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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 12:04:14 GMT
To be fair it's rare we have a gk gifting us goals Schmeichel and QPR's keeper handed Afobe and Vokes chances on a plate.
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Post by onionman on Aug 12, 2019 12:10:43 GMT
Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? I think Rowett won 2 in a row once, including an away win against either Norwich or Bristol City. I’d be interested to know the last time before that. It’s probably another one for our long list of embarrassing statistics. Only once in 100 games have we won 2 in a row would be my guess. And when was the last time we won 3 in a row? We’re talking several years. Did we manage it in the early Hughes years? Do we have to go back to the time Huth scored the winner at Everton which was part of a 4 game winning run?
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 12:13:48 GMT
Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? I think Rowett won 2 in a row once, including an away win against either Norwich or Bristol City. I’d be interested to know the last time before that. It’s probably another one for our long list of embarrassing statistics. Only once in 100 games have we won 2 in a row would be my guess. And when was the last time we won 3 in a row? We’re talking several years. Did we manage it in the early Hughes years? Do we have to go back to the time Huth scored the winner at Everton which was part of a 4 game winning run? The last time we won three in a row was in October 2016 against Sunderland, Hull and Swansea. We managed it twice the season before.
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Post by onionman on Aug 12, 2019 13:03:18 GMT
I think Rowett won 2 in a row once, including an away win against either Norwich or Bristol City. I’d be interested to know the last time before that. It’s probably another one for our long list of embarrassing statistics. Only once in 100 games have we won 2 in a row would be my guess. And when was the last time we won 3 in a row? We’re talking several years. Did we manage it in the early Hughes years? Do we have to go back to the time Huth scored the winner at Everton which was part of a 4 game winning run? The last time we won three in a row was in October 2016 against Sunderland, Hull and Swansea. We managed it twice the season before. Three years ago but feels like another lifetime.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 13:03:40 GMT
Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? After Saturday's performance I'm actually feeling a lot more positive for the season than I was a week ago. It's a long hard season.It may take more time than we all hoped for. Aston Villa got promoted to the Prem despite only getting 18 points from their opening 15 matches. I understand people looking at Jones' overall record here and writing him off but for me he's had 2 games with his own team. Being without our best defender and midfielder hasn't helped but that can't be used as an excuse with the size of the squad. If we play like we did against Charlton this Saturday then I think we'll win.
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 12, 2019 13:36:59 GMT
I'm disappointed with our start to the season but I'm more disappointed with two mistakes in two games by an alleged international class gk. That is not Jones's fault and without those mistakes we may have at least drawn the two games. I'm convinced that had we scored first against QPR our nerves would have settled and we'd have played better and won. Should Butland be dropped? That's the difficult decision for the manager as I've no doubt he would like the biggest fee possible to enable him to have money for January. Neither is it his fault that our shots on target stats are awful. I haven't seen any of the Charlton game but noticed they scored three goals from three shots whereas we scored one from twelve of which only three were on target. Now we are back with the panic mode mentality from last season which will take a lot of work to overcome. Thanks Jack. Personally I wouldn't drop Butland at the moment. Butland has a big ego, it's clear to see. I worry that if we drop him for Derby he'll push a move through overseas, saying that; if we had an offer of 25m+ i'd take it. I think when we get some wins Jack will improve.
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 13:55:46 GMT
Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? After Saturday's performance I'm actually feeling a lot more positive for the season than I was a week ago. It's a long hard season.It may take more time than we all hoped for. Aston Villa got promoted to the Prem despite only getting 18 points from their opening 15 matches. I understand people looking at Jones' overall record here and writing him off but for me he's had 2 games with his own team. Being without our best defender and midfielder hasn't helped but that can't be used as an excuse with the size of the squad. If we play like we did against Charlton this Saturday then I think we'll win. People keep pointing out that Sheffield United, Norwich, Villa and even Fulham won promotion after poor starts to the season, but again, look at Villa's form last season. After they drew with us they won TEN consecutive games! The season before, Fulham won 17 of their final 23 games and lost just once. With the best will in the world, do you really see a team who hasn't scored three goals in a game for getting on two years and can't string consecutive victories together managing that?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 14:10:37 GMT
After Saturday's performance I'm actually feeling a lot more positive for the season than I was a week ago. It's a long hard season.It may take more time than we all hoped for. Aston Villa got promoted to the Prem despite only getting 18 points from their opening 15 matches. I understand people looking at Jones' overall record here and writing him off but for me he's had 2 games with his own team. Being without our best defender and midfielder hasn't helped but that can't be used as an excuse with the size of the squad. If we play like we did against Charlton this Saturday then I think we'll win. People keep pointing out that Sheffield United, Norwich, Villa and even Fulham won promotion after poor starts to the season, but again, look at Villa's form last season. After they drew with us they won TEN consecutive games! The season before, Fulham won 17 of their final 23 games and lost just once. With the best will in the world, do you really see a team who hasn't scored three goals in a game for getting on two years and can't string consecutive victories together managing that? Yes,these things do happen! Before Villa drew with us they'd won 1 out of their previous 10. Anything's possible with a bit of momentum and confidence.
