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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 24, 2019 16:02:00 GMT
I have not got a clue so am genuinely asking for plausible solutions.
The past two games have finally killed any positive feeling for Jones just a week after a Derby game where he won a bit of it back.
But really if we sack Jones, what next?
We still have a squad of players not that managers signings, a squad very very much down on confidence.
For some reason this feels different to past seasons. You can understand and see solutions for all other sackings but this one if it happens will be huge huge point in our short to long term future (next 5 years)
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 24, 2019 16:05:40 GMT
I have not got a clue so am genuinely asking for plausible solutions. The past two games have finally killed any positive feeling for Jones just a week after a Derby game where he won a bit of it back. But really if we sack Jones, what next? We still have a squad of players not that managers signings, a squad very very much down on confidence. For some reason this feels different to past seasons. You can understand and see solutions for all other sackings but this won if it happens will be huge huge point in our short to long term future (next 5 years) Absolutely no idea. Just have to hope we can scramble a win soon. Today’s selection has just made the situation so much harder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:06:08 GMT
Wait. See how the next 4 months at least go.
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Post by hamsta2 on Aug 24, 2019 16:09:29 GMT
Keep on supporting the team no matter what. Other than that not a clue.
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 16:11:17 GMT
Wait. See how the next 4 months at least go. 4 months If we keep conceding goals like this we’ll be relegated in 4 months! This can’t go on, I think he has to go now.
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Post by liamo on Aug 24, 2019 16:13:37 GMT
Get rid of anyone responsible for bringing in this current crop of players
When we got relegated we had enough experience, what we really needed was young hungry fast players and a manager with the balls to do something
What we got was Gary rowett and James McClean
That's not even a dig at McClean, sadly he's been one of our best players this season, I just wouldn't say he's the type of player we needed
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 24, 2019 16:14:24 GMT
NJ may well do a Luton again with another club where he builds it from scratch at a lower level but it hasn't worked at Championship level in an already troubled football club.
IMHO we need to secure a hard-nosed, proven manager with a track record at this level.
He also needs to be able to work with a less than cohesive bunch of players.
Is Chris Hughton that guy...? I honestly don't know.
We can't afford another experimental project, although the intention was good...
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 16:14:28 GMT
Here's what we have to do.
1. Get rid of Scholes. That will facilitate: 2. Appoint Pulis
I hate myself for saying it. I don't really want him back. However I can't see who else could sort of this sh*tshow now.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2019 16:15:10 GMT
Get Charlie and Crouchie back - management dream team ......
They could do no worse.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 24, 2019 16:15:24 GMT
I would give him 3 or 4 more games. We wont be relegated in that space of time. it really is last chance saloon for him now though.
The manager and players are feeling the pressure, but maybe if we scrap a couple of wins then he could still turn it around
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:15:35 GMT
Go with 4-4-2
Butland (Federici did well today)
Edwards Collins Vickers Smith
Ince Etebo Sorenson Verlinden
Gregory Campbell
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Post by harlequin on Aug 24, 2019 16:15:44 GMT
Is it stupid to suggest contracting in some competent ex-managers/directors and have them assess problems at the club? Scouting/tactics/player interviews to see if there are any quick fixes.
They did bring Rafa in a while back to help with attacking training, so there is some precedent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:17:42 GMT
Wait. See how the next 4 months at least go. 4 months If we keep conceding goals like this we’ll be relegated in 4 months! This can’t go on, I think he has to go now. No we won't. Mathematically basically impossible. We've had 2 poor performances after 2 good ones. 'This can't go on', it's 2 bad performances.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 24, 2019 16:22:09 GMT
Here's what we have to do. 1. Get rid of Scholes. That will facilitate: 2. Appoint Pulis I hate myself for saying it. I don't really want him back. However I can't see who else could sort of this sh*tshow now. Pulis would be divisive as ever but surely we'll have to bite the bullet eventually and deal with the short term rather than faith in long term
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 16:22:53 GMT
4 months If we keep conceding goals like this we’ll be relegated in 4 months! This can’t go on, I think he has to go now. No we won't. Mathematically basically impossible. We've had 2 poor performances after 2 good ones. 'This can't go on', it's 2 bad performances. It's bottom of the league. It's 1 point from 15. That's what it is, and that's why we have to get rid. We have regressed steadily but rapidly since he took over, and that was from a position of having already regressed rapidly the previous two years.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 24, 2019 16:24:37 GMT
Cross our fingers and hope for the fucking best. I think we need to get rid of Jones tonight, I don’t think he knows what to do at all.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2019 16:25:14 GMT
4 months If we keep conceding goals like this we’ll be relegated in 4 months! This can’t go on, I think he has to go now. No we won't. Mathematically basically impossible. We've had 2 poor performances after 2 good ones. 'This can't go on', it's 2 bad performances. It’s not two bad performances though is it. We’ve been shit under 90% of Jones’s tenure. What’s that stat now, 18 wins in the last 81 league games?
