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Post by stokeson on Aug 20, 2019 16:06:15 GMT
How much more drastic can it be than bottom. I can see some improvement but promotion is the goal according to Coates... They don't even publish form tables for as short a period as three games. you dont need one after 24 games in charge........
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 20, 2019 16:06:30 GMT
We've never had a Technical Director as most people understand it, have we? Everyone has had Carto's title wrong all these years. He was Pyrotechnics Director - make a signing and watch the fireworks fly!
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 20, 2019 16:19:02 GMT
wonder if he likes pizza
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Post by rawli on Aug 20, 2019 16:31:09 GMT
Not quite sure what your trying to say ? There was literally a segment on talkSPORT talking about Brighton’s signing policy. It was called the DBAD ( Don’t be a dickhead ) policy, where they check players personality and whether they would fit the group they already have rather than just signing decent players. I like the idea as that is what we have essentially been trying to do this summer, but without the amusing name. Shame we can't implement the same policy on supporters...... We'd miss you though 😀
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 20, 2019 16:32:59 GMT
"Head of recruitment", "Technical Director" blah-de-blah-de-blah.....
Whatever happened to the manager bringing in players himself (within budget of course)?
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Post by Veritas on Aug 20, 2019 16:36:57 GMT
"Head of recruitment", "Technical Director" blah-de-blah-de-blah..... Whatever happened to the manager bringing in players himself (within budget of course)? For good or ill it is a thing of the past, gone never to return.
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Post by Gods on Aug 20, 2019 16:51:09 GMT
I'll be honest, I've never heard of this bloke.
Still, good luck to him, whatever it is he does.
I'm sure we are feathering his pocket generously.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 20, 2019 17:00:08 GMT
I think it will have to be drastic to see NJ leave stoke, I certainly don't want him to I think results will follow now we are playing good attacking football. How much more drastic can it be than bottom. I can see some improvement but promotion is the goal according to Coates... I just hope NJ is more loyal to stoke than some fans are to him when he starts getting the results to match the football because some big clubs will be interested. Promotion is the goal but they wont sack a young up & coming manager who plays attacking football, especially if he is notably improving. NJ arrived at a cluster fuck of a club and in one summer he has changed nearly half the squad and spent next to nothing apart from vokes. These players all need time to settle in and gel as a team and into the system, but allready there are signs of better football & attitude. Wait until they are more familiar with each other and the systems, it will improve further. He's going nowhere fast this guy isn't, unless hes poached from us. Results are in the post
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 20, 2019 17:06:21 GMT
"Head of recruitment", "Technical Director" blah-de-blah-de-blah..... Whatever happened to the manager bringing in players himself (within budget of course)? The century changed.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 20, 2019 17:54:02 GMT
I don't really understand why supporters get suckered by this 'techincal director' and 'head coach' stuff, just because it's new and a bit 'moneyball'.
I appreciate that the days of a manager digging into his contacts book and signing a load of players from Portsmouth and Sunderland reserves are now long gone and that we're in a global game, but that just means that you have to have a robust scouting system. The idea that the technical director has to be responsible for the club's whole playing philosophy and transfers just means that they're doing the bulk of the manager's job, but with considerably less scrutiny and oversight. Meanwhile, the manager himself (or 'head coach') is little more than an assistant manager with a very short lifespan. His job is pretty much limited to putting the cones out at training.
I suppose it's partly the fault of the media and supporters, really. Were it not for the fact that we now demand a manager's head after three bad results and deify managers who practically guarantee one season of short term success with no long term prospects - see Ancelotti and Mourinho for examples of this. If managers were given a proper tenure based on long term prospects then there would be no need for technical directors.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 20, 2019 17:59:04 GMT
For those who think jones has little time I think this shows he’s going to get time and is bringing in his own staff from top to bottom.. Yeah that tells you he's here for long haul come what may.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 20, 2019 18:01:40 GMT
We've never had a Technical Director as most people understand it, have we? Wasn't Rudge labelled as a Technical Director?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 20, 2019 18:10:35 GMT
I don’t see why we need anyone. This is the managerial team’s job. With all due respect to smaller clubs, we’re a championship club with a premiership setup. This isn’t some league 2 setup where the management team oversees every facet of the club, from the signing of players to the strength of the tea. This is a big job and delegation of responsibilities to trusted personnel is of utmost importance. We're a million miles from a PL set up. It takes more than a fancy training ground.
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Post by potter25 on Aug 20, 2019 18:12:12 GMT
For those who think jones has little time I think this shows he’s going to get time and is bringing in his own staff from top to bottom.. Yeah that tells you he's here for long haul come what may. hope so mate
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 20, 2019 18:36:37 GMT
With all due respect to smaller clubs, we’re a championship club with a premiership setup. This isn’t some league 2 setup where the management team oversees every facet of the club, from the signing of players to the strength of the tea. This is a big job and delegation of responsibilities to trusted personnel is of utmost importance. We're a million miles from a PL set up. It takes more than a fancy training ground. First sentence. IMHO.......Bang on
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2019 18:50:03 GMT
What was his role at Brighton?