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 14:18:50 GMT
People keep pointing out that Sheffield United, Norwich, Villa and even Fulham won promotion after poor starts to the season, but again, look at Villa's form last season. After they drew with us they won TEN consecutive games! The season before, Fulham won 17 of their final 23 games and lost just once. With the best will in the world, do you really see a team who hasn't scored three goals in a game for getting on two years and can't string consecutive victories together managing that? Yes,these things do happen! Before Villa drew with us they'd won 1 out of their previous 10. Anything's possible with a bit of momentum and confidence. Your optimism is to be admired, but these things don't happen to Stoke City. There's a reason why we are quite probably English football's biggest under-achievers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 12, 2019 14:19:24 GMT
If he's to avoid the boot, he has to win some matches very fucking quickly. In that regard it is fully in his own hands. I think if we fail to get a win in the next three League games then he's surely toast.
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 12, 2019 14:21:18 GMT
If he's to avoid the boot, he has to win some matches very fucking quickly. In that regard it is fully in his own hands. I think if we fail to get a win in the next three League games then he's surely toast. Unless they are 3 consecutive trouncings with no sight of any positivity the bloke is going nowhere. This is a project. It won't happen anyway, I saw enough Saturday to lead me to believe will will see an improvement in results starting at Wigan.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 14:24:41 GMT
Yes,these things do happen! Before Villa drew with us they'd won 1 out of their previous 10. Anything's possible with a bit of momentum and confidence. Your optimism is to be admired, but these things don't happen to Stoke City. There's a reason why we are quite probably English football's biggest under-achievers.
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 14:30:39 GMT
Your optimism is to be admired, but these things don't happen to Stoke City. There's a reason why we are quite probably English football's biggest under-achievers. What's funny?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 12, 2019 14:31:44 GMT
If he's to avoid the boot, he has to win some matches very fucking quickly. In that regard it is fully in his own hands. I think if we fail to get a win in the next three League games then he's surely toast. Unless they are 3 consecutive trouncings with no sight of any positivity the bloke is going nowhere. This is a project. It won't happen anyway, I saw enough Saturday to lead me to believe will will see an improvement in results starting at Wigan. Whats the cut off point for "Project Nath' though? 3 in 28? 3 in 30? 3 in 35? At some point he needs not just a win but several or the axe will fall. That's football.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 12, 2019 14:46:37 GMT
If he's to avoid the boot, he has to win some matches very fucking quickly. In that regard it is fully in his own hands. I think if we fail to get a win in the next three League games then he's surely toast. I can’t see him going 5 games into a new season, unless we get dry bummed in each of the next 3. I reckon he’ll get 10-12 games and in that time, we’d expect a minimum of 5 wins. So in my opinion he’s got to win 5 from the next 8-10. Tough ask.
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Post by Gods on Aug 12, 2019 14:50:31 GMT
People keep pointing out that Sheffield United, Norwich, Villa and even Fulham won promotion after poor starts to the season, but again, look at Villa's form last season. After they drew with us they won TEN consecutive games! The season before, Fulham won 17 of their final 23 games and lost just once. With the best will in the world, do you really see a team who hasn't scored three goals in a game for getting on two years and can't string consecutive victories together managing that? Yes,these things do happen! Before Villa drew with us they'd won 1 out of their previous 10. Anything's possible with a bit of momentum and confidence. Good to see a man who can find hope in the very air we breathe. The notion that we might suddenly rattle off 6 wins in a row is frankly laughable. We win about 6 matches a season !
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Post by serpico on Aug 12, 2019 14:58:12 GMT
If he's to avoid the boot, he has to win some matches very fucking quickly. In that regard it is fully in his own hands. I think if we fail to get a win in the next three League games then he's surely toast. I can’t see him going 5 games into a new season, unless we get dry bummed in each of the next 3. I reckon he’ll get 10-12 games and in that time, we’d expect a minimum of 5 wins. So in my opinion he’s got to win 5 from the next 8-10. Tough ask. We’ve conceded 5 against two poor sides so a dry bumming or two isn’t totally out of the question against the better sides, is it ? ... I agree though, I think Coates gives him a bear minimum of 10 games.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 12, 2019 15:06:12 GMT
I can’t see him going 5 games into a new season, unless we get dry bummed in each of the next 3. I reckon he’ll get 10-12 games and in that time, we’d expect a minimum of 5 wins. So in my opinion he’s got to win 5 from the next 8-10. Tough ask. We’ve conceded 5 against two poor sides so a dry bumming or two isn’t totally out of the question against the better sides, is it ? ... I agree though, I think Coates gives him a bear minimum of 10 games. Yeah, not saying it’s out of the question, but unless we get 3 humiliations I can’t see him getting the axe. A couple of scruffy 0-0 draws and a 1-0 defeat, for example, and i’d be amazed if they sacked him. For that reason I don’t think he’s GOT to win one of the next three to save his job.. I don’t think the board are taking last season into account much, but as this season wears on the pressure will grow.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 12, 2019 15:12:31 GMT
We've only had all our signings available for one match. Etebo arguably our best player at the end of last season is not yet available. We lost our captain in unfortunate circumstances and despite what many on here say he is a brilliant captain especially at organising the defence. Do you really expect us to be flying at the moment? Jones has got to be given the whole of this season and into next unless we are seriously in relegation trouble at Christmas which I doubt.
