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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2019 17:28:36 GMT
I have to say he does look a bit clueless, we made Bamford look like Mario Kempes and they could easily have doubled their score. We were promised an athletic and vibrant attacking side, this rabble look anything other than. Carter Vickers looks a disgrace with his lack of condition.. Seriously worried where this will end..Thought Collins did really well and wasn't phased..
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2019 17:34:27 GMT
Go back to his 4-4-2 diamond, it created chances, and keep working on it.
The big worry is I can't see a midfield combo that could work.
Powell
AteboWoods
Clucas
maybe the above but I'm struggling, I'm guessing Ndiaye is a no go
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2019 17:36:23 GMT
I have to say he does look a bit clueless, we made Bamford look like Mario Kempes and they could easily have doubled their score. We were promised an athletic and vibrant attacking side, this rabble look anything other than. Carter Vickers looks a disgrace with his lack of condition.. Seriously worried where this will end..Thought Collins did really well and wasn't phased.. I thought Collins looked a liability.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 24, 2019 17:44:51 GMT
4-2-3-1 is all we can do, and with a new manager.
Butland
Smith Baath Collins Ward
Woods Etebo
Ince. Powell Gregory
Hogan
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2019 17:47:31 GMT
4-2-3-1 is all we can do, and with a new manager. Butland Smith Baath Collins Ward Woods Etebo Ince. Powell Gregory Hogan I don't think Hogan could do the loan job up front tbh.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2019 17:48:41 GMT
Rip it up and start again. If that means getting in a prehistoric red adair (not Pulis) figure to keep us up on a big one year bonus so be it.
Then have a root and branch review of the club and a two year project to get us up.
It can't carry on. This lad is completely out of his depth.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Aug 24, 2019 17:52:02 GMT
The team selection today was that of a desperate man hoping for a nil nil. The Coates family have massively fucked up with his appointment and need to deal with it now. He has to go, the job and the expectations are too big for him to handle.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 24, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games.
Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go.
Lambert was even worse.
Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters.
And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky.
There won't be any money next season to do it.
At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option.
I think he can turn things around..
Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2019 18:00:41 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games. Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go. Lambert was even worse. Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters. And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky. There won't be any money next season to do it. At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option. I think he can turn things around.. Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom. Rowett was kicked out because he spunked £50m up the wall on players he didn’t know what to do with.
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 24, 2019 18:05:12 GMT
I thought Collins looked like an example of what we were told to expect - a young, raw, exciting, mobile side which would develop into something 'we could be proud of'...
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 24, 2019 18:06:04 GMT
I just don't know either. I really did think Jones was the right man because I thought he would be smart enough to deploy other systems if he could see the diamond was failing. But he (or Scholes?) recruited poorly over the summer. Instead of Bielik for DM, Justin or Rico Henry for LB and Dwight Gayle, we got Jordan bastard Cousins, shoehorned McClean into a LB position he tries to do but not very well and Scott Hogan (a half-season wonder who feeds on service he'll never get from our players). He's a great guy and I'd be genuinely sad if we let him go. If we do, I hope to God he doesn't sign a non-disclosure agreement so we can find out the truth of why it went tits up. He is bound to to get a pay off from his remaining contract. No business would dream of letting a "disgruntled" / "Disaffected" employee leave and permit him to run to the press for "his story". Rowett and Lambert and Hughes will all have signed agreements to keep schtum to get their pay-off.
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Post by tuum on Aug 24, 2019 18:08:11 GMT
The root cause is in the Boardroom. Nepotism (Coates handing the club to Coates, as if he's running a family bakery) and boys-club stuff, in critical positions where we need real expertise, contacts and experience. .... This means our managers are getting chosen for being pliable - Lambert and Jones - rather than the best we can get. (I think Rowett came on the promise of the big budget). ... Subsequently, Jones - like Lambert - was useless. Absolutely nothing wrong with Coates handing over to his son.It is their money - the son's more so than his father's. I don't think they choose their managers for pliability but I am not party to their conversations so it is just my opinion.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 24, 2019 18:08:32 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games. Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go. Lambert was even worse. Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters. And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky. There won't be any money next season to do it. At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option. I think he can turn things around.. Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom. Rowett’s mouth cost him the dressing room, which in turn cost him his job. History seems to be repeating itself.
