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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 16:31:23 GMT
I know it's a "cultural" thing but I feel that the All Blacks have greatly expanded the significance of the haka over the years so that it's now become a large part of the "marketing and PR" image of the team. The media love it and use it to enhance their reporting about the "romance" of the team.
If they didn't perform the haka then NZ would presumably still be portrayed as the "number one team" but perhaps without the media going overboard about them quite as much as they do.
I thought it was quite apparent watching the England game last weekend that the ITV commentators seemed to get more excited than they perhaps should have done when NZ scored their try. It was almost as if they were willing NZ to win the game (in much the same way they build up Brazil games) so that the media would have the final they wanted, in this case I think they wanted NZ v Wales as it would have been Gatland's last game in charge.
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Post by Gifton on Oct 30, 2019 16:53:57 GMT
If England players wanted to Morris Dance they could, at the same time as NZ do the haka. There is also no law stating the opposition have to stand and watch the haka. The only law is that you must not enter the oppositions half. There is they have to respect cultural traditions/ challenges and England have been fined. If they walked away or danced in response they would breach that law and be fined. I stand corrected then! So would England be allowed to also submit a challenge?
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 30, 2019 16:57:18 GMT
There is they have to respect cultural traditions/ challenges and England have been fined. If they walked away or danced in response they would breach that law and be fined. I stand corrected then! So would England be allowed to also submit a challenge? If it were "cultural" they could I suppose they would have to get pissed and goad strangers to a fight 😁 not sure what else they could do.
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Post by thequietman on Oct 30, 2019 16:58:02 GMT
I know it's a "cultural" thing but I feel that the All Blacks have greatly expanded the significance of the haka over the years so that it's now become a large part of the "marketing and PR" image of the team. The media love it and use it to enhance their reporting about the "romance" of the team. If they didn't perform the haka then NZ would presumably still be portrayed as the "number one team" but perhaps without the media going overboard about them quite as much as they do. I thought it was quite apparent watching the England game last weekend that the ITV commentators seemed to get more excited than they perhaps should have done when NZ scored their try. It was almost as if they were willing NZ to win the game (in much the same way they build up Brazil games) so that the media would have the final they wanted, in this case I think they wanted NZ v Wales as it would have been Gatland's last game in charge. To be honest, if I was playing them I'd stand at a respectful distance & stare at them whilst they performed it. Then when they did the tongues-out "Baaaah" bit at the end, I'd turn round & bare my ar5e at them. Then run away as fast as I could, of course. It'd be worth the fine.
As for the Saffers on Satdee, I believe the traditional routine is to shoot Springboks, is it not? Or should spears be used?
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 30, 2019 17:20:17 GMT
I know it's a "cultural" thing but I feel that the All Blacks have greatly expanded the significance of the haka over the years so that it's now become a large part of the "marketing and PR" image of the team. The media love it and use it to enhance their reporting about the "romance" of the team. If they didn't perform the haka then NZ would presumably still be portrayed as the "number one team" but perhaps without the media going overboard about them quite as much as they do. I thought it was quite apparent watching the England game last weekend that the ITV commentators seemed to get more excited than they perhaps should have done when NZ scored their try. It was almost as if they were willing NZ to win the game (in much the same way they build up Brazil games) so that the media would have the final they wanted, in this case I think they wanted NZ v Wales as it would have been Gatland's last game in charge. To be honest, if I was playing them I'd stand at a respectful distance & stare at them whilst they performed it. Then when they did the tongues-out "Baaaah" bit at the end, I'd turn round & bare my ar5e at them. Then run away as fast as I could, of course. It'd be worth the fine. As for the Saffers on Satdee, I believe the traditional routine is to shoot Springboks, is it not? Or should spears be used?
