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Post by cousindupree on Aug 21, 2019 21:24:09 GMT
Isn't it the manager's responsibility to get players to do 'the basics' right? Many of his team and his players are experienced pros not raw teenagers who presumably have been doing 'the basics' pretty well to have had a career at a high level. So the only conclusion to draw is the coaching isn't getting through and the tactics and formation doesn't suit these players. Buck stops with the gaffer Nathan.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:24:46 GMT
You cannot help but love his honesty in that interview on Sky but for the 1st time for me he sounds a beaten man. If he turns this round he’ll go on to be a huge success with us but will he get the time🤔 On what basis can you make such a wild prediction ??!!! Absolutely nothing on which to make such an assertion He got given the time at Luton.....
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 21, 2019 21:25:07 GMT
Jones was right with what he said, just as, in my opinion, Rowett was many times but the fact of the matter is, you can't really throw players under the bus on live TV after the game like that. He's got to be more professional. It's what he keeps demanding from the players. Completely disagree, we’re all saying it, there is clearly something wrong with Butland! He gets paid a lot of money to do a job which he’s not doing properly. What else can Jones say?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
He’s had a rough start but if you think Federici is better then I strongly suggest you seek medical help At the moment Jakob Haugaard would be better. Woah, woah, woah. I know we're all a bit angry and a little upset at how this evening's gone, but let's not go mental, eh?
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 21, 2019 21:25:48 GMT
Why apply logic when you can just throw expletives at Nathan Jones though? I aren't exactly jumping with joy at the moment but this board is awful when we don't win. Very true but Jones needs to react now. Butland and Allen need shipping out pronto. Batth is also on dodgy ground. Two players for every position now needs to be used. Couldn't agree more. Allen has cost us goals at both ends of the pitch, sometimes a stint on the bench can help reignite some form. On top of that Butland literally has nowhere to hide after his horror start this season. I'd start with Etebo now, I'm hoping his mistake tonight was just a bit of rust after his AFCON break. I'd rather him make that mistake at 2 nil down than nil nil or heaven forbid 1 nil up. I'm hoping Jones makes the tough calls this weekend and rings the changes
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 21, 2019 21:26:38 GMT
Actually looked like he wanted cry - I do feel for the bloke but if he doesn’t get a result in the next few games he’ll be gone I also feel for him. He seems like a decent bloke with a passion for the game. But manager of SCFC isn’t working for either party. True mate but he has to drop Jack he's killing the team. I would have ripped him off before half-time stuff the fuss if an outfield player had done that he's be off asap. His players are letting him down without doubt we played some good stuff and looked promising it's not his fault Jack has gifted 5 goals away.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:26:48 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 21, 2019 21:26:49 GMT
Start working on a formation the players believe in you fuckwit. The goals we conceded tonight were all down to individual mistakes. It’s a shambles, but I don’t see how you can blame schoolboy defending on systems?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:27:01 GMT
Don’t be stupid how can he be any worse when Butland has cost us 5 gaols in 4 games, some people must be blind on this site He’s had a rough start but if you think Federici is better then I strongly suggest you seek medical help He saves all the ones Butland has fucked, we aren't having all that many shots against, yet we're conceding nearly all of them, and most have been down to keeper error, as it stands he is the better keeper because Butland has been that poor.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 21, 2019 21:27:39 GMT
The final words of a condemned man those surely? They're beyond parody?
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 21, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
We did then cue Jack to rip it all apart blame the keeper for killing the game. How on earth are players supposed to play when their keeper is playing for the opposition. Whilst I agree with most of the comments you make going 1-0 down shouldn't kill the game . Last night there were some amazing comebacks Coventry and Shrewsbury. If 1-0 down kills the game we are fucked It does if it's every week...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
Isn't it the manager's responsibility to get players to do 'the basics' right? Many of his team and his players are experienced pros not raw teenagers who presumably have been doing 'the basics' pretty well to have had a career at a high level. So the only conclusion to draw is the coaching isn't getting through and the tactics and formation doesn't suit these players. Buck stops with the gaffer Nathan. So they are pros that have been doing the basics right but suddenly coaching stops them, I'm not having it.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 21, 2019 21:28:41 GMT
This is the Championship. There are mistakes about every 30 seconds of play. Its why defenders often get their body on their line no matter what, and hoof it in danger errors - and there needs to be 100% committment, to compensate for the next inevitable mistake. You can trace every goal to a "mistake". But zero shots on target again tonight, 6 goals in 13 away games and being bottom of the league is pretty compelling. Starting to blame individuals for mistakes in this league is like blaming gravity.
