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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Aug 22, 2019 13:53:28 GMT
I've just been reading about the latest analysis of public service spending in Scotland. It seems that the average public service expenditure per person in Scotland is £ 13854 which is £ 1661 more than the rest of the UK (rUK )
I live in a remote and distant part of the Scottish Highlands and I benefit from the free prescriptions for everyone living in Scotland. Other benefits I get are discounted airfares for flights within Scotland. Whenever I use our local Wick airport I can park and leave my car free of charge about 20 metres from the only check in desk.
Parking is free everywhere in our local towns of Thurso and Wick and as a local I can even park free of charge at John O' Groats which now charges visitors £ 2 to park.
As an oldie I can use my bus pass anywhere in Scotland and it can also be used on our long distance coach network.
I really am amazed that many of the natives up here want independence from those of you in rUK.
Once again a big thank you.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 22, 2019 14:02:04 GMT
I've just been reading about the latest analysis of public service spending in Scotland. It seems that the average public service expenditure per person in Scotland is £ 13854 which is £ 1661 more than the rest of the UK (rUK ) I live in a remote and distant part of the Scottish Highlands and I benefit from the free prescriptions for everyone living in Scotland. Other benefits I get are discounted airfares for flights within Scotland. Whenever I use our local Wick airport I can park and leave my car free of charge about 20 metres from the only check in desk. Parking is free everywhere in our local towns of Thurso and Wick and as a local I can even park free of charge at John O' Groats which now charges visitors £ 2 to park. As an oldie I can use my bus pass anywhere in Scotland and it can also be used on our long distance coach network. I really am amazed that many of the natives up here want independence from those of you in rUK. Once again a big thank you. It's our pleasure and I'm sure we don't resent a single penny of it. Could you post a link to what you've been reading? I've had many a Heavy fuelled argument with my Scottish relatives about how much we (the English) subsidise you Scots (and the Welsh & Irish too) (and the rest of the fucking EU!). I'm sure they would be interested to read what you've seen.
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Aug 22, 2019 14:23:24 GMT
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Post by Northy on Aug 22, 2019 14:44:29 GMT
so that's London gets about 5 times more per head on infrastructure than the north, the north subsides Scotland as well, and people wonder why outside of London mainly voted Brexit. The jokes about England holding a referendum to eject Scotland aren't all in jest
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2019 14:49:37 GMT
so that's London gets about 5 times more per head on infrastructure than the north, the north subsides Scotland as well, and people wonder why outside of London mainly voted Brexit. The jokes about England holding a referendum to eject Scotland aren't all in jest Not true is it. South and North maybe, but not just London. Relatively speaking Scotland for 12 billion (and it's population) is massively more than the 65 billion to the EU. Scotland out!
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Post by Northy on Aug 22, 2019 14:55:08 GMT
so that's London gets about 5 times more per head on infrastructure than the north, the north subsides Scotland as well, and people wonder why outside of London mainly voted Brexit. The jokes about England holding a referendum to eject Scotland aren't all in jest Not true is it. South and North maybe, but not just London. Relatively speaking Scotland for 12 billion (and it's population) is massively more than the 65 billion to the EU. Scotland out! I'm not sure I follow that point Fozzy, what did you mean? London, Scotland and NI voted to remain www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 22, 2019 14:56:07 GMT
I love Scotland and it’s people .....BUT it is being usurped by Sturgeon and the SNP in order to get independence. These statistics regarding GDP should frighten any Scotsman who believes in the irony of independence from the UK at the same time as being shackled to EU is the way ahead ..........."statistics show Scotland's deficit is seven per cent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP), compared with the UK which has a 1.1 per cent fiscal deficit. Public spending in Scotland was £75.3 billion in the 2018/19 financial year, with taxes raising £62.7 billion." This is despite the Barnett Formula heavily subsidising free university, prescriptions, health and social and elderly care. The next highest GDP deficit in the EU is Cyprus at 4.8%.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 22, 2019 15:03:28 GMT
