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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 14:57:49 GMT
Bit of a slow day at work so I thought I'd do some digging on Wikipedia. Here goes:
Every game, league and cup, from the first leg onwards (upto and including Preston): P 159 W 41 D 51 L 67
Just the league games: P 144 W 35 D 50 L 59
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 14:59:21 GMT
I can only assume you work at the Samaritans and are trying to increase your call rate...
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 15:03:52 GMT
I can only assume you work at the Samaritans and are trying to increase your call rate... Sod that, I plan on leaving within the hour mate
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 23, 2019 15:08:13 GMT
I'm amazed that weve roughly won 1 in 4 it feels much worse than that :/
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 23, 2019 15:08:56 GMT
Didn't think we won that many to be fair
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 15:10:20 GMT
18 in the last 88 league games so we're getting worse.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2019 15:13:05 GMT
Loving the new profile picture and bio Voidy
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 23, 2019 15:30:28 GMT
I can only assume you work at the Samaritans and are trying to increase your call rate... Sod that, I plan on leaving within the hour mate Work or this mortal coil?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 15:32:31 GMT
I also reckon you can split the Hughes Era into three distinct periods: Tentative Hughes - the first few months post-Pulis as we learned to actually pass the ball to other players in a Stoke shirt. This saw a bit of a mixed bag results-wise as we went from nearly getting a score draw at Anfield to a Sunday shocker at home to Norwich. In one week in December we went from drawing with Cardiff to beating Chelsea. Good Hughes- the period from January 2014 when we signed Peter Odemwingie and performances and results improved, such as the 4-1 win at Villa Park. This carried over into the following season (despite the usual slow start) and culminated in successive end of season thrashings of Liverpool and Spurs, and carried on pretty much up to the Cup semis against Liverpool, featuring the festive wins over Citeh, The Shit and Everton. Players such as Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri were brought in. Good Hughes lasted for two years apart from the odd blip Bad Hughes- basically everything from the League Cup semi to the FA Cup humbling at Coventry when Hughes had some kind of footballing breakdown and three- and four-goal defeats became as regular as clockwork.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 15:33:26 GMT
18 in the last 88 league games so we're getting worse. Yeah that is worrying
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 15:34:12 GMT
Sod that, I plan on leaving within the hour mate Work or this mortal coil? Just work hopefully, unless there's something you're not telling me
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 15:35:04 GMT
Loving the new profile picture and bio Voidy Can't beat a bit of MasterChef mate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 15:35:42 GMT
I also reckon you can split the Hughes Era into three distinct periods: Tentative Hughes - the first few months post-Pulis as we learned to actually pass the ball to other players in a Stoke shirt. This saw a bit of a mixed bag results-wise as we went from nearly getting a score draw at Anfield to a Sunday shocker at home to Norwich. In one week in December we went from drawing with Cardiff to beating Chelsea. Good Hughes- the period from January 2014 when we signed Peter Odemwingie and performances and results improved, such as the 4-1 win at Villa Park. This carried over into the following season (despite the usual slow start) and culminated in successive end of season thrashings of Liverpool and Spurs, and carried on pretty much up to the Cup semis against Liverpool, featuring the festive wins over Citeh, The Shit and Everton. Good Hughes lasted for two years apart from the odd blip Bad Hughes- basically everything from the League Cup semi to the FA Cup humbling at Coventry when Hughes had some kind of footballing breakdown and three- and four-goal defeats became as regular as clockwork. Ah that sweet spot in the middle where we had the heart of the Pulis era and a bit of Hughes flair. The good times.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 23, 2019 16:16:24 GMT
18 in the last 88 league games so we're getting worse. That is freefall relegation form Frightening 😱🙀
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Post by mcw on Aug 23, 2019 16:27:23 GMT
18 in the last 88 league games so we're getting worse. That is freefall relegation form Frightening 😱🙀 That is just crazy- so from 50 championship games what is our win ratio (46 last season and 4 this season)? Be interesting to know if that was better or worse than the win ratio in the previous 38 games in the Prem.