Hit them with this
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2019 18:10:15 GMT
I know it's a "cultural" thing but I feel that the All Blacks have greatly expanded the significance of the haka over the years so that it's now become a large part of the "marketing and PR" image of the team. The media love it and use it to enhance their reporting about the "romance" of the team. If they didn't perform the haka then NZ would presumably still be portrayed as the "number one team" but perhaps without the media going overboard about them quite as much as they do. I thought it was quite apparent watching the England game last weekend that the ITV commentators seemed to get more excited than they perhaps should have done when NZ scored their try. It was almost as if they were willing NZ to win the game (in much the same way they build up Brazil games) so that the media would have the final they wanted, in this case I think they wanted NZ v Wales as it would have been Gatland's last game in charge. It's a Maori custom isn't it? So are the non-Maori members of the team commiting cultural appropriation? 😉
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2019 18:40:55 GMT
All Blacks are the Brazil of the R’f’U & fawned over. Should the Australians be allowed to sing Tie my kangaroo down, Sport as their anthem. Anyway, Rugby is like a game that a committee of over enthusiastic children invented. The line-out, the scrum, the ruck, the knock-on/readjustment. I'm a big Rugby Union fan but completely agree with your comment about the All Blacks. They have always seemed to receive the same "preferential" treatment from the media that Brazil does in football. If anything I think it's become even worse in more recent times. I watched the England v NZ game last weekend and it seemed to my (obviously English biased) ear that even the ITV commentators become more excited when NZ scored their try, and I don't think it was because it potentially made the game more of a contest. I've had this discussion with one of my mates, which rugby countries have an equivalent at football World Cups? NZ - Brazil (fawned over). Australia - Argentina (two World Cups but can implode). SA - Italy (successful but generally dull to watch). England - Germany (usually there or thereabouts and have reached finals in the past despite being rubbish (2007)). France - Holland (runners up a few times, can beat anyone on their day but can implode). Wales - England (massive hype, some arrogance yet no Finals to back it up). Fiji/Samoa/Tonga - whichever African teams are in vogue (some big shocks down the years but not quite good enough to win).
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 30, 2019 18:44:26 GMT
To be honest, if I was playing them I'd stand at a respectful distance & stare at them whilst they performed it. Then when they did the tongues-out "Baaaah" bit at the end, I'd turn round & bare my ar5e at them. Then run away as fast as I could, of course. It'd be worth the fine. As for the Saffers on Satdee, I believe the traditional routine is to shoot Springboks, is it not? Or should spears be used?
Hit them with this This is more culturally acceptable as British😁
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 18:52:01 GMT
I'm a big Rugby Union fan but completely agree with your comment about the All Blacks. They have always seemed to receive the same "preferential" treatment from the media that Brazil does in football. If anything I think it's become even worse in more recent times. I watched the England v NZ game last weekend and it seemed to my (obviously English biased) ear that even the ITV commentators become more excited when NZ scored their try, and I don't think it was because it potentially made the game more of a contest. I've had this discussion with one of my mates, which rugby countries have an equivalent at football World Cups? NZ - Brazil (fawned over). Australia - Argentina (two World Cups but can implode). SA - Italy (successful but generally dull to watch). England - Germany (usually there or thereabouts and have reached finals in the past despite being rubbish (2007)). France - Holland (runners up a few times, can beat anyone on their day but can implode). Wales - England (massive hype, some arrogance yet no Finals to back it up). Fiji/Samoa/Tonga - whichever African teams are in vogue (some big shocks down the years but not quite good enough to win). That's a good list and I agree with the choice of countries and the comments as well. I've been trying to think of football equivalents for Scotland and Ireland but have drawn a blank so far. Actually Scotland's football team is probably a good equivalent for it's rugby team as they're both pretty dire.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2019 19:01:32 GMT
I've had this discussion with one of my mates, which rugby countries have an equivalent at football World Cups? NZ - Brazil (fawned over). Australia - Argentina (two World Cups but can implode). SA - Italy (successful but generally dull to watch). England - Germany (usually there or thereabouts and have reached finals in the past despite being rubbish (2007)). France - Holland (runners up a few times, can beat anyone on their day but can implode). Wales - England (massive hype, some arrogance yet no Finals to back it up). Fiji/Samoa/Tonga - whichever African teams are in vogue (some big shocks down the years but not quite good enough to win). That's a good list and I agree with the choice of countries and the comments as well. I've been trying to think of football equivalents for Scotland and Ireland but have drawn a blank so far. Actually Scotland's football team is probably a good equivalent for it's rugby team as they're both pretty dire. Ireland and Scotland are difficult. Closest I can get for Ireland is maybe Spain but the Spain that used to bottle it before they became successful? Especially as they have strong club sides. Scotland? Sweden maybe- reached a semi in the 90s. Argentina- Portugal?
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 30, 2019 19:31:12 GMT
To be honest, if I was playing them I'd stand at a respectful distance & stare at them whilst they performed it. Then when they did the tongues-out "Baaaah" bit at the end, I'd turn round & bare my ar5e at them. Then run away as fast as I could, of course. It'd be worth the fine. As for the Saffers on Satdee, I believe the traditional routine is to shoot Springboks, is it not? Or should spears be used?
Hit them with this I quite like a spot of morris dancing But I’m not so sure about Abotts Bromley Horn dancing...