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Post by tuum on Aug 24, 2019 18:11:03 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games. Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go. Lambert was even worse. Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters. And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky. There won't be any money next season to do it. At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option. I think he can turn things around.. Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom. Rowett was kicked out because he spunked £50m up the wall on players he didn’t know what to do with. You may be right but the straw that broke the camel's back for Rowett was when he turned on the fans in his post match comments especially w.r.to Bojan.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 24, 2019 18:11:35 GMT
If he does get the boot, that would the FIVE (count them - FIVE) previous managers presently unemployed.
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 24, 2019 18:12:50 GMT
If he does get the boot, that would the FIVE (count them - FIVE) previous managers presently unemployed. Christ, that is frightening...
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 24, 2019 18:14:59 GMT
What's Mick Harford up to these days?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 24, 2019 18:18:23 GMT
What's Mick Harford up to these days? Perhaps we could do a managerial exchange? 😜
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Post by robboleek on Aug 24, 2019 18:20:01 GMT
4 months If we keep conceding goals like this we’ll be relegated in 4 months! This can’t go on, I think he has to go now. No we won't. Mathematically basically impossible. We've had 2 poor performances after 2 good ones. 'This can't go on', it's 2 bad performances. Is conceding 13 goals in 5 league games acceptable ? At any level ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 18:22:05 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games. Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go. Lambert was even worse. Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters. And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky. There won't be any money next season to do it. At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option. I think he can turn things around.. Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom. Rowett’s mouth cost him the dressing room, which in turn cost him his job. History seems to be repeating itself. Yeah what was that about in his interview about if anyone was annoyed they were dropped they can speak to him? Defensive or what. I wouldnt blame the dressing room. The mans a babbling buffoon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 18:23:01 GMT
The root cause is in the Boardroom. Nepotism (Coates handing the club to Coates, as if he's running a family bakery) and boys-club stuff, in critical positions where we need real expertise, contacts and experience. .... This means our managers are getting chosen for being pliable - Lambert and Jones - rather than the best we can get. (I think Rowett came on the promise of the big budget). ... Subsequently, Jones - like Lambert - was useless. Absolutely nothing wrong with Coates handing over to his son.It is their money - the son's more so than his father's. I don't think they choose their managers for pliability but I am not party to their conversations so it is just my opinion. I don’t think they are being picked for pliability. I think they’ve genuinely thought they were good ideas. Which is even more worrying.
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 18:29:53 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games. Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go. Lambert was even worse. Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters. And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky. There won't be any money next season to do it. At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option. I think he can turn things around.. Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom. Massive gamble to keep him now, our owners know all about odds and the odds of jones turning this around now are not good, I think it’s time we wake up to reality, 4 wins in 26 games! 13 goals conceded in 5 games, 4 losses. I don’t think I’ve ever known a manager to turn such a bad run around we need someone to come in now and halt the free fall we’re in before it’s too late.
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Post by shipshape on Aug 24, 2019 18:29:57 GMT
Get some of the people who clearly run bet365 well into the club to sort it out top to bottom. We need to move into the 21st century.
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Post by dave1 on Aug 24, 2019 18:34:30 GMT
As much as I would love to see TP back in the dug out (I'm one of his biggest fans- see all of my previous posts) I think that we have to stick with NJ.
We wont get any where if we keep sacking managers (i know that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere now) but we will do given time.
