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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 23, 2019 20:00:51 GMT
When is the council in next with Scholes and company?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 20:11:15 GMT
Tomorrow...via conference call. He is reachable during his holiday you know!  |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 23, 2019 20:35:45 GMT
When is the council in next with Scholes and company? Before the Bristol City game on the 14th Sept apparently |
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Post by theoptimist on Aug 23, 2019 20:52:18 GMT
Shouldn't the members of the council be actual spectators?
The chair sits in the press seats, which I assume you don't actually pay for! - 'working' not spectating?
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 23, 2019 20:57:40 GMT
Shouldn't the members of the council be actual spectators? The chair sits in the press seats, which I assume you don't actually pay for! - 'working' not spectating? And shouldn't the issues be pressing and critical? To push improvement, on important issues not simply discussion? Our club my arse |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 23, 2019 21:58:14 GMT
Shouldn't the members of the council be actual spectators? The chair sits in the press seats, which I assume you don't actually pay for! - 'working' not spectating? And shouldn't the issues be pressing and critical? To push improvement, on important issues not simply discussion? Our club my arse I'm not massively convinced they really have our interests at heart, issues are never really pressed. I've been fobbed off a few times by certain members of the council. Seem like a bunch of self serving arseholes to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 21:59:41 GMT
And shouldn't the issues be pressing and critical? To push improvement, on important issues not simply discussion? Our club my arse I'm not massively convinced they really have our interests at heart, issues are never really pressed. I've been fobbed off a few times by certain members of the council. Seem like a bunch of self serving arseholes to me. I’m sure many of them try their best but I imagine most hthinfs fall on the deaf ears of our powers that be |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 23, 2019 22:02:24 GMT
I'm not massively convinced they really have our interests at heart, issues are never really pressed. I've been fobbed off a few times by certain members of the council. Seem like a bunch of self serving arseholes to me. I’m sure many of them try their best but I imagine most hthinfs fall on the deaf ears of our powers that be You may be right, but the members I've dealt with have been a waste of time. |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 23, 2019 22:24:36 GMT
After what has come out over the past month or two regarding tickets and hygiene, the whole council should resign.
I really don't know why they waste their time. Embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 22:25:48 GMT
After what has come out over the past month or two regarding tickets and hygiene, the whole council should resign. I really don't know why they waste their time. Embarrassing. What do you want them to do? Start cleaning the kitchens? |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 23, 2019 22:29:46 GMT
After what has come out over the past month or two regarding tickets and hygiene, the whole council should resign. I really don't know why they waste their time. Embarrassing. What do you want them to do? Start cleaning the kitchens? No. It's clear the club are taking the piss out of the whole council thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 22:32:29 GMT
The Council have no power at all. We, and the Council know that. They are there to channel supporters views to the club.
If the club wave two fingers at the Council - blame the club, not the Council.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 23, 2019 22:34:20 GMT
The Council have no power at all. We, and the Council know that. They are there to channel supporters views to the club. If the club wave two fingers at the Council - blame the club, not the Council. I am. I question why anyone would want to be part of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 22:36:32 GMT
The Council have no power at all. We, and the Council know that. They are there to channel supporters views to the club. If the club wave two fingers at the Council - blame the club, not the Council. I am. I question why anyone would want to be part of it. Well I wouldn't be part of it, I lack their commitment and dedication. I am just grateful that someone does do it. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 23:50:48 GMT
SC - "Tony, we're very upset we weren't consulted on the new service and delivery charges on tickets bought remotely"
TS "Yes well, they're implemented now so tough fucking titty'
SC "OK, thanks Tony, it's great to have this dialogue right into the heart of the club and be part of the process'
TS "Yes I'm glad too"
SC "Thanks Tony"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 0:11:47 GMT
SC - "Tony, we're very upset we weren't consulted on the new service and delivery charges on tickets bought remotely" TS "Yes well, they're implemented now so tough fucking titty' SC "OK, thanks Tony, it's great to have this dialogue right into the heart of the club and be part of the process' TS "Yes I'm glad too" SC "Thanks Tony" Yes ok, I appreciate the humour in that post but .....