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 20, 2019 19:02:11 GMT
Shame we can't implement the same policy on supporters...... We'd miss you though 😀
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 20, 2019 19:39:11 GMT
We've never had a Technical Director as most people understand it, have we? Wasn't Rudge labelled as a Technical Director? It wasn't my label for him Gary. Not even close
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 19:47:47 GMT
With all due respect to smaller clubs, we’re a championship club with a premiership setup. This isn’t some league 2 setup where the management team oversees every facet of the club, from the signing of players to the strength of the tea. This is a big job and delegation of responsibilities to trusted personnel is of utmost importance. We're a million miles from a PL set up. It takes more than a fancy training ground. We’re not though are we. You’re just saying that because it’s an opportunity to denigrate the club.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 20, 2019 21:08:35 GMT
We're a million miles from a PL set up. It takes more than a fancy training ground. We’re not though are we. You’re just saying that because it’s an opportunity to denigrate the club. Well we are. The list is endless. Poorly run football wise No football expertise in the ownership/ceo Matchday experience shocking Parking Ticketing Hygiene Do I need to go on?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 20, 2019 21:16:04 GMT
We’re not though are we. You’re just saying that because it’s an opportunity to denigrate the club. Well we are. The list is endless. Poorly run football wise No football expertise in the ownership/ceo Matchday experience shocking Parking Ticketing Hygiene Do I need to go on? The second on your list is mind blowing and with Mr Coates senior now deep in the background we desperately need to address it , but of course the challenge is we have to recognise it first and then give up any vested interest in maintaining the status quo .
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 20, 2019 21:27:56 GMT
We're a million miles from a PL set up. It takes more than a fancy training ground. We’re not though are we. You’re just saying that because it’s an opportunity to denigrate the club. It’s all about opinions and whether you consider criticism being constructive, fair, balanced or otherwise. However; The facts are; 1. We had a recruitment policy that was not fit for purpose and was the most significant factor in our demise from rock solid to shambolic. 2. The stewardship of the club under the current CEO has just had a financial meltdown. Massive loss of revenue and loss on transfers 3. The match day experience is “adequate” at best. There are numerous examples of incompetence and a lack of interest. Very few organisations are perfect. The best organisations set the bar for others to attain, continually monitor standards and always seek improvement (setting the bar higher all the time). If you believe SCFC currently falls within scope of the “best organisations” that’s fair enough. Other stakeholders have higher and reasonable expectations
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 22:28:10 GMT
I don't really understand why supporters get suckered by this 'techincal director' and 'head coach' stuff, just because it's new and a bit 'moneyball'. I appreciate that the days of a manager digging into his contacts book and signing a load of players from Portsmouth and Sunderland reserves are now long gone and that we're in a global game, but that just means that you have to have a robust scouting system. The idea that the technical director has to be responsible for the club's whole playing philosophy and transfers just means that they're doing the bulk of the manager's job, but with considerably less scrutiny and oversight. Meanwhile, the manager himself (or 'head coach') is little more than an assistant manager with a very short lifespan. His job is pretty much limited to putting the cones out at training. I suppose it's partly the fault of the media and supporters, really. Were it not for the fact that we now demand a manager's head after three bad results and deify managers who practically guarantee one season of short term success with no long term prospects - see Ancelotti and Mourinho for examples of this. If managers were given a proper tenure based on long term prospects then there would be no need for technical directors. Nobody is getting suckered by anyone or anything. Supporters have always been short fused, even in the days of Harry Redknapps encyclopaedic knowledge of the Rothmans. What changed was top level football and the prize money, and with it a demand to get as many transfers right as possible at all levels of the business, and an acceptance at boardroom level at least, that it was and is too big for the manager in this day and age to cover all by himself. What followed, as a natural adaptation of that system, was a boardroom level philosophy linked to a Technical Director with a head coach recruited based on that philosophy. That is exactly what happened at Huddersfield and Norwich, all linked to budget and a need to get quality for very little to bridge the gap. The manager was recruited to suit that requirement and players bought in that suited both. At the top level it's even more complex than that.
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Post by pretzel on Aug 20, 2019 23:09:25 GMT
We'd do better bringing in a head of disposal rather than a head of recruitment
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Post by kustokie on Aug 20, 2019 23:44:46 GMT
Well we are. The list is endless. Poorly run football wise No football expertise in the ownership/ceo Matchday experience shocking Parking Ticketing Hygiene Do I need to go on? The second on your list is mind blowing and with Mr Coates senior now deep in the background we desperately need to address it , but of course the challenge is we have to recognise it first and then give up any vested interest in maintaining the status quo . The item on the list is equally mind blowing considering Peter Coates has a background in the catering business.
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 21, 2019 6:44:50 GMT
Brighton seem to have recruited heavily from abroad over the past couple of years. Doesn’t really tie in with our new Brexit policy. Don't worry we're also recruiting a club genealogist and geneticist - and stock piling the half time oranges. And a gynaecologist. We have plenty of cunts to deal with and hopefully get rid of.
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2019 7:03:49 GMT
What was his role at Brighton? From what I can gather no one really knew, I wonder if they just got fed up of him wandering around wearing out the carpets in the end :-)
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 21, 2019 8:02:22 GMT
The second on your list is mind blowing and with Mr Coates senior now deep in the background we desperately need to address it , but of course the challenge is we have to recognise it first and then give up any vested interest in maintaining the status quo . The item on the list is equally mind blowing considering Peter Coates has a background in the catering business. It’s even more mind blowing as the major shareholders of the catering service providers are the whole of the Coates family
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2019 8:11:24 GMT
Just another whipping boy.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2019 8:18:10 GMT
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