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 21, 2019 21:28:55 GMT
and who's up next? Leeds, twice!! Jesus.
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Post by oatiemoston on Aug 21, 2019 21:29:15 GMT
Is it on purpose that there's a door behind him?
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2019 21:29:50 GMT
On what basis can you make such a wild prediction ??!!! Absolutely nothing on which to make such an assertion He got given the time at Luton..... Playing against poorer players and weaker managers. This is a big boys division and you can’t spend ages honing a new system.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:29:59 GMT
Very true but Jones needs to react now. Butland and Allen need shipping out pronto. Batth is also on dodgy ground. Two players for every position now needs to be used. Couldn't agree more. Allen has cost us goals at both ends of the pitch, sometimes a stint on the bench can help reignite some form. On top of that Butland literally has nowhere to hide after his horror start this season. I'd start with Etebo now, I'm hoping his mistake tonight was just a bit of rust after his AFCON break. I'd rather him make that mistake at 2 nil down than nil nil or heaven forbid 1 nil up. I'm hoping Jones makes the tough calls this weekend and rings the changes What does a good game from Allen look like, he doesn't have a good range of passing, he's not a tackler, he can't dominate an opposition, I really can't figure out what he is and he's been here what 3 years!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:30:35 GMT
Isn't it the manager's responsibility to get players to do 'the basics' right? Many of his team and his players are experienced pros not raw teenagers who presumably have been doing 'the basics' pretty well to have had a career at a high level. So the only conclusion to draw is the coaching isn't getting through and the tactics and formation doesn't suit these players. Buck stops with the gaffer Nathan. If a team aren't getting the basics right - how can anything at all be right?
I fear that NJ is really out of his depth. More worrying is that Messrs Coates and Scholes haven't a clue what to try next. Carthorse certainly knew when to jump ship didn't he?
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 21, 2019 21:31:07 GMT
Start working on a formation the players believe in you fuckwit. The goals we conceded tonight were all down to individual mistakes. It’s a shambles but I don’t see how you can blame schoolboy defending on systems? your right but we are way to narrow, nothing wrong with the good old 4-4-2 in my opinion, or a 4-2-3-1
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:31:18 GMT
Hope they've got plenty of staff on tonight. Thanks for the link. Just what I needed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
I think he's got 2 games,2 drubbings by Leeds and he's a gonner. Massive game for him personally Saturday
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:32:10 GMT
He got given the time at Luton..... Playing against poorer players and weaker managers. This is a big boys division and you can’t spend ages honing a new system. He hasn't had ages.
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Post by dadger on Aug 21, 2019 21:32:56 GMT
He sounds like a beaten man to me ?
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 21, 2019 21:33:15 GMT
He’s had a rough start but if you think Federici is better then I strongly suggest you seek medical help If Federici is worse than butland has been at the start of this season tonight included then he should not be at the club. I'd rather play bursik than butland atm. Is the ex-Barnsley keeper, captain and player of the season injured then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:33:51 GMT
Playing against poorer players and weaker managers. This is a big boys division and you can’t spend ages honing a new system. He hasn't had ages. He shouldn’t be attempting a new system when he doesn’t have the players to play it - he’s a one trick pony. It won’t work in this league. It can’t work every game. You need to be able to adapt and he can’t.
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 21, 2019 21:34:43 GMT
Says it not positioning, not getting cut open. Just not doing the basics. Which is true isn't it? First two goals on Butland, second one half on Batth for letting a ball bounce first. Third goal Etebo passing a ball across his own box. Forget the system for 5 minutes. If you've got experienced professionals doing that you won't win a game of football playing any system. If only it was this simple for most of our fans. Almost all of our goals conceded this season have been down to individual mistakes and errors. We've basically started 1-0 down in 3 league games because of them all!
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2019 21:34:43 GMT
Has he dared to give an interview.
That was totally indefensible..
Build a defence and then develop a team.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:34:55 GMT
Playing against poorer players and weaker managers. This is a big boys division and you can’t spend ages honing a new system. He hasn't had ages. He's had long enough to learn that the diamond isn't working. The longer the slippery slope, the harder to get off it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 21:35:17 GMT
I'll be worried if Allen and Butland start any of the next couple of games.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2019 21:35:20 GMT
On what basis can you make such a wild prediction ??!!! Absolutely nothing on which to make such an assertion He got given the time at Luton..... He said that the players took 6 months to click at Luton. He has had 6 months at Stoke but no 'clicking' is in sight. If we give him more time we will lose out on the opportunity to get Hughton and risk relegation
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