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Post by Goonie on Aug 24, 2019 8:58:17 GMT
With what we now know. We asked for attractive football. There not progression. There are positive changes under Jones. Relegation season we lost 19 matches. Last season we drew 22 games . This season yes 1 point from a possible 12. Signs of the attacking style we shouted for. Little point in going over the now known factors. We've lost talent in favour of putting a squad together with the right ability, physicality and mentality for the championship. Fitting in with FFP rules. I travel to matches. It costs money. Turn up or not. Was pass the ball to shaqiri a good long term style of play? I just feel he had the 6 months lead time of knowing who the bad eggs were and getting rid. The other two even after 6 months still persist with Allen and Butland. Both needed to be sold, the attitude is all wrong in the championship, they think they are better than they are and it's killing the team. To me Butland is like Hart, finished at the top level, his head has gone and you don't get that back. The first signing I would of made as a manager would've been a sports psycholgist
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 24, 2019 9:08:34 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go. I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc. If our woes are down to bad managerial decisions then that's a result of not pushing out the boat for an established next level manager when we had the chance, instead we went for cheap options, managers who were desperate for the chance. (Hughes, lambert) Why is it that a multi million pound business in the top flight of English football where hundreds of millions of pounds are at stake do you willingly opt for a cheap manager to make the decisions? I think I know the answer, yes, because no one of higher profile would be willing to work under laurel & hardy & the 'policy'. Even hughes said 'who else would do it?!' When we had massive revenue Why else would we go for managers that are damaged goods instead of going the extra mile for an established next level man to make the multi million pound decisions? from a great position Stoke bring in mark hughes, fresh from destroying qpr? Why? This is why we currently sit bottom of division 2
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Post by Goonie on Aug 24, 2019 9:14:53 GMT
The commonalities with us and the relegated Leeds (2003-4) team are staggering: managerial changes, huge wage bill for players nobody wants, crowd discontent, players with no morale and they're only kicking on now
Be prepared for a long, long return folks
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2019 10:09:13 GMT
The commonalities with us and the relegated Leeds (2003-4) team are staggering: managerial changes, huge wage bill for players nobody wants, crowd discontent, players with no morale and they're only kicking on now Be prepared for a long, long return folks Leeds were financially jiggered though.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 24, 2019 10:59:16 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go. I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc. If our woes are down to bad managerial decisions then that's a result of not pushing out the boat for an established next level manager when we had the chance, instead we went for cheap options, managers who were desperate for the chance. (Hughes, lambert) Why is it that a multi million pound business in the top flight of English football where hundreds of millions of pounds are at stake do you willingly opt for a cheap manager to make the decisions? I think I know the answer, yes, because no one of higher profile would be willing to work under laurel & hardy & the 'policy'. Even hughes said 'who else would do it?!' When we had massive revenue Why else would we go for managers that are damaged goods instead of going the extra mile for an established next level man to make the multi million pound decisions? from a great position Stoke bring in mark hughes, fresh from destroying qpr? Why? This is why we currently sit bottom of division 2 Couldn’t agree more - the top level management team has chosen badly - but in each case (apart from Lambert - who I thought was ok) you could see where they were coming from. Having said that they have backed the managers sufficiently for them to prove their worth if they have any. Rowett disappointed and Jones is in the process of disappointing.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 24, 2019 11:41:08 GMT
The commonalities with us and the relegated Leeds (2003-4) team are staggering: managerial changes, huge wage bill for players nobody wants, crowd discontent, players with no morale and they're only kicking on now Be prepared for a long, long return folks Leeds were financially jiggered though. As we would be without Saint Peter's pocket money! 😁
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Post by stokeson on Aug 24, 2019 11:47:36 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go. I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc. If our woes are down to bad managerial decisions then that's a result of not pushing out the boat for an established next level manager when we had the chance, instead we went for cheap options, managers who were desperate for the chance. (Hughes, lambert) Why is it that a multi million pound business in the top flight of English football where hundreds of millions of pounds are at stake do you willingly opt for a cheap manager to make the decisions? I think I know the answer, yes, because no one of higher profile would be willing to work under laurel & hardy & the 'policy'. Even hughes said 'who else would do it?!' When we had massive revenue Why else would we go for managers that are damaged goods instead of going the extra mile for an established next level man to make the multi million pound decisions? from a great position Stoke bring in mark hughes, fresh from destroying qpr? Why? This is why we currently sit bottom of division 2 "Now we sit bottom of div2." Has this post been sent back from the future Terminator style. Where is "Sarah." when we need her?
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 24, 2019 12:25:40 GMT
I’m hoping my gast is well and truly flabbered at 4.45...
It could be for several reasons 😆
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 24, 2019 12:28:01 GMT
If our woes are down to bad managerial decisions then that's a result of not pushing out the boat for an established next level manager when we had the chance, instead we went for cheap options, managers who were desperate for the chance. (Hughes, lambert) Why is it that a multi million pound business in the top flight of English football where hundreds of millions of pounds are at stake do you willingly opt for a cheap manager to make the decisions? I think I know the answer, yes, because no one of higher profile would be willing to work under laurel & hardy & the 'policy'. Even hughes said 'who else would do it?!' When we had massive revenue Why else would we go for managers that are damaged goods instead of going the extra mile for an established next level man to make the multi million pound decisions? from a great position Stoke bring in mark hughes, fresh from destroying qpr? Why? This is why we currently sit bottom of division 2 "Now we sit bottom of div2." Has this post been sent back from the future Terminator style. Where is "Sarah." when we need her? If you’re suggesting NJ is a T-6000 (or earlier model) I’d suggest his tactics chip is fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 13:01:52 GMT
Have things regressed to the point where we’re looking all doe-eyed at Paul Lambert? The bloke looked about as comfortable here as an Amish bloke in Maplins. Indeed but that Amish man knew he needed a telephone so went to Maplins. The guy we have now is still trying to make one from 2 paper cups and a piece of string.
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