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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2019 21:20:23 GMT
In order to prevent FFP we went for quantity over quality and it shows
We needed
A Competent GK - We signed a GK who we don’t have confidence in even for a place on the bench
A midfield powerhouse - We signed Cousins who played one game and hasn’t been seen since. Leaving us with a very lightweight midfield.
A LB - We signed a decent journeyman who isn’t a wingback. Now resorted to playing McClean.
A creater - We signed an injury prone decent player who’s injured.
A pacey striker - We wanted Gayle and got Hogan. Jury’s our but Gale is a livelier striker I’d suggest.
Jones says these players yet they’re discarded very quickly. I think he’s a patsy for the board saying what they want to cover for past mistakes.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 21, 2019 22:03:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure you were happy with things during the window.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2019 22:31:47 GMT
It was a window as stated at the time of abject mediocrity that consolidated us as a lower end championship team at best and yet again it was delivered by a process that’s failed before overseen by an abject failure of a ceo .
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:37:26 GMT
When did we last have a good one?
One where we sold who we needed to and signed who we needed too?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 22:37:43 GMT
What choice did we have other than try and do things on the cheap?
We've blown so much money, the wage bill is absolutely massive and it looks like this year's budget was whatever we got in through sales ... nowt.
Get used to it, this is years from being sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:45:11 GMT
We had to go with quantity for this window as we had to turn the squad around as much as possible.
That in itself brings risk.
I still don't think people have quite got their heads around just how big this job is, and by big I don't mean impossible but big as in the sheer amount of problems that came with us with relegation that were amplified by 50M last summer.
I said last summer that this was a 3 year job to get rid of the shit in the squad, and no doubt some shit we've accumulated since. That also came with Jones, who has the added complication of inexperience at this level and a very weird way of playing.
Changing managers with the characters we have left in the squad just kicks the can down the road further and potentially solves nothing.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 21, 2019 22:50:54 GMT
We had to go with quantity for this window as we had to turn the squad around as much as possible. That in itself brings risk. I still don't think people have quite got their heads around just how big this job is, and by big I don't mean impossible but big as in the sheer amount of problems that came with us with relegation that were amplified by 50M last summer. I said last summer that this was a 3 year job to get rid of the shit in the squad, and no doubt some shit we've accumulated since. That also came with Jones, who has the added complication of inexperience at this level and a very weird way of playing. Changing managers with the characters we have left in the squad just kicks the can down the road further and potentially solves nothing. Would you persevere with the diamond, or bin it. Apologies if you have already addressed this. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:53:54 GMT
We had to go with quantity for this window as we had to turn the squad around as much as possible. That in itself brings risk. I still don't think people have quite got their heads around just how big this job is, and by big I don't mean impossible but big as in the sheer amount of problems that came with us with relegation that were amplified by 50M last summer. I said last summer that this was a 3 year job to get rid of the shit in the squad, and no doubt some shit we've accumulated since. That also came with Jones, who has the added complication of inexperience at this level and a very weird way of playing. Changing managers with the characters we have left in the squad just kicks the can down the road further and potentially solves nothing. Would you persevere with the diamond, or bin it. Apologies if you have already addressed this. I'd go back to the three at the back diamond he used last season. It made us hard to beat for a start and with a bit of mobility in Gregory and craft in Duffy/Powell we'd have enough to start churning out some wins. Three at the back would give Collins a good base to come in and develop too. |
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 21, 2019 22:56:52 GMT
I too think it was a poor window, but not for those reasons particularly.
For 12mths, we needed to sell Butland and Allen and create a team out of better championship performers, building on the emergence of Edwards and Collins, and good loan signings.
When NJ inherited the team from Rowett, it had won more than it lost. Sure, there was plenty wrong as Rowett lost the plot - Afobe was the wrong striker, McClean predictably offered too little end product and there was no creativity or threat from midfield - However, equally that team wasn't without some qualities at this level. Ince good, Woods, Clucas fine, Etebo v good, the backline was competent and solidifying. So, for me, you could keep Lindsay, Hogan, Smith, Cousins, Davies and have just bought one good attacking left sided player instead, like Murphy or Watkins, alongside Vydra - got cover from loan players - then play a 4231 system that suited the squad more.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 22, 2019 6:16:32 GMT
We couldn't afford another shit transfer window this summer just gone; adding more crap on top of the already bloated, festering heap of manure that Hughes and Rowett dumped on us was unthinkable. Yet what's happened...
Adam Davies- What's that all about? A free transfer, yes, but we can't afford to be paying a big salary to someone who's behind Adam Federici in the pecking order.
Tommy Smith- £4m for a rubbish right back who (up until last night) has been keeping one of our best players out of the team. Great.
Stephen Ward- We needed a really good option here who can get up and down the line. We signed a 34 year old.
Liam Lindsay- £2m looks a decent enough purchase to be fair.
Jordan Cousins- We needed a proper defensive screen for the diamond, yet we got a bloke who QPR thought was crap because Jones remembered him being good for Charlton Under 9s or whatever it was.
Nick Powell- Might turn out to be good, but we know he's very injury prone.
Lee Gregory- A rare good signing.
Scott Hogan (loan)- Jury's out. Doesn't seem to get involved in games but might have that knack of being in the right place at the right time.
