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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 11, 2019 14:37:21 GMT
If you’re going to spout stats at least get them right🙄Norwich finished 14th with a record of 15 wins,15 draws and 16 defeats.At this moment in time Nathan can only dream of a record like that.I’m pretty sure if Farke had won 3 out of 23 in that season Delia would have sacked him Alright I got their league position wrong but that doesn't defeat the whole objective of this post. I think the league was stronger in 18/19 than it was in 17/18 yet Norwich finished on 60pts in Farke first season and we finished on 55pts last season, both are as bad as eachother. They gave Farke time and it worked brilliantly, that's why I think NJ just needs time. I'm just praying that he gets it personally. Liking your own posts🤔 |
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 11, 2019 14:41:19 GMT
Alright I got their league position wrong but that doesn't defeat the whole objective of this post. I think the league was stronger in 18/19 than it was in 17/18 yet Norwich finished on 60pts in Farke first season and we finished on 55pts last season, both are as bad as eachother. They gave Farke time and it worked brilliantly, that's why I think NJ just needs time. I'm just praying that he gets it personally. Liking your own posts🤔 I was meant to like your first reply 😂, forgive me im new to this stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 15:31:34 GMT
Not if we 'copy' Norrich. As explained by the OP. I'm with the guy 100% mate, but it would take some coming back from losing the first 6 games of the season, don't you think? I don't see that happening though. Nor do I. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 11, 2019 16:26:46 GMT
Jones will have us climbing up this league soon enough,so there.
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 11, 2019 16:32:04 GMT
Jones will have us climbing up this league soon enough,so there. I hope so, it's getting that bad a Middlesbrough fan I know is taking the piss out of Stoke. That can't be happening. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 11, 2019 16:32:47 GMT
'abcd1234' Go on then, who are you? People have user names for good reasons. |
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 11, 2019 16:39:36 GMT
I'm giving him a good 10-15 games before a rethink. Let's see what he can do. He's cleared out a few, added a few good players who happen to have the right mettle it seems. IMHO real fans wouldn't be wanting blood after two matches into a new season that is weak. One we looked terrible the other unlucky and shocked we didn't get a win. After this next four I think we should be able to have more to go on.
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Post by johnnypotter on Aug 11, 2019 17:30:33 GMT
Jones in 100%.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 11, 2019 17:41:28 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 11, 2019 18:27:13 GMT
This thread is for the "supporters" that think giving Jones the boot is a good idea. Here is a prime example of why giving managers time is important; Daniel Farke (Norwich City manager) got appointed boss on the 25th of May 2017. The Norwich fans had really high expectations of promotion for the next season even though this guy was unknown to them.The Norwich fans didn't know how his philosophy of playing 4-2-3-1 would work in the Championship. One year later in May 2018 Norwich finished 16th, they completely under-performed with the players they had and the Norwich fans wanted Farke sacked. Surprisingly the Norwich board backed Farke and decided to give him another season (2018/19). Norwich started poorly in the 18/19 season winning 1 out of their first 5, Farke looked like he was undoubtedly getting the boot. Yet again the board gave him more time, he turned it around and got Norwich promoted as Champions in the same season. I'm not saying the same will happen to Stoke but sometimes it's a good idea to get behind the manager. I think because our last 3 managers have been so crap we've all completely lost confidence in Jones already thinking he'll be like them. I know the stats about Jones and how many wins he's got since taking over and despite all of this i'd personally give him until May 2021. Unfortunately I think if we're looming round midtable this January the pressure from the fans will bring the board to sack Jones before he's been able to staple his philosophy. We can't keep sacking managers. Jones knows what he is doing, support him! "We'll be with you every step along the way"Don’t worry Mrs Jones we will be 😎 |
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Post by thehoof on Aug 11, 2019 18:37:25 GMT
I'm giving him a good 10-15 games before a rethink. Let's see what he can do. He's cleared out a few, added a few good players who happen to have the right mettle it seems. IMHO real fans wouldn't be wanting blood after two matches into a new season that is weak. One we looked terrible the other unlucky and shocked we didn't get a win. After this next four I think we should be able to have more to go on. Don’t talk about real fans , unless you are aware of their record of supporting the team. Literally most of the posters will have spent several thousand pounds over many years following this team, you may not agree with their opinions which is your right, but you are in no position to judge what constitutes a “real fan”. |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 11, 2019 18:41:06 GMT
We simply can’t keep sacking managers. He’s got the whole season and next summer at least in my view. That said, I thought we were far too hasty sacking Rowett.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 11, 2019 18:42:57 GMT
Shouldn't even be a debate this early into a new season. Sheff utd had a poor start to the season, promoted. Norwich didn't win in their first 6, promoted. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 12, 2019 7:23:17 GMT
I will keep everything crossed for Jones, i know he will do something special here if he has the time. Still can't believe Charlton beat us after that performance, but we will learn from it. It's a new team, just teething problems.