What it shows is that the club is shit. The SC highlight these things.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 24, 2019 0:13:47 GMT
The Council have no power at all. We, and the Council know that. They are there to channel supporters views to the club. If the club wave two fingers at the Council - blame the club, not the Council. I am. I question why anyone would want to be part of it. Not without public detailed agenda/minutes, actions by who and by when. The absolute basics of any consultative group No accountability!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 0:16:55 GMT
I am. I question why anyone would want to be part of it. Not without public detailed agenda/minutes, actions by who and by when. The absolute basics of any consultative group No accountability!!! You have lost me here mate.
The SC do publish minutes don't they?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 24, 2019 0:22:14 GMT
Not without public detailed agenda/minutes, actions by who and by when. The absolute basics of any consultative group No accountability!!! You have lost me here mate.
The SC do publish minutes don't they?
Yes they do. Do the minutes include actions by who, by when? No they don’t. There’s no accountability for measured progress or definitive answers why a particular issue cannot be resolved or partly resolved to the satisfaction of the group |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 0:28:01 GMT
You have lost me here mate.
The SC do publish minutes don't they?
Yes they do. Do the minutes include actions by who, by when? No they don’t. There’s no accountability for measured progress or definitive answers why a particular issue cannot be resolved or partly resolved to the satisfaction of the group I'm still struggling to follow what you mean.
When you say "Actions by who, by when". What do you mean?
The SC is merely a channel of communication between the fans and the club. The SC can only raise concerns about issues that fans have. They have no power at all to ensure that their concerns are dealt with, by the club.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 24, 2019 0:49:03 GMT
Yes they do. Do the minutes include actions by who, by when? No they don’t. There’s no accountability for measured progress or definitive answers why a particular issue cannot be resolved or partly resolved to the satisfaction of the group I'm still struggling to follow what you mean.
When you say "Actions by who, by when". What do you mean?
The SC is merely a channel of communication between the fans and the club. The SC can only raise concerns about issues that fans have. They have no power at all to ensure that their concerns are dealt with, by the club.
The key words are “communication” or “consultative”. If it is purely a means for communication then it’s not fit for purpose and should be disbanded as its irrelevant.If used for the purpose of communication only then there are existing means of communication. The clubs web site, the Sentinel, BBC Radio Stoke or personal emails to the club etc. If used for consultation there needs to be a published Terms of Reference (TOR) which outlines accountability for progress or closure of a particular issue raised by either the club or Council members. At this moment in time it’s neither, someone should make their minds up whether it’s a communication or consultative group and act accordingly Hope that helps |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 1:07:41 GMT
I'm still struggling to follow what you mean.
When you say "Actions by who, by when". What do you mean?
The SC is merely a channel of communication between the fans and the club. The SC can only raise concerns about issues that fans have. They have no power at all to ensure that their concerns are dealt with, by the club.
The key words are “communication” or “consultative”. If it is purely a means for communication then it’s not fit for purpose and should be disbanded as its irrelevant.Well I am very sorry that you feel as you do.
I am sure that it is extremely important that there is a formal channel of communication between the fans and the club.
I am also sure that members of the SC dedicate a lot of their time to the "cause", and are often frustrated. But that isn't the point though is it? They keep banging away, hoping that the club will eventually listen to them.
Our club is most certainly in a very bad state at the moment, but if the club ever reached the point that they say FO to the Supporters Council - that is when we really need to worry.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 24, 2019 1:09:11 GMT
Yes they do. Do the minutes include actions by who, by when? No they don’t. There’s no accountability for measured progress or definitive answers why a particular issue cannot be resolved or partly resolved to the satisfaction of the group I'm still struggling to follow what you mean.
When you say "Actions by who, by when". What do you mean?
The SC is merely a channel of communication between the fans and the club. The SC can only raise concerns about issues that fans have. They have no power at all to ensure that their concerns are dealt with, by the club.
Just found a TOR on the official club site by searching google for Stoke City Supporter Council. You would find the content to be no more than.......hogwash!! or meaningless statements You will see the description of the Council as being “consultative” |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 1:15:44 GMT
I'm still struggling to follow what you mean.
When you say "Actions by who, by when". What do you mean?
The SC is merely a channel of communication between the fans and the club. The SC can only raise concerns about issues that fans have. They have no power at all to ensure that their concerns are dealt with, by the club.