From the BBC report of the same news, some interesting reading for Scottish & Welsh ‘remainers’. “ Scotland's deficit as a percentage of GDP is therefore more than six times higher at 7% - and more than double the 3% target set by the EU for its members. Cyprus was the only EU state to break that threshold last year, with its fiscal deficit at 4.8% of its GDP - although it is expected to return to a surplus this year.” “ Academics at Cardiff University estimated last month that Wales has a deficit of £13.7bn or 19.4% of its GDP” Perhaps the EU might think twice before welcoming the Jocks and the Taffs, if they can’t keep to the rules? BBC Link(got to laugh at the BBC headline. It ignores all the bad news and highlights the one slight area of improvement)
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 22, 2019 15:18:34 GMT
I love Scotland and it’s people .....BUT it is being usurped by Sturgeon and the SNP in order to get independence. These statistics regarding GDP should frighten any Scotsman who believes in the irony of independence from the UK at the same time as being shackled to EU is the way ahead ..........."statistics show Scotland's deficit is seven per cent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP), compared with the UK which has a 1.1 per cent fiscal deficit. Public spending in Scotland was £75.3 billion in the 2018/19 financial year, with taxes raising £62.7 billion." This is despite the Barnett Formula heavily subsidising free university, prescriptions, health and social and elderly care. The next highest GDP deficit in the EU is Cyprus at 4.8%. Maybe they see the British gravy train drying up post Brexit and think its time to attach themselves to a new teat.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 22, 2019 18:55:30 GMT
He’s taking the p!$$
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 22, 2019 19:46:06 GMT
I have to admit I would be sorry to see the scots leave the union ,however self determination is everyone's right , apart from the English apparently. I believe the scots will also leave without the use of the English currency and an appropriate proportion of the Uk national debt .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 22, 2019 21:11:36 GMT
Surely the aim should be for us all to have the same benefits Scotland enjoy and not bring them down to the third world public services we enjoy.
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Post by felonious on Aug 22, 2019 21:19:19 GMT
Surely the aim should be for us all to have the same benefits Scotland enjoy and not bring them down to the third world public services we enjoy. That's right, 7% deficits for future generations to enjoy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 22, 2019 21:32:44 GMT
Surely the aim should be for us all to have the same benefits Scotland enjoy and not bring them down to the third world public services we enjoy. That's right, 7% deficits for future generations to enjoy. Imagine taxing individuals and companies properly to pay for for admired public services. What an outrageous aim Christ this filthy right wing Government and media have worked a proper number on people haven't they.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 22, 2019 21:35:06 GMT
That's right, 7% deficits for future generations to enjoy. Imagine taxing individuals and companies properly to pay for for admired public services. What an outrageous aim Christ this filthy right wing Government and media have worked a proper number on people haven't they. Those aircraft carriers don't come cheap
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Post by Northy on Aug 23, 2019 6:06:19 GMT
I love Scotland and it’s people .....BUT it is being usurped by Sturgeon and the SNP in order to get independence. These statistics regarding GDP should frighten any Scotsman who believes in the irony of independence from the UK at the same time as being shackled to EU is the way ahead ..........."statistics show Scotland's deficit is seven per cent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP), compared with the UK which has a 1.1 per cent fiscal deficit. Public spending in Scotland was £75.3 billion in the 2018/19 financial year, with taxes raising £62.7 billion." This is despite the Barnett Formula heavily subsidising free university, prescriptions, health and social and elderly care. The next highest GDP deficit in the EU is Cyprus at 4.8%. Maybe they see the British gravy train drying up post Brexit and think its time to attach themselves to a new teat. Their first independence vote was before Brexit though
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Post by felonious on Aug 23, 2019 7:26:16 GMT
That's right, 7% deficits for future generations to enjoy. Imagine taxing individuals and companies properly to pay for for admired public services. What an outrageous aim Christ this filthy right wing Government and media have worked a proper number on people haven't they. You are aware that the Scottish Government has it's own tax raising powers. It's already worked out that if it pushes the button too hard it's citizens will move south of the border. Truly wealthy people have the ability to turn the income tap on or off as per Denise Coates recent dividend on the threat of a Corbyn government. It works out as 38.1% of £250 million or whatever Corbyn's percentage would be of nothing. Go figure Sheiky.
