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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 21, 2019 22:29:14 GMT
1) Mark Hughes 2) Mark Hughes 3) Mark Hughes 4) Mark Hughes 5) Mark fuckin Hughes
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 21, 2019 22:31:42 GMT
Recruitment, tactics and lack of leaders!
It’s thats simple. Blame Hughes yeah we all know he was here for 18 months too long!
Here and now is the focus! Jones has had a pretty season his own words judge me now!
Well Nath you’re being judged! Lost 3/4!
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 21, 2019 22:35:25 GMT
1.self-sufficiency 2.CEO 3.complacency 4.recruitment 5.Coates Junior
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Post by musik on Aug 21, 2019 22:40:50 GMT
1. Lack of typical striker qualities 2. Lack of pace 3. Lack of technique 4. Lack of creativity 5. Lack of formation flexibility
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2019 22:51:09 GMT
1. Not getting rid of Hughes in the summer of '17.
2. Not replacing him with a quality proven manager at the top level.
That's the top and bottom of it.
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Post by dexter97 on Aug 21, 2019 22:57:12 GMT
hughes gutted the changing room of gritty/tough characters like Walters and Whalen and never replaced them, instead he brought in players only concerned with their pay cheque. Never replaced Arlie either, that was the beginning of our decline, selling Arnie and not replacing him. Not replacing Nzonzi (or rather, trying to replace him with Joe Allen) was the start of the rot setting in.
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Post by salopian on Aug 21, 2019 23:00:33 GMT
Decision making at the top of the club is abject. 1. Removing a proper recruitment & due diligence process, under Hughes - leading to the most shocking waste of 70m (signing, fees et al) 2. Poor appointment of Lambert, as well as the timing of it - way too late & also past the time he could have made a difference in the window (chosen not to challenge the Board) 3. Poor appointment of Rowett 4. Poor appointment of Jones (chosen not to challenge the Board) Feel sorry for NJ - he never had credentials for this job, nice guy, decent coach. Similar appointment to Paul Hurst at Ipswich last year. His two shortcomings are: 1. Chasing the diamond - rather than fitting the system to players and seeking to build on what was, after all, a team that won more than it lost. Down to lack of breadth of experience with different systems and players. 2. Recruiting low grade "triers", as he felt comfortable managing them. (Most latterly, the sentiment behind his Head of Recruitment, who has done a God awful job at Brighton for the past 12-18mths). Down to underlying lack of confidence, which he overcompensates for, because he is really trying to convince himself. Wouldn't argue with much of that! Points 1 and 2 very significant and proved with the famous quote by chairman which summed it up it was to late to rectify the problem as they couldn't see it staring them in the face!!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2019 23:01:42 GMT
hughes gutted the changing room of gritty/tough characters like Walters and Whalen and never replaced them, instead he brought in players only concerned with their pay cheque. Never replaced Arlie either, that was the beginning of our decline, selling Arnie and not replacing him. Not replacing Nzonzi (or rather, trying to replace him with Joe Allen) was the start of the rot setting in. Butland getting injured and being replaced with the hapless Haugaard started things off with several 3 and 4 goal spankings in March / April '16. Confidence dropped and we never recovered.
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Post by salopian on Aug 21, 2019 23:04:15 GMT
1.self-sufficiency 2.CEO 3.complacency 4.recruitment 5.Coates Junior Will Also agree with all of these in a huge way.. All root causes, from out of the depth in ability and self destructing our Premiership status and last year being a nothing team again. All in all quite an achievement by them at the top
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 23:06:35 GMT
1. Sacking Tony Pulis, ditching his model for the new way forward.
then 1-5 is 2-6.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2019 1:12:52 GMT
hughes gutted the changing room of gritty/tough characters like Walters and Whalen and never replaced them, instead he brought in players only concerned with their pay cheque. Never replaced Arlie either, that was the beginning of our decline, selling Arnie and not replacing him. We were never going to replace Arni with an equivalent player after he announced to the world that we had no ambition. His leaving was a symptom of the decline not the cause.
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Post by zeus on Aug 22, 2019 7:51:38 GMT
Brexit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:05:49 GMT
Signing mediocre players. Not one single player in this squad that I would pay good money to watch. Not one single one. Terrible this. Absolutely terrible! That was a shambles last night! Absolute shambles! If they play like that again, I won't even watch em on the tele!
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Post by stokemark on Aug 22, 2019 8:39:39 GMT
1.self-sufficiency 2.CEO 3.complacency 4.recruitment 5.Coates Junior Correct The aim of Self Sufficiency destroyed what we had
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Post by serpico on Aug 22, 2019 10:20:56 GMT
1. Sacking Tony Pulis, ditching his model for the new way forward. then 1-5 is 2-6. We had three 9th place finishes after TP left though, the decline started in Hughes 4th season.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 22, 2019 10:40:42 GMT
I blame the council for erasing the ‘Mills Out’ graffiti on the A500. Always amused me greatly that when they tore that wall down and built a shiny new one in its place, within days some wag had sprayed 'MILLS OUT!' back on it in exactly the same place. It's since been removed though sadly, although after last night's abject display I may go and write it back on again. (Might as well re-do the 'PHILL BABB' in that alley in Newcastle whilst I've got the paint out)
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Post by Goonie on Aug 22, 2019 10:49:51 GMT
The problem with hindsight is it's always 20/20 vision
However, based on our current management set up:
1. Being obsessed with a certain formation despite not recruiting to fill it 2. No decent DM, no LB recruited to meet the demands of the obsessed over diamond 3. Players staying beyond their usefulness: Allen, Butland and keeping their place despite lacklustre performances 4. players out of position: square pegs and all that - McLean 5. bizarre team selection but ultimately equally unfathomable substitutions leading to lost points etc
Jones on a knife edge for me
Are the fans to blame? Expectations had been raised under Hughes- now seemingly unrealistically- but all we want in this division is to compete and we're dying on our arse
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Post by starkiller on Aug 22, 2019 10:54:09 GMT
Mercenary, overrated, lazy-arse signings.