Jones has put down a foundation now and we have had a glimpse of how good we can be. I am still excited by this manager, Jones in for me all day long.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 12, 2019 8:04:10 GMT
I'm disappointed with our start to the season but I'm more disappointed with two mistakes in two games by an alleged international class gk. That is not Jones's fault and without those mistakes we may have at least drawn the two games. I'm convinced that had we scored first against QPR our nerves would have settled and we'd have played better and won. Should Butland be dropped? That's the difficult decision for the manager as I've no doubt he would like the biggest fee possible to enable him to have money for January. Neither is it his fault that our shots on target stats are awful. I haven't seen any of the Charlton game but noticed they scored three goals from three shots whereas we scored one from twelve of which only three were on target. Now we are back with the panic mode mentality from last season which will take a lot of work to overcome. Thanks Jack.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 9:08:45 GMT
Shouldn't even be a debate this early into a new season. Sheff utd had a poor start to the season, promoted. Norwich didn't win in their first 6, promoted. Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 12, 2019 9:11:14 GMT
Shouldn't even be a debate this early into a new season. Sheff utd had a poor start to the season, promoted. Norwich didn't win in their first 6, promoted. Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. calling out the manager after 2 games of a new season with 10 new players to bed in is crap. If I didn't support stoke and want them to win myself I'd wish relegation and administration on them that do it |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 12, 2019 9:14:23 GMT
He desperately needs a "drop" as it were. If Gregory's shot drops the otherside of the post I genuinely think we run away with that second half but not to be. As is, there comes a tipping point when the results become the be all and end all for a manager. We're not there yet with Jones but if he doesn't get a win soon then we'll be fast approaching it. Then the board have some serious wrangling to do. I'm so desperate for this to work and can see different facets working at different times, but it all needs to click together to work. He also needs to be brave enough to drop players whose names may be big but not equalled by that of their performance. Indeed, it's that bravery of lack of it that could make or break his tenure here.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 12, 2019 9:15:05 GMT
Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. calling out the manager after 2 games of a new season with 10 new players to bed in is crap. If I didn't support stoke and want them to win myself I'd wish relegation and administration on them that do it Oh,I know,I agree. |
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Post by BuckRogers on Aug 12, 2019 9:30:51 GMT
All we need is a run of games and a bit of luck and results will come. Players need time gel.
Calling for him be sacked after two games is a joke, considering the amount of new players we've had.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 12, 2019 9:32:36 GMT
I'm another for Jones in. The improvement was marked. Uncharacteristic from Jack, but I think he was partially sighted and we were unlucky at the other end. Another day that would have been a solid away win. But when the luck's not with you...
Big test of character for the lads, but we're definitely moving in the right direction.
We got a thing going on, me and Mister Jones...
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 12, 2019 9:44:46 GMT
I was meant to like your first reply 😂, forgive me im new to this stuff. Welcome to the Oatcake. Enjoy and learn to ignore the idiots and the Grammar/ Spelling Police 👮♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 10:54:21 GMT
Some may disagree but I refuse to judge Jones on last season, full stop.
It was a total clusterfuck, we just needed to get through the games and regroup ready for this season.
Two games and two defeats isn't what anyone wanted, but we have Etebo to come back, we have a new squad of players now (whatever you think of them) and we saw signs in the Charlton game of the type of football we could see on a regular basis under Jones. Gregory/Hogan looks like it could be a partnership to really threaten defences, Etebo will hopefully hit the ground running and drive the midfield forward, and the squad seems to be in a harmonious place with most of the deadwood being shipped out, or being kept away from the club.
All of this means nowt without the results to back it up, but we certainly shouldn't be panicking just yet.......
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Post by pb1863 on Aug 12, 2019 11:04:50 GMT
We will still hover around 5-8... give him time
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Post by cerebralstokie on Aug 12, 2019 11:13:11 GMT
Nottingham Forest have had 14 managers in 5 years, apparently, and they seem no better off for it. I think Nathan does need to be given time and fans will have to be patient. The problems at the club are very deep seated and go back several years. There is no such thing as a quick fix.
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 11:46:37 GMT
Shouldn't even be a debate this early into a new season. Sheff utd had a poor start to the season, promoted. Norwich didn't win in their first 6, promoted. Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? |
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Post by royalewithcheese on Aug 12, 2019 11:50:50 GMT
Norwich did win a game in their first 6,just the 1,they had 5 points from 6 games. Sheff U lost both of their first 2 games. Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? Charlton scored 3 yesterday. When was the last time we did that? |
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Post by Davef on Aug 12, 2019 11:58:39 GMT
Sheffield United did lose their first two matches, but they then won 8 of their next ten, which were achieved with two runs of four consecutive victories with a draw and a defeat sandwiched in between. They also won three consecutive games on four occasions last season. Norwich has runs of five, three (twice) and EIGHT (!) consecutive wins last season. Do you honestly see this team managing to do that? In fact, when was the last time we won two games on the trot, never mind four? Charlton scored 3 yesterday. When was the last time we did that? 73 games ago. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 12, 2019 12:00:58 GMT
To be fair it's rare we have a gk gifting us goals
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Post by ColonelMustard on Aug 12, 2019 12:03:50 GMT
I'm Jones in as we cannot keep backing managers and offing them. However, he needs to get bastard winning and soon.
His idea of getting promotion with the diamond is on life support. He might have to choose which is most important.
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