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Post by lordb on Aug 23, 2019 7:50:37 GMT
I've just been reading about the latest analysis of public service spending in Scotland. It seems that the average public service expenditure per person in Scotland is £ 13854 which is £ 1661 more than the rest of the UK (rUK ) I live in a remote and distant part of the Scottish Highlands and I benefit from the free prescriptions for everyone living in Scotland. Other benefits I get are discounted airfares for flights within Scotland. Whenever I use our local Wick airport I can park and leave my car free of charge about 20 metres from the only check in desk. Parking is free everywhere in our local towns of Thurso and Wick and as a local I can even park free of charge at John O' Groats which now charges visitors £ 2 to park. As an oldie I can use my bus pass anywhere in Scotland and it can also be used on our long distance coach network. I really am amazed that many of the natives up here want independence from those of you in rUK. Once again a big thank you. It's our pleasure and I'm sure we don't resent a single penny of it. Could you post a link to what you've been reading? I've had many a Heavy fuelled argument with my Scottish relatives about how much we (the English) subsidise you Scots (and the Welsh & Irish too) (and the rest of the fucking EU!). I'm sure they would be interested to read what you've seen. Wales get less per head than we do, they get the worst deal,Scots get the best.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 23, 2019 7:51:42 GMT
Imagine taxing individuals and companies properly to pay for for admired public services. What an outrageous aim Christ this filthy right wing Government and media have worked a proper number on people haven't they. You are aware that the Scottish Government has it's own tax raising powers. It's already worked out that if it pushes the button too hard it's citizens will move south of the border. Truly wealthy people have the ability to turn the income tap on or off as per Denise Coates recent dividend on the threat of a Corbyn government. It works out as 38.1% of £250 million or whatever Corbyn's percentage would be of nothing. Go figure Sheiky. Well done to Denise. Her family spent so much time & money fannying about relocating to Malta, we got relegated.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 8:14:19 GMT
Imagine taxing individuals and companies properly to pay for for admired public services. What an outrageous aim Christ this filthy right wing Government and media have worked a proper number on people haven't they. You are aware that the Scottish Government has it's own tax raising powers. It's already worked out that if it pushes the button too hard it's citizens will move south of the border. Truly wealthy people have the ability to turn the income tap on or off as per Denise Coates recent dividend on the threat of a Corbyn government. It works out as 38.1% of £250 million or whatever Corbyn's percentage would be of nothing. Go figure Sheiky. It all culminates in a race to the bottom though doesnt it. Where the price of everything is paroumount but value, in this case quality of life, is nothing. There's never enough money yet every year there's a thousand more billionaires living in gated off solid gold houses. What are you suggesting here changing the Barnett Formula?
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Post by felonious on Aug 23, 2019 8:52:23 GMT
You are aware that the Scottish Government has it's own tax raising powers. It's already worked out that if it pushes the button too hard it's citizens will move south of the border. Truly wealthy people have the ability to turn the income tap on or off as per Denise Coates recent dividend on the threat of a Corbyn government. It works out as 38.1% of £250 million or whatever Corbyn's percentage would be of nothing. Go figure Sheiky. It all culminates in a race to the bottom though doesnt it. Where the price of everything is paroumount but value, in this case quality of life, is nothing. There's never enough money yet every year there's a thousand more billionaires living in gated off solid gold houses. What are you suggesting here changing the Barnett Formula? I want independence for Scotland as much as any Scot. I know how Peter Coates started off and where. It wasn't given to him and no doubt he took the risk of bank guarantees, securities, etc and it worked out eventually for him through hard graft and sacrifice. Why would anyone bother to do this under a Corbyn government?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 8:59:40 GMT
It all culminates in a race to the bottom though doesnt it. Where the price of everything is paroumount but value, in this case quality of life, is nothing. There's never enough money yet every year there's a thousand more billionaires living in gated off solid gold houses. What are you suggesting here changing the Barnett Formula? I want independence for Scotland as much as any Scot. I know how Peter Coates started off and where. It wasn't given to him and no doubt he took the risk of bank guarantees, securities, etc and it worked out eventually for him through hard graft and sacrifice. Why would anyone bother to do this under a Corbyn government? Do what? Pay their dues?
