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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2019 21:35:20 GMT
Playing against poorer players and weaker managers. This is a big boys division and you can’t spend ages honing a new system. He hasn't had ages. He has had half a season and we are getting worse. By the time he gets it right we will be playing fixtures in Longton Park on a Sunday morning. Out of his depth and it is the for the best to relieve him of this torment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:36:34 GMT
Yes he should because it's true, if he said anything else he's be called a liar on here. Nonesense. You can say it wasn’t great but that was fucking ridiculous. Do it behind closed doors. If it was Rowett there would have been hell up. Spot on. Rowett got slaughtered for throwing his players under a bus, it's only right that Jones gets treated the same.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2019 21:36:42 GMT
Which is true isn't it? First two goals on Butland, second one half on Batth for letting a ball bounce first. Third goal Etebo passing a ball across his own box. Forget the system for 5 minutes. If you've got experienced professionals doing that you won't win a game of football playing any system. If only it was this simple for most of our fans. Almost all of our goals conceded this season have been down to individual mistakes and errors. We've basically started 1-0 down in 3 league games because of them all! Not true at all We regularly get sliced open through the middle. Time and time again
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:13 GMT
Sounds just like Rowett here.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:33 GMT
He shouldn’t be attempting a new system when he doesn’t have the players to play it - he’s a one trick pony. It won’t work in this league. It can’t work every game. You need to be able to adapt and he can’t. Has he not, he's changed his formation in more than one game to adapt, he's right not to throw away the diamond after only a few games, im being slightly contradictory as I've already said if we need to go back to basics then so be it but he shouldn't be dismissing it so soon.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:37 GMT
He got given the time at Luton..... Playing against poorer players and weaker managers. This is a big boys division and you can’t spend ages honing a new system. He's had 8 months at it ... how much longer can we afford?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:38:13 GMT
He got given the time at Luton..... He said that the players took 6 months to click at Luton. He has had 6 months at Stoke but no 'clicking' is in sight. If we give him more time we will lose out on the opportunity to get Hughton and risk relegation He hasn't been trying this formation for 6 months though has he....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:38:58 GMT
He shouldn’t be attempting a new system when he doesn’t have the players to play it - he’s a one trick pony. It won’t work in this league. It can’t work every game. You need to be able to adapt and he can’t. Has he not, he's changed his formation in more than one game to adapt, he's right not to throw away the diamond after only a few games, im being slightly contradictory as I've already said if we need to go back to basics then so be it but he shouldn't be dismissing it so soon. Adapting when we are already losing and also making it worse is not the ability to adapt I had in mind...
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:03 GMT
We've seemingly built a team comprising of bang average Championship players trying to play a formation they simply dont understand or simply, Dont want to play nor, probably never will.
Form and confidence visibly drained away again e.g. tonite like chucking a bucket of water at a sand dune
and our team folds so easily these-days rather like a stripey deckchair under the lightest of pressure
and our league position is reflecting this
not good
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:41 GMT
Sounds just like Rowett here. No he doesn't, he's being open and honest about the situation.
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:55 GMT
Has he thrown Jack under the bus though? He's tried to blame his fuck ups on everything else but Jack surely? Leeds twice and Brum next? We're fucked.
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:56 GMT
He got given the time at Luton..... He said that the players took 6 months to click at Luton. He has had 6 months at Stoke but no 'clicking' is in sight. If we give him more time we will lose out on the opportunity to get Hughton and risk relegation I am fed up hearing about what happened at Luton. Please God willing tell us what is happening at Stoke.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Aug 21, 2019 21:40:03 GMT
I also feel for him. He seems like a decent bloke with a passion for the game. But manager of SCFC isn’t working for either party. True mate but he has to drop Jack he's killing the team. I would have ripped him off before half-time stuff the fuss if an outfield player had done that he's be off asap. His players are letting him down without doubt we played some good stuff and looked promising it's not his fault Jack has gifted 5 goals away. I'd like to know what's happened to Jack. This is a man who was in the England team and some premier league teams had their eye on. Probably couldn't give him away now. What's his problem? Is it him, the defence?
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2019 21:40:27 GMT
He said that the players took 6 months to click at Luton. He has had 6 months at Stoke but no 'clicking' is in sight. If we give him more time we will lose out on the opportunity to get Hughton and risk relegation He hasn't been trying this formation for 6 months though has he.... Dont continue to defend the indefensible He won 3 games in 22 Thats crap, rubbish Just talk and more talk and big promises but no results Not good enough, get rid
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 21, 2019 21:40:50 GMT
Jones was right with what he said, just as, in my opinion, Rowett was many times but the fact of the matter is, you can't really throw players under the bus on live TV after the game like that. He's got to be more professional. It's what he keeps demanding from the players. Disagree completely, if Jones is working his bollocks off and these mugs are performing like that he has every right to say whatever he likes. He needs to drop that mug Allen!