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Post by serpico on Aug 12, 2019 15:28:11 GMT
Coates always gives his managers a fair shake, there’s no danger of him getting sacked inside the first 10-12 games unless it goes totally tits up.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 12, 2019 15:37:18 GMT
Coates always gives his managers a fair shake, there’s no danger of him getting sacked inside the first 10-12 games unless it goes totally tits up. Vanilla , Chocolate or Banana 😎
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 15:46:52 GMT
I was agreeing but laughing at your second line.Don't be so touchy!!
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 15:49:52 GMT
I was agreeing but laughing at your second line.Don't be so touchy!! True though isn't it?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 15:51:41 GMT
I was agreeing but laughing at your second line.Don't be so touchy!! True though isn't it? Unfortunately so,yes,hence the nodding head!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 12, 2019 15:53:50 GMT
We've only had all our signings available for one match. Etebo arguably our best player at the end of last season is not yet available. We lost our captain in unfortunate circumstances and despite what many on here say he is a brilliant captain especially at organising the defence. Do you really expect us to be flying at the moment? Jones has got to be given the whole of this season and into next unless we are seriously in relegation trouble at Christmas which I doubt. Another six matches on present form and he's a goner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 16:16:01 GMT
I find the Sheffield Utd comparison an interesting one - for various reasons - and thought I'd share this thread which followed their opening day defeat to Swansea, which followed 7 losses in their last 20 games of the 17/18 season which lost them a place in the play-offs and finished 10th: "He's made some very questionable decisions, like leaving our most creative player out of the team on a regular basis and not seeming bothered about replacing an inept left wing back."Sounds familiar They went on and lost their next game 3-0 before heading out on a winning streak. Of course, Norwich were even worse - 6 games played, just drew with bottom club Ipswich (a game in which they managed a whole two shots on target), and needless to say, locals were incredibly restless after witnessing (a slightly better record than ours) 4 wins in their previous 22 games which included a 4-1 hammering by QPR. This league is mental.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 16:32:37 GMT
I find the Sheffield Utd comparison an interesting one - for various reasons - and thought I'd share this thread which followed their opening day defeat to Swansea, which followed 7 losses in their last 20 games of the 17/18 season which lost them a place in the play-offs and finished 10th: "He's made some very questionable decisions, like leaving our most creative player out of the team on a regular basis and not seeming bothered about replacing an inept left wing back."Sounds familiar They went on and lost their next game 3-0 before heading out on a winning streak. Of course, Norwich were even worse - 6 games played, just drew with bottom club Ipswich (a game in which they managed a whole two shots on target), and needless to say, locals were incredibly restless after witnessing (a slightly better record than ours) 4 wins in their previous 22 games which included a 4-1 hammering by QPR. This league is mental. Wow, just wow. What a stunning thread that is!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 12, 2019 16:39:29 GMT
This stoke team isn't going to turn into a norwich or Sheffield utd. Our squad is full of lily-livered cowards who are shit at football.
We shouldn't have to emulate those teams anyway when you consider the amount of money we've chucked at it in recent years.
We are woefully incompetent from top to bottom and the chickens are coming home to roost.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 12, 2019 17:26:17 GMT
Unless they are 3 consecutive trouncings with no sight of any positivity the bloke is going nowhere. This is a project. It won't happen anyway, I saw enough Saturday to lead me to believe will will see an improvement in results starting at Wigan. Whats the cut off point for "Project Nath' though? 3 in 28? 3 in 30? 3 in 35? At some point he needs not just a win but several or the axe will fall. That's football. 'Project Nath' is a euphemism for Hughes' 'a side in transition'. Not that old shite again surely ? Look how long he got away with that one.
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 12, 2019 17:34:17 GMT
This stoke team isn't going to turn into a norwich or Sheffield utd. Our squad is full of lily-livered cowards who are shit at football. We shouldn't have to emulate those teams anyway when you consider the amount of money we've chucked at it in recent years. We are woefully incompetent from top to bottom and the chickens are coming home to roost. You could say the Sheff Utd players are shit at football too, theyve got no better players than what we have. They play as a team though, they got a run together, and they got promoted. Stoke could do better than Sheff Utd but those Utd players had no pressure of promotion looming over their heads.
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