Has seen to many an ex-Premier club, like kryptonite around superman's neck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 10:57:28 GMT
1. Keeping Hughes too long. 2. Replacing him with Lambert 3. Replacing him with Rowett 4. Giving him 50M to spend 5. Not even attempting the promised overhaul and sticking with a failed process.
Pathetic executive management and directorship.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 22, 2019 10:58:04 GMT
1- keeping Hughes too long 2- some rotten deals Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula 3- 3 poor managerial appointments after Hughes 4- signing the likes of Allen and Butland to new contracts rather than selling them. 5- having Scholes and Cartwright oversee the mess Number 4 is rewriting history somewhat. We were delighted when Allo and Buto signed on to stay.
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Post by mjg13x on Aug 22, 2019 11:00:54 GMT
1- keeping Hughes too long 2- some rotten deals Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula 3- 3 poor managerial appointments after Hughes 4- signing the likes of Allen and Butland to new contracts rather than selling them. 5- having Scholes and Cartwright oversee the mess Number 4 is rewriting history somewhat. We were delighted when Allo and Buto signed on to stay. 100% this. The "Can we keep Jack" thread this summer, to use a recent example, ran 50+ pages of people expressing their delight when we learned that #1 was here to stay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 11:03:50 GMT
I blame the council for erasing the ‘Mills Out’ graffiti on the A500. Always amused me greatly that when they tore that wall down and built a shiny new one in its place, within days some wag had sprayed 'MILLS OUT!' back on it in exactly the same place. It's since been removed though sadly, although after last night's abject display I may go and write it back on again. (Might as well re-do the 'PHILL BABB' in that alley in Newcastle whilst I've got the paint out)No idea who resprayed it but it was a brilliant stroke of humour 😂
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 11:22:14 GMT
Still think there is a curse of us. Every chance we're being punished. Most chances in the league, least chances against and we are bottom. Exorcist Personally, I think we're just shit. There's a lot of people to blame for this situation, but Aleister Crowley isn't one of them.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 11:24:44 GMT
Wenger fault. Us trying to rid ourselves of the Rugby team label. All of the above. Not being a rugby team shouldn't mean we default to being shit.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 11:28:41 GMT
1. Sacking Tony Pulis, ditching his model for the new way forward. then 1-5 is 2-6. That'll be why the subsequent three seasons saw higher league placings, better footballers coming in and some pretty impressive performances
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Post by elystokie on Aug 22, 2019 11:44:21 GMT
1. Sacking Tony Pulis, ditching his model for the new way forward. then 1-5 is 2-6. That'll be why the subsequent three seasons saw higher league placings, better footballers coming in and some pretty impressive performances The nutter brigade really have me laughing my bollocks off lately Forget the fact he was taking us down, forget the fact no fucker was renewing their season tickets, forget the fact that his tactic has been long sussed and is ineffective. Blind faith in the toxic one, that's what we need!
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 22, 2019 11:46:02 GMT
Kitson... it's still that bastards fault!
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 13:14:31 GMT
That'll be why the subsequent three seasons saw higher league placings, better footballers coming in and some pretty impressive performances The nutter brigade really have me laughing my bollocks off lately Forget the fact he was taking us down, forget the fact no fucker was renewing their season tickets, forget the fact that his tactic has been long sussed and is ineffective. Blind faith in the toxic one, that's what we need! As I've said, they're like a cult. The Moonies (well, swap the M for an L) 😉
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Post by stokiesteve on Aug 22, 2019 13:28:29 GMT
1. Mark Hughes in too long 2. Bad characters signed under Hughes 3. No discipline in Hughes last season 4. Too many players don’t care 5. Massive expectations
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 14:09:40 GMT
1. Sacking Tony Pulis, ditching his model for the new way forward. then 1-5 is 2-6. That'll be why the subsequent three seasons saw higher league placings, better footballers coming in and some pretty impressive performances Season 1 - Flirted with relegation until around February. We actually started the Manchester United game on 1 February in 18th spot, but with that game in hand. Got a roll on after that. It was the start of a pretty good eighteen months. Season 2 - That was a good season. And the only one we finished with a positive GD Season 3 - A poor season, where the cracks were obvious but covered by some very fortunate wins. We didn't get those fortunate wins the following season. A number of fans were always concerned we would go the way of QPR, loading the club with overpaid mercenaries who wouldn't gel. And whilst it didn't happen immediately, it kicked like a horse when it did finally happen.... But I'm just one of those Pulis loonies, hey
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