Have faith, yes its shite currently but i believe that we will come good
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 24, 2019 18:36:53 GMT
I know this will be extremely unpopular but I think we should give Nathan 10 games. Bringing in another manager is absolutely no guarantee of success..as I remember telling somebody when he was howling for Hughes to go. Lambert was even worse. Rowett was kicked out too soon due to his mouth and unrealistic expectations from supporters. And any talk about 'projects' to get us promoted within 2 years is pie in the sky. There won't be any money next season to do it. At the moment I sincerely believe that Jones is the least worse option. I think he can turn things around.. Although that was said about Captain Smith on The Titanic,as it turned round and round on it's way to the bottom. Massive gamble to keep him now, our owners know all about odds and the odds of jones turning this around now are not good, I think it’s time we wake up to reality, 4 wins in 26 games! 13 goals conceded in 5 games, 4 losses. I don’t think I’ve ever known a manager to turn such a bad run around we need someone to come in now and halt the free fall we’re in before it’s too late. Yes you're probably right, but who on earth, whose any good would come to Stoke given the mess we're in? That's what worries me as much as keeping Jones. Who would come here?
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 24, 2019 18:37:50 GMT
I thought Collins looked like an example of what we were told to expect - a young, raw, exciting, mobile side which would develop into something 'we could be proud of'... One young raw player who has had very little game time has looked in his few minutes on the pitch more likely to score than most is Campbell? Why not give him game time instead of rolling out last games failures in the hope things have changed. 5 goals pre-season very little game time since.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 18:40:59 GMT
As much as I would love to see TP back in the dug out (I'm one of his biggest fans- see all of my previous posts) I think that we have to stick with NJ. We wont get any where if we keep sacking managers (i know that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere now) but we will do given time. Have faith, yes its shite currently but i believe that we will come good On what basis do you think that though. I’m not having a go. I’m genuinely curious. For me, there’s no evidence to suggest he has a clue what he’s doing? He looks like he’s started taking monkey dust as well - it’s clearly taking its toll and he doesn’t even sound like he knows. I am genuinely baffled as to how anyone has any faith in him being able to turn this around.
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Post by rawli on Aug 24, 2019 18:41:05 GMT
Jones has tried to run before he could walk, he should have come in and signed players to play a traditional 442 for a season or two and made us competitive and hard to beat, then maybe once he’d laid the ground work looked at progressing into something more expansive.. Don’t like to blow my own (not with my bad back) but I was a jones skeptic from day 1, his inexperience always worried me, I felt we needed an older head, someone used to the pressure at this level. Other clubs are able to get inexperienced managers and it works.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 24, 2019 18:46:24 GMT
Wait. See how the next 4 months at least go. 4 months If we keep conceding goals like this we’ll be relegated in 4 months! This can’t go on, I think he has to go now. Unfortunately that is the risk we take. Chopping and changing with our selection process would probably see Coates Jr. and Teflon Tone approach John Askey. Jones should be given to Christmas and by then we will have either climbed out of the bottom 3 or we will be beyond redemption. I said that he would either have us sorted by then or it would be a giant clusterf***. I admit it looks like being the latter, but I think it’s been coming for at least 3 years. You would have to be desperate to want to manage Stoke under the current set up.
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Post by dave1 on Aug 24, 2019 18:51:42 GMT
As much as I would love to see TP back in the dug out (I'm one of his biggest fans- see all of my previous posts) I think that we have to stick with NJ. We wont get any where if we keep sacking managers (i know that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere now) but we will do given time. Have faith, yes its shite currently but i believe that we will come good On what basis do you think that though. I’m not having a go. I’m genuinely curious. For me, there’s no evidence to suggest he has a clue what he’s doing? He looks like he’s started taking monkey dust as well - it’s clearly taking its toll and he doesn’t even sound like he knows. I am genuinely baffled as to how anyone has any faith in him being able to turn this around. The honest is I dont know, but what is the point of keep sacking managers. Whose to say that he wont come good (like I say appreciate that it is shite now). Football fans are far to fickle. Our club has been run badly since TP left and sadly this is the consequence. Two other things that wind me up: Whose to say that any of the names would be interested in joining Stoke- we're not very attractive I used to come on here on the wind up saying get TP back (again- see previous posts). I used to get loads of abuse (didn't/doesn't bother me in the slightest) but look now after a few bad results everyone is on the band wagon.
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