Cameron Carter-Vickers (loan)- Not seen him play.
It's a mixed bag at best, and on top of the £9m we've flushed away on Vokes and the £3m on Batth, Jones has (on the whole) added more dross to the complete mess of a squad we'd already got. I pity anyone who has the job of sorting this compost heap out once NJ inevitably gets sacked. We make Sunderland look well-run.
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Post by Gods on Aug 22, 2019 6:46:48 GMT
I hope you're right about Lee Gegory, he runs around so for the moment folks are on side, but I doubt there is a goal in him which we kind of need from our 'forwards'.
Overall we should have bought fewer, better players
We've bought a whole new team for Nathan, while we still cant sell the old team, trouble is none of them are any good.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 22, 2019 6:57:09 GMT
Quantity not quality was the story of our window.
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Post by devsad on Aug 22, 2019 6:57:41 GMT
Apart from front 2 (less said the better, should have paid up and gone for Gayle) the majority of that team were already here when Jones arrived.
But he made 10 signings!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2019 7:00:13 GMT
What would Dwight Gayle have offered last night? The problems are all further back in terms of creativity and defensive assuredness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:06:55 GMT
What would Dwight Gayle have offered last night? The problems are all further back in terms of creativity and defensive assuredness. Last night yes, but what would he have offered against QPR, Charlton and Derby? He buries Vokes' chance against QPR and take your pick from the other two games. With Gayle we'd be nowhere near the bottom and the team would be full of confidence. We've seen exactly what the first goal does in every game this season. Score it when you're on top and the game changes completely. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2019 7:34:14 GMT
What would Dwight Gayle have offered last night? The problems are all further back in terms of creativity and defensive assuredness. Last night yes, but what would he have offered against QPR, Charlton and Derby? He buries Vokes' chance against QPR and take your pick from the other two games. With Gayle we'd be nowhere near the bottom and the team would be full of confidence. We've seen exactly what the first goal does in every game this season. Score it when you're on top and the game changes completely. He probably would have got goals in those games, I agree. I guess more of what I'm trying to say is if we play like we did last night then the huge outlay it would have taken to get him here anyway would be more or less completely wasted, because teams playing like they did last night don't go up and they only justification for bringing in Gayle in for such an extortionate price would be as the final piece of the puzzle to seal promotion. We're miles off that. |
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Post by flea79 on Aug 22, 2019 7:41:05 GMT
When did we last have a good one? One where we sold who we needed to and signed who we needed too? The year we got pennant in on deadline day |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 22, 2019 7:46:48 GMT
What would Dwight Gayle have offered last night? The problems are all further back in terms of creativity and defensive assuredness. Last night yes, but what would he have offered against QPR, Charlton and Derby? He buries Vokes' chance against QPR and take your pick from the other two games. With Gayle we'd be nowhere near the bottom and the team would be full of confidence. We've seen exactly what the first goal does in every game this season. Score it when you're on top and the game changes completely. The failure to get Gayle was the single biggest mistake of the window and will ensure we don't get promotion, in fact we may go down if we also keep NJ. |
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Post by mrred on Aug 22, 2019 7:48:21 GMT
No team will ever get promoted with a squad full of frees and loans.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 22, 2019 7:49:27 GMT
We’re paying for the transfer windows past not the latest one
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Post by nott1 on Aug 22, 2019 7:50:38 GMT
Last night yes, but what would he have offered against QPR, Charlton and Derby? He buries Vokes' chance against QPR and take your pick from the other two games. With Gayle we'd be nowhere near the bottom and the team would be full of confidence. We've seen exactly what the first goal does in every game this season. Score it when you're on top and the game changes completely. He probably would have got goals in those games, I agree. I guess more of what I'm trying to say is if we play like we did last night then the huge outlay it would have taken to get him here anyway would be more or less completely wasted, because teams playing like they did last night don't go up and they only justification for bringing in Gayle in for such an extortionate price would be as the final piece of the puzzle to seal promotion. We're miles off that. Last night their first goal was scored by a guy who cost £50k and he was allowed to look like Messi due to Stoke tactics as brought to us by Jones. Gayle would have kept us in the hunt though. |
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Aug 22, 2019 7:57:28 GMT
I don't think we've seen enough of the new signings to make a considered judgement just yet.
What I have seen enough of though is
James McLean
Joe Allen
Sam Clucas
Tom Ince
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Jack Butland
All proven losers.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 22, 2019 8:18:39 GMT
DM is a big problem, we need a proper DM player istead of a deep playmaker type. Said it all transfer window but we should have signed reece oxford from whu who is a physical CB/DM to allow us to have 3 defenders at the back when the full backs go forward, £2.1m they sold him for, £2.1m! You could turn a bus between our CB and DM.
LEE CATERMOLE. Free agent. Get him in we need someone to stick a foot in and anchor the DM position.
Ince, not a number 10, powell got kicked apparently first game and not seen since, as robust as a paper bag in the rain? Should have signed vydra as a #10 instead of chasing gayle until the death. Ince is not a number 10 and neither is verlinden.
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Post by stokebloke on Aug 22, 2019 8:35:17 GMT
We're paying for several poor transfer windows 😣
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