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Post by basingstokie on Oct 30, 2019 19:50:29 GMT
That's a good list and I agree with the choice of countries and the comments as well. I've been trying to think of football equivalents for Scotland and Ireland but have drawn a blank so far. Actually Scotland's football team is probably a good equivalent for it's rugby team as they're both pretty dire. Ireland and Scotland are difficult. Closest I can get for Ireland is maybe Spain but the Spain that used to bottle it before they became successful? Especially as they have strong club sides. Scotland? Sweden maybe- reached a semi in the 90s. Argentina- Portugal? All good choices. For Scotland RFC I'd go for Russia Rugby, qualified, but TBH just making up the numbers, they'll never be there when it gets serious
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Post by thevoid on Oct 30, 2019 20:53:33 GMT
Ireland and Scotland are difficult. Closest I can get for Ireland is maybe Spain but the Spain that used to bottle it before they became successful? Especially as they have strong club sides. Scotland? Sweden maybe- reached a semi in the 90s. Argentina- Portugal? All good choices. For Scotland RFC I'd go for Russia Rugby, qualified, but TBH just making up the numbers, they'll never be there when it gets serious It's the kind of convo me and my mucker have after a few pints of Blue Moon.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 30, 2019 21:14:29 GMT
I know it's a "cultural" thing but I feel that the All Blacks have greatly expanded the significance of the haka over the years so that it's now become a large part of the "marketing and PR" image of the team. The media love it and use it to enhance their reporting about the "romance" of the team. If they didn't perform the haka then NZ would presumably still be portrayed as the "number one team" but perhaps without the media going overboard about them quite as much as they do. I thought it was quite apparent watching the England game last weekend that the ITV commentators seemed to get more excited than they perhaps should have done when NZ scored their try. It was almost as if they were willing NZ to win the game (in much the same way they build up Brazil games) so that the media would have the final they wanted, in this case I think they wanted NZ v Wales as it would have been Gatland's last game in charge. I'm sorry but you are seriously saying you think the English commentator wanted a New Zealand v Wales final? His voice sounded excited but I think it was because the try was unexpected, no one was expecting us to concede a try like that and I took it as him sounding shocked rather than rooting for New Zeland. I can't agree with that at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 21:17:17 GMT
Fair enough - it just sounded that way to me.
Probably it was nerves getting to me !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 8:43:10 GMT
Eddie's named an unchanged team for the final.
Getting nervous now !
Come on England !
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 31, 2019 9:30:09 GMT
Eddie's named an unchanged team for the final. Getting nervous now ! Come on England ! Keep your nerve Dee 👊
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 31, 2019 9:49:24 GMT
Eddie's named an unchanged team for the final. Getting nervous now ! Come on England ! You have not made the team then Dee?
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Post by elystokie on Oct 31, 2019 10:29:48 GMT
All good choices. For Scotland RFC I'd go for Russia Rugby, qualified, but TBH just making up the numbers, they'll never be there when it gets serious It's the kind of convo me and my mucker have after a few pints of Blue Moon. That stuff is lethal, I'm surprised you can remember the discussions you have!
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Post by thevoid on Oct 31, 2019 11:40:19 GMT
It's the kind of convo me and my mucker have after a few pints of Blue Moon. That stuff is lethal, I'm surprised you can remember the discussions you have! Cracking beer though.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 31, 2019 12:19:33 GMT
That stuff is lethal, I'm surprised you can remember the discussions you have! Cracking beer though. Indeed it is, as is Hoegaarden, I got my knuckles rapped on here a while back by someone for espousing their virtues tho I struggle to resist when I'm in The Glebe :/
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Post by thequietman on Oct 31, 2019 12:22:50 GMT
Eddie's named an unchanged team for the final. Getting nervous now ! Come on England ! You have not made the team then Dee? He's on the bench to replace me when needed, Bigjohn. Specifically, I'm going to moon at the Saffers, Dee's going to take the blame & do the running away bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 12:28:18 GMT
Eddie's named an unchanged team for the final. Getting nervous now ! Come on England ! You have not made the team then Dee? It's all a bit too scary for me Big John I remember how hard it was at the level that I used to play at, but the intensity and ferocity that these guys play at must be absolutely incredible. As JD says he's going to show them his backside and then I'll take the blame and run away - sounds like a really good plan to me !
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 1, 2019 9:19:54 GMT
I'm convinced the 3-4th play off is pointless. Watching this I'm not sure it's worth it neither team seem fully committed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 14:12:42 GMT
I couldn't be bothered to watch the Wales v NZ game this morning - it's all pretty pointless isn't it ?
Hope England haven't peaked a week too early and that we can put in another brilliant performance tomorrow and win without it being too nerve racking.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 2, 2019 9:01:11 GMT
Here it is, come on England.
You would think against a defensive side like South Africa we will use the drop goal to put points on the board and try to force them to be more expansive to create more space.
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 2, 2019 9:01:46 GMT
Good luck boys.
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Post by zerps on Nov 2, 2019 9:13:20 GMT
Terrible start
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Post by dexta on Nov 2, 2019 9:14:23 GMT
Weather the storm lads
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 2, 2019 9:14:48 GMT
All SA so far...come on England.
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