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Post by felonious on Aug 23, 2019 9:09:09 GMT
I want independence for Scotland as much as any Scot. I know how Peter Coates started off and where. It wasn't given to him and no doubt he took the risk of bank guarantees, securities, etc and it worked out eventually for him through hard graft and sacrifice. Why would anyone bother to do this under a Corbyn government? Do what? Pay their dues? What rate of tax would you be happy with on a £250M dividend?
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Post by Gods on Aug 23, 2019 9:21:46 GMT
I read London taxpayers fund a third of all UK income tax so it goes several ways.
I mean thats what income tax is, a progressive tax on earnings.
Areas where people on average earn more, pay more and vice versa, surely that's a good thing.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 23, 2019 9:25:19 GMT
What rate of tax would you be happy with on a £250M dividend? Have you heard yourself. You have entered the land of the absurd. What rate would you be happy with!?!
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Post by felonious on Aug 23, 2019 9:38:15 GMT
What rate of tax would you be happy with on a £250M dividend? Have you heard yourself. You have entered the land of the absurd. What rate would you be happy with!?! I'm asking the question Bath because he seems to be unhappy with the rates of tax being levied probably similar to yourself. What absurd rate of tax do you think is fair?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 9:44:10 GMT
Have you heard yourself. You have entered the land of the absurd. What rate would you be happy with!?! I'm asking the question Bath because he seems to be unhappy with the rates of tax being levied probably similar to yourself. What absurd rate of tax do you think is fair? The absurd thing isn't the tax rate it's the size of the dividend in the first place! Particularly in a country where people are dying as a direct result of the Tory policy of austerity.
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Post by foster on Aug 23, 2019 9:45:27 GMT
Tax the super rich more. What's the problem?
They'll hardly notice but it will make a big difference to most common people.
Eg. Footballer on 250k per week gets taxed an extra 4% = 10k per week or 520k per year.
He'll hardly notice but imagine how much that little extra taxation (520k) would help public services/elderly care.
Then apply the same tax to all people earning those ridiculous amounts of money.. Bingo!
Add in Digital taxes on the likes of Google, Amazon, Apple, etc.
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Post by foster on Aug 23, 2019 9:53:44 GMT
Have you heard yourself. You have entered the land of the absurd. What rate would you be happy with!?! I'm asking the question Bath because he seems to be unhappy with the rates of tax being levied probably similar to yourself. What absurd rate of tax do you think is fair? To be honest, taxes on wages in the UK are pretty low. I don't understand why governments keep offering to cut taxes while increasing public spending. It's not sustainable. Why do you call an increased tax rate absurd? What's absurd is to think that it's in any way ethically fair that one person can work a few months and be setup for life, whereas the vast majority of others have to work 45 years (and more if they increase the retirement age) just to have a pathetic pension and probably lose all their savings paying for any care they receive in their later years. That is of course if they don't die before then. The rich/poor gap is widening and can be addressed without any absurd actions being taken.
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Post by felonious on Aug 23, 2019 9:55:54 GMT
I'm asking the question Bath because he seems to be unhappy with the rates of tax being levied probably similar to yourself. What absurd rate of tax do you think is fair? The absurd thing isn't the tax rate it's the size of the dividend in the first place! Particularly in a country where people are dying as a direct result of the Tory policy of austerity. I'll ask you again what rate of tax do you think should be levied? If they don't pay a dividend out the Exchequer doesn't receive anything. This applies to dividends of £2,500 as well.
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