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 16:26:10 GMT
No we won't. Mathematically basically impossible. We've had 2 poor performances after 2 good ones. 'This can't go on', it's 2 bad performances. It’s not two bad performances though is it. We’ve been shit under 90% of Jones’s tenure. What’s that stat now, 18 wins in the last 81 league games? I think it's actually 88.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:26:11 GMT
I really want jones to succeed. For me he’s a likeable bloke and I love his passion. However that was disgraceful. He promised a team we can be proud of. He promised a team full of athleticism and power and youth. However this is now a real embarrassment. 4m on a right back when every man and his dog knew we needed a left back. Jordan fucking cousins in midfield. 1 up front at home. No width, no pace, no power just nothing.
How embarrassing for them senior pros when a 18 year old has to captain you! That’s how bad it’s got.
In answer to the question what do we do.... I honestly have no idea
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:26:35 GMT
No improvement in the next 3 games and he needs sacking. Bring in Pearson til the end of the season and then reassess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:26:44 GMT
No we won't. Mathematically basically impossible. We've had 2 poor performances after 2 good ones. 'This can't go on', it's 2 bad performances. It's bottom of the league. It's 1 point from 15. That's what it is, and that's why we have to get rid. We have regressed steadily but rapidly since he took over, and that was from a position of having already regressed rapidly the previous two years. I disagree.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 16:28:06 GMT
It's bottom of the league. It's 1 point from 15. That's what it is, and that's why we have to get rid. We have regressed steadily but rapidly since he took over, and that was from a position of having already regressed rapidly the previous two years. I disagree. The facts are there. Someone proved it with stats not many weeks ago. We were worse last season after he took over than before. Not by a massive margin, but that doesn't matter. This season obviously we have fallen off a cliff.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2019 16:28:23 GMT
No improvement in the next 3 games and he needs sacking. Bring in Pearson til the end of the season and then reassess. No no no - that's it hes had his chances. The axe needs to fall and some.decisive action taken TONIGHT
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 24, 2019 16:28:59 GMT
Sack jones and get hughton. Presto
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:30:33 GMT
Sack him because he has lost the team He's talking out of his arse
He isnt working. He talks the talk but his system doesn't work.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 24, 2019 16:31:28 GMT
We need to bring in an experienced pragmatist to steady things, although we look doomed.
I think we really need to look at the management of the club as a whole. We are backward thinking, really poor at all levels including commercially.
The manager has to go but so should the chief exec
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 16:31:53 GMT
Ive been advocating giving him time but I think he has to go now, even when we play well we’re losing, he doesn’t know how to fix the defensive frailties and his signings look bog standard at best.
This season will get away from us if we don’t act now.
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Post by sealion100 on Aug 24, 2019 16:39:08 GMT
Next league game is brum ... put 10 men behind the ball and try and nick a goal in the last 10 mins with three attacking subs ... I know this isn’t sexy but it’s what any manager would do (except Jones)
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 24, 2019 16:40:54 GMT
He needs to try 4231 and play ince duffy & verlinden as a 3, even ince, duffy & powell.
We need our best players on the pitch and them players are not butland & allen. Federici looked decent today.
Duffy needs people around him so he can work his magic, he was isolated today, no width, we were never going to score in a million years.
Ndiaye playing with etebo in DM would make a big difference. The piece of shit ought to be ashamed of himself if he cant step up
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 16:42:40 GMT
What do we do?
Scrap the process and bring back Pulis.
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