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Post by mcw on Aug 23, 2019 16:29:52 GMT
I also reckon you can split the Hughes Era into three distinct periods: Tentative Hughes - the first few months post-Pulis as we learned to actually pass the ball to other players in a Stoke shirt. This saw a bit of a mixed bag results-wise as we went from nearly getting a score draw at Anfield to a Sunday shocker at home to Norwich. In one week in December we went from drawing with Cardiff to beating Chelsea. Good Hughes- the period from January 2014 when we signed Peter Odemwingie and performances and results improved, such as the 4-1 win at Villa Park. This carried over into the following season (despite the usual slow start) and culminated in successive end of season thrashings of Liverpool and Spurs, and carried on pretty much up to the Cup semis against Liverpool, featuring the festive wins over Citeh, The Shit and Everton. Good Hughes lasted for two years apart from the odd blip Bad Hughes- basically everything from the League Cup semi to the FA Cup humbling at Coventry when Hughes had some kind of footballing breakdown and three- and four-goal defeats became as regular as clockwork. Ah that sweet spot in the middle where we had the heart of the Pulis era and a bit of Hughes flair. The good times. It was indeed the sweet spot, enough characters left in the dressing room to keep the Hughes show ponies in line and also to do the dirty work to enable them to shine. It all started to go pear shaped once the spine of the team started to drift away- not that they should have been retained, just Hughes didn't seem capable of finding an like for like replacements.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 16:35:48 GMT
That is freefall relegation form Frightening 😱🙀 That is just crazy- so from 50 championship games what is our win ratio (46 last season and 4 this season)? Be interesting to know if that was better or worse than the win ratio in the previous 38 games in the Prem. 11 wins from 50
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 16:36:23 GMT
Ah that sweet spot in the middle where we had the heart of the Pulis era and a bit of Hughes flair. The good times. It was indeed the sweet spot, enough characters left in the dressing room to keep the Hughes show ponies in line and also to do the dirty work to enable them to shine. It all started to go pear shaped once the spine of the team started to drift away- not that they should have been retained, just Hughes didn't seem capable of finding an like for like replacements. It wasn’t our spine...it was our heart ðŸ˜
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 16:41:15 GMT
If anyone wants to do the away stats, fill your boots.
Wikipedia doesn't split the table and it's time for a pint 😎
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Post by philm87 on Aug 23, 2019 16:57:05 GMT
The fact that it goes back all the way to Liverpool in that semi-final perhaps suggests that the route of the problem does not lie with the manager.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 17:00:57 GMT
That is freefall relegation form Frightening 😱🙀 That is just crazy- so from 50 championship games what is our win ratio (46 last season and 4 this season)? Be interesting to know if that was better or worse than the win ratio in the previous 38 games in the Prem. 18% win rate in the relegation season. 22% win rate since in the Championship. Absolutely woeful and still people blame the fans for being negative!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:06:49 GMT
That is just crazy- so from 50 championship games what is our win ratio (46 last season and 4 this season)? Be interesting to know if that was better or worse than the win ratio in the previous 38 games in the Prem. 18% win rate in the relegation season. 22% win rate since in the Championship. Absolutely woeful and still people blame the fans for being negative! 11% since January...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 17:09:35 GMT
18% win rate in the relegation season. 22% win rate since in the Championship. Absolutely woeful and still people blame the fans for being negative! 11% since January... He's very, very lucky to be in a job.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 23, 2019 17:12:53 GMT