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2019 21:41:56 GMT
Sounds just like Rowett here. No he doesn't, he's being open and honest about the situation. Rowett said exactly the same about players at the club who think they should be playing at a higher level.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:42:03 GMT
Has he not, he's changed his formation in more than one game to adapt, he's right not to throw away the diamond after only a few games, im being slightly contradictory as I've already said if we need to go back to basics then so be it but he shouldn't be dismissing it so soon. Adapting when we are already losing and also making it worse is not the ability to adapt I had in mind... If you mean to completely change his philosophy then its too soon, it has to be given a chance, if Butland makes the easy saves we wouldn't be looking so bad, today has been the worst of the lot with zero positives, but before today there have been plenty, he needs support no hounding out.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:42:36 GMT
Jones has been fairly over confident in his presentation and attitude since his arrival at Stoke. Is he the managerial equivalent of Niklas Bendtner?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:45:09 GMT
Adapting when we are already losing and also making it worse is not the ability to adapt I had in mind... If you mean to completely change his philosophy then its too soon, it has to be given a chance, if Butland makes the easy saves we wouldn't be looking so bad, today has been the worst of the lot with zero positives, but before today there have been plenty, he needs support no hounding out. Yes I do mean his “philosophy” because he doesn’t have the players for it and it’s naive to think he does. He’s gone an announced it to the world and so everyone else will play to our weaknesses. It’s not just Butland. We had one shot on Target, we had no midfield, we look like we don’t have a clue what we are doing. And he can’t see it’s not working. We are wide open. It’s clearly not working.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:45:09 GMT
He said that the players took 6 months to click at Luton. He has had 6 months at Stoke but no 'clicking' is in sight. If we give him more time we will lose out on the opportunity to get Hughton and risk relegation I am fed up hearing about what happened at Luton. Please God willing tell us what is happening at Stoke. Okay, shite results with some awful goal keeping, created plenty of chances and scoring more than we looked likely to last season and there's been some positives, tonight was awful, worst game of the season so far, but its only been 4 games. He needs to figure out who's capable and who isn't,
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:46:29 GMT
No he doesn't, he's being open and honest about the situation. Rowett said exactly the same about players at the club who think they should be playing at a higher level. Where does he say that?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:47:24 GMT
If you mean to completely change his philosophy then its too soon, it has to be given a chance, if Butland makes the easy saves we wouldn't be looking so bad, today has been the worst of the lot with zero positives, but before today there have been plenty, he needs support no hounding out. Yes I do mean his “philosophy” because he doesn’t have the players for it and it’s naive to think he does. He’s gone an announced it to the world and so everyone else will play to our weaknesses. It’s not just Butland. We had one shot on Target, we had no midfield, we look like we don’t have a clue what we are doing. And he can’t see it’s not working. We are wide open. It’s clearly not working. Its missing one player (a dirty bastard of a DM) and the right 2 at the back that work well together imo. Edit, and a keeper that can make a save.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Aug 21, 2019 21:47:37 GMT
I am fed up hearing about what happened at Luton. Please God willing tell us what is happening at Stoke. Okay, shite results with some awful goal keeping, created plenty of chances and scoring more than we looked likely to last season and there's been some positives, tonight was awful, worst game of the season so far, but its only been 4 games. He needs to figure out who's capable and who isn't, He needs to figure out if he's capable.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2019 21:48:25 GMT
Rowett said exactly the same about players at the club who think they should be playing at a higher level. Where does he say that? On the Sentinel article. “Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers. There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem.”
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 21, 2019 21:48:47 GMT
He said that the players took 6 months to click at Luton. He has had 6 months at Stoke but no 'clicking' is in sight. If we give him more time we will lose out on the opportunity to get Hughton and risk relegation He hasn't been trying this formation for 6 months though has he.... And that sir is his greatest mistake
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:50:04 GMT
Yes I do mean his “philosophy” because he doesn’t have the players for it and it’s naive to think he does. He’s gone an announced it to the world and so everyone else will play to our weaknesses. It’s not just Butland. We had one shot on Target, we had no midfield, we look like we don’t have a clue what we are doing. And he can’t see it’s not working. We are wide open. It’s clearly not working. Its missing one player (a dirty bastard of a DM) and the right 2 at the back that work well together imo. Edit, and a keeper that can make a save. Which are crucial and he doesn’t have. So park it for now and find something that works. If he wants to keep his job.
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 21, 2019 21:50:36 GMT
If only it was this simple for most of our fans. Almost all of our goals conceded this season have been down to individual mistakes and errors. We've basically started 1-0 down in 3 league games because of them all! Not true at all We regularly get sliced open through the middle. Time and time again 3 tonight Butland for the QPR opener Butland for Charlton's opener Batth way out of position for Derby's penalty shout Allen nowhere near closing down the ball for Derby's opener They're just basic errors. And simple to fix. A manager has nothing to do with those ^
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 21, 2019 21:50:39 GMT
Jones isn’t the core problem. But he definitely isn’t helping himself either. The diamond isn’t working- if the diamond doesn’t work, then does he work?
His subs are shite, and that’s being polite. How isn’t Duffy, an actual creative player getting a run out when we’re 2-0 down?
His transfers haven’t been great. His defensive midfielder has got dropped for our former one. Our new right back isn’t as good as Edwards.
His interviews are starting to sound more and more desperate every week. I do feel sorry for him, but he needs to sort something else because this could get very ugly.
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Post by stokeson on Aug 21, 2019 21:51:49 GMT
Got to be given 3 windows .a wall and a garden shed and then we will be playing like the mighty Luton.Which is what we all wanted.Isnt it?
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Post by oatcakesteve on Aug 21, 2019 21:51:55 GMT
On the Sentinel article. “Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers. There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem.” Coming out with that isn't going to help him is it? Saying stuff like that can only be detrimental.
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