Just found a TOR on the official club site by searching google for Stoke City Supporter Council. You would find the content to be no more than.......hogwash!! or meaningless statements You will see the description of the Council as being “consultative” Well of course it is "consultative". This isn't a trade union holding bargaining power! It is about communication.
FFS I give up.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 24, 2019 2:53:06 GMT
I'm still struggling to follow what you mean.
When you say "Actions by who, by when". What do you mean?
The SC is merely a channel of communication between the fans and the club. The SC can only raise concerns about issues that fans have. They have no power at all to ensure that their concerns are dealt with, by the club.
The key words are “communication” or “consultative”. If it is purely a means for communication then it’s not fit for purpose and should be disbanded as its irrelevant.If used for the purpose of communication only then there are existing means of communication. The clubs web site, the Sentinel, BBC Radio Stoke or personal emails to the club etc. If used for consultation there needs to be a published Terms of Reference (TOR) which outlines accountability for progress or closure of a particular issue raised by either the club or Council members. At this moment in time it’s neither, someone should make their minds up whether it’s a communication or consultative group and act accordingly Hope that helps So in terms of communication between fans and club, you think regular, formal meetings are redundant and unnecessary because Stoke have a club website and an email address to write to? You think those formats are roughly equivalent? |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 24, 2019 3:16:48 GMT
SC - "Tony, we're very upset we weren't consulted on the new service and delivery charges on tickets bought remotely" TS "Yes well, they're implemented now so tough fucking titty' SC "OK, thanks Tony, it's great to have this dialogue right into the heart of the club and be part of the process' TS "Yes I'm glad too" SC "Thanks Tony" What do you think is the best thing an individual can do about this situation momo? For fun here are some options...  A) get involved with the SC and try to change things B) form an independent supporters’ group which refuses to communicate with club piss-takers but applies pressure in other ways C) do nothing, meekly accept that this is our lot as supporters and just moan about it on the Oatcake D) other (please state) |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 24, 2019 11:09:30 GMT
SC - "Tony, we're very upset we weren't consulted on the new service and delivery charges on tickets bought remotely" TS "Yes well, they're implemented now so tough fucking titty' SC "OK, thanks Tony, it's great to have this dialogue right into the heart of the club and be part of the process' TS "Yes I'm glad too" SC "Thanks Tony" What do you think is the best thing an individual can do about this situation momo? For fun here are some options... A) get involved with the SC and try to change things B) form an independent supporters’ group which refuses to communicate with club piss-takers but applies pressure in other ways C) do nothing, meekly accept that this is our lot as supporters and just moan about it on the Oatcake D) other (please state) Not that you were asking me, but I would try to identify and speak to a couple of clubs where the supporter voice is genuinely listened to. And see what we might learn. And my first port of call would be Malcolm Clarke. I think his lot are a slightly different beast, but I imagine he has a clue. Of course football clubs are not democracies. In some case they are dictatorships. And in any case, you only have to skim this Board to see how difficult it is to build consensus. Virtually impossible. And of course there is consultation. And then there is consultation. For example, when the current Mrs Str8 wants my opinion, she gives it to me. However, a teeny weeny bit of transparency would be progress. Apologies for butting in, Mr Potter Logic. |
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 24, 2019 11:24:58 GMT
They seemingly are about as relevant as the UN these- days
toothless, ineffective, impotent and pretty pointless really.
a bit like a 'Nigel Johnson post match interview' - type of an organisation
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Post by werrington on Aug 24, 2019 11:37:06 GMT
The Council have no power at all. We, and the Council know that. They are there to channel supporters views to the club. If the club wave two fingers at the Council - blame the club, not the Council. Spirit of shankley, the Liverpool supporters group are very influential and are listened to by the club....why? Because they stick together and don’t accept any shit, which is a bit like fans of Stoke and Stoke people in general A supporters group is only as strong as its support....no offence mate but you’re statement above tells the club it can do what it wants |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 15:11:15 GMT
The Council have no power at all. We, and the Council know that. They are there to channel supporters views to the club. If the club wave two fingers at the Council - blame the club, not the Council. Spirit of shankley, the Liverpool supporters group are very influential and are listened to by the club....why? Because they stick together and don’t accept any shit, which is a bit like fans of Stoke and Stoke people in general A supporters group is only as strong as its support....no offence mate but you’re statement above tells the club it can do what it wants SCFC has never given the fans any consideration. How would you change that? |
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