Ah that sweet spot in the middle where we had the heart of the Pulis era and a bit of Hughes flair. The good times. It was indeed the sweet spot, enough characters left in the dressing room to keep the Hughes show ponies in line and also to do the dirty work to enable them to shine. It all started to go pear shaped once the spine of the team started to drift away- not that they should have been retained, just Hughes didn't seem capable of finding an like for like replacements. Now: little flair, little heart That right there is the cause of the decline I'm sure if Denise was at the helm its be much different
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:14:26 GMT
He's very, very lucky to be in a job. Unfortunately I think people were oblivious to it until now. Fair enough he needed a pre season but it’s been awful since he joined and people just haven’t seen it. People have been blinded by all the talk - a serious case of the Emperors new clothes. And anyone who dared point out it’s not adding up to what he does it’s basically an heretic. Now people are quite happy to clap on a bunch of hapless triers that look like fish out of water in a fancy diamond because we are having a few more non-threatening shots...utterly bizarre.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 18:33:09 GMT
It was indeed the sweet spot, enough characters left in the dressing room to keep the Hughes show ponies in line and also to do the dirty work to enable them to shine. It all started to go pear shaped once the spine of the team started to drift away- not that they should have been retained, just Hughes didn't seem capable of finding an like for like replacements. Now: little flair, little heart That right there is the cause of the decline I'm sure if Denise was at the helm its be much different I honestly believe we'd be on a similar footing to Leicester or Wolves if Denise ran the show, but she isn't interested. (I'm not saying we'd have won the League like Leicester but we'd be on a par with them commercially and recruitment-wise).
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2019 19:09:04 GMT
Table since the wheels completely came off under Rowett last Christmas www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/daterange/fromdate:2018-Dec-23/todate:2019-Aug-23/type:home-and-away/Championship Date Range: 23-DEC-2018 to 23-AUG-2019
01 Sheff U 23 10 1 1 25 5 5 5 1 17 9 28 5102 Norwich 23 7 4 1 31 19 6 4 1 21 12 21 47
03 Sheff W 27 8 3 2 21 9 4 7 3 16 15 13 46 04 W.B.A 27 6 6 2 26 17 7 1 5 17 18 8 46 05 Bristol C 27 6 4 4 19 17 7 3 3 18 14 6 46 06 Leeds 27 8 2 4 22 16 6 1 6 19 16 9 45 07 Brentford 27 8 3 2 29 11 4 4 6 12 17 13 43 08 Villa 23 6 3 2 22 14 6 4 2 15 10 13 4309 Swansea 27 9 4 1 30 17 3 3 7 14 22 5 43 10 Derby C 27 7 4 2 24 9 3 6 5 18 25 8 40 11 Preston 27 5 6 3 21 13 6 0 7 19 21 6 39 12 Hull C 27 8 3 2 27 13 3 3 8 17 28 3 39 13 M'boro 27 6 2 6 13 11 5 3 5 15 19 -2 38 14 Nottm F 27 9 0 4 25 13 1 6 7 10 22 0 36 15 B'burn 27 7 1 5 18 9 4 1 9 20 30 -1 35 16 B'ham 27 4 6 4 15 13 4 4 5 18 22 -2 34 17 Millwall 27 5 5 4 10 11 3 3 7 13 19 -7 32 18 Reading 27 6 4 3 17 16 1 7 6 11 20 -8 32 19 Wigan 27 6 5 2 18 12 1 4 9 13 27 -8 30 20 Stoke 27 2 7 4 14 17 1 6 7 6 18 -15 22 21 Q.P.R. 27 3 3 8 19 22 2 3 8 10 24 -17 21 22 R'ham 23 3 2 6 17 22 1 4 7 13 24 -16 18 23 Ipswich 23 2 4 5 11 15 1 3 8 6 24 -22 16 24 Bolton 23 2 2 8 7 20 2 0 9 7 27 -33 14
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:20:45 GMT
How do the stats look in a similar period before the Liverpool semi, just out of interest?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2019 19:23:55 GMT
How do the stats look in a similar period before the Liverpool semi, just out of interest? Post-Pulis before Hughes lost the plot?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:27:58 GMT
How do the stats look in a similar period before the Liverpool semi, just out of interest? Post-Pulis before Hughes lost the plot? Yeah, around that time. It would be interesting to see the level of collapse after that night.
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