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Joe Allen
Aug 10, 2019 22:46:11 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 10, 2019 22:46:11 GMT
More and more? You’re a classical exponent of throwing shit and hope some sticks. Allen has to his credit convinced professional managers and coaches at all levels to “continually” pick him at league and international level. Minds might persuaded change (not) if they read the Oatcake, alternatively their ribs may ache with laughter No doubt you will respond. The Guinness Book of Records beckons But what does he offer? I'll answer the question. Lots of running around.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2019 22:52:50 GMT
Joe Allen ... he's like that lad who was the son of the Dad who managed your Sunday league youth team ...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 22:56:02 GMT
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Post by s8to on Aug 10, 2019 22:56:06 GMT
What does Joe Allen bring to this team mate? Not being an arse, im genuinely intrigued. Can I suggest you seek the views of professional managers and coaches who have considered his abilities to be adequate to play professional football at different league and international levels. Sorry any chance you could put this in the queens English please?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 22:58:10 GMT
Joe Allen ... he's like that lad who was the son of the Dad who managed your Sunday league youth team ... I always found that went one of two ways. They could either do no wrong or they did everything wrong 😂
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 23:00:24 GMT
More and more? You’re a classical exponent of throwing shit and hope some sticks. Allen has to his credit convinced professional managers and coaches at all levels to “continually” pick him at league and international level. Minds might persuaded change (not) if they read the Oatcake, alternatively their ribs may ache with laughter No doubt you will respond. The Guinness Book of Records beckons But what does he offer? I don’t know. Search out and seek the answers from professional football people who have chosen him to play consistently at different levels of professional league and international level football. Thats of course unless you know better and can put forward an alternative debatable and sensible discussion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 23:02:14 GMT
I don’t know. Search out and seek the answers from professional football people who have chosen him to play consistently at different levels of professional league and international level football. Thats of course unless you know better and can put forward an alternative debatable and sensible discussion. 😂😂😂 No let’s hear your opinion. It’s what we’re here for.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2019 23:10:03 GMT
I don’t know. Search out and seek the answers from professional football people who have chosen him to play consistently at different levels of professional league and international level football. Thats of course unless you know better and can put forward an alternative debatable and sensible discussion. There's not much point of contributing to a public football discussion forum if you're going to simply suggest that professional football people will always know better is there? What is your opinion?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 10, 2019 23:15:00 GMT
I don’t know. Search out and seek the answers from professional football people who have chosen him to play consistently at different levels of professional league and international level football. Thats of course unless you know better and can put forward an alternative debatable and sensible discussion. There's not much point of contributing to a public football discussion forum if you're going to simply suggest that professional football people will always know better is there? What is your opinion? Joe Allen. Good old wee Joe allen. I'm not intelligent enough to find the words to describe how wank he is.
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Post by onionman on Aug 10, 2019 23:17:16 GMT
I don’t know. Search out and seek the answers from professional football people who have chosen him to play consistently at different levels of professional league and international level football. Thats of course unless you know better and can put forward an alternative debatable and sensible discussion. I think this is the best praise I’ve seen for Joe Allen so far. The thing he offers is “I don’t know”.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 23:21:55 GMT
I don’t know. Search out and seek the answers from professional football people who have chosen him to play consistently at different levels of professional league and international level football. Thats of course unless you know better and can put forward an alternative debatable and sensible discussion. There's not much point of contributing to a public football discussion forum if you're going to simply suggest that professional football people will always know better is there? What is your opinion? Whatever my opinion is will not meet with the agenda of certain posters. Personally (and I might be completely wrong) I tend to try and understand the bigger picture of why a player has reached a particular standard of professional football (at all levels) even though the average milkman, postman, labourer, manager etc seems to have a greater in-depth knowledge of football than their chosen profession suggests.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 23:30:54 GMT
There's not much point of contributing to a public football discussion forum if you're going to simply suggest that professional football people will always know better is there? What is your opinion? Joe Allen. Good old wee Joe allen. I'm not intelligent enough to find the words to describe how wank he is. You surely not laying the blame for your lack of intelligence at Joe Allen’s feet
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2019 23:32:02 GMT
There's not much point of contributing to a public football discussion forum if you're going to simply suggest that professional football people will always know better is there? What is your opinion? Whatever my opinion is will not meet with the agenda of certain posters. Personally (and I might be completely wrong) I tend to try and understand the bigger picture of why a player has reached a particular standard of professional football (at all levels) even though the average milkman, postman, labourer, manager etc seems to have a greater in-depth knowledge of football than their chosen profession suggests. You genuinely can't think of one single thing that you've seen, that enables you to offer an opinion of your own about him ... seriously?
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Joe Allen
Aug 10, 2019 23:40:33 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2019 23:40:33 GMT
Whatever my opinion is will not meet with the agenda of certain posters. Personally (and I might be completely wrong) I tend to try and understand the bigger picture of why a player has reached a particular standard of professional football (at all levels) even though the average milkman, postman, labourer, manager etc seems to have a greater in-depth knowledge of football than their chosen profession suggests. You genuinely can't think of one single thing that you've seen, that enables you to offer an opinion of your own about him ... seriously? I’ll try (but with less enthusiasm than before) He’s tries to play on the front foot He breaks up opposition play reasonably well He’s extraordinarily hard working He wins a disproportionate amount of headers for a small guy He seems to be a nice guy! It is strange that he never gets dropped but I don’t think all of our malaise can be blamed on Joe. There again I’m not a football manager and my eyesight is getting worse with age.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2019 23:53:34 GMT
There's not much point of contributing to a public football discussion forum if you're going to simply suggest that professional football people will always know better is there? What is your opinion? Whatever my opinion is will not meet with the agenda of certain posters. Personally (and I might be completely wrong) I tend to try and understand the bigger picture of why a player has reached a particular standard of professional football (at all levels) even though the average milkman, postman, labourer, manager etc seems to have a greater in-depth knowledge of football than their chosen profession suggests. They have all reached a certain level, that doesn't mean they are all as good as each other or as effective as each other? I can say with conviction that Joe Allen is a better midfield player than my Uncle Fred who works in a pet shop but that is not really going to help Stoke City Football Club or inspire any confidence?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 23:56:44 GMT
Whatever my opinion is will not meet with the agenda of certain posters. Personally (and I might be completely wrong) I tend to try and understand the bigger picture of why a player has reached a particular standard of professional football (at all levels) even though the average milkman, postman, labourer, manager etc seems to have a greater in-depth knowledge of football than their chosen profession suggests. You genuinely can't think of one single thing that you've seen, that enables you to offer an opinion of your own about him ... seriously? Paul. Because I’m a simple guy who sits in the stand watching the game I tend to see “on the ball incidents” i.e good passes, bad passes, mis-timed tackles etc. (like 99% of supporters) We tend not to see the 2/3 seconds before or after the incident/passage of play and therefore tend form a positive or negative opinion based only on what we see. I can be frustrated just as much as anyone else. I was extremely fortunate enough years ago to sit next to big Bren in the Boothen Stand, on many occasions he would talk me through/explain a passage of play/incident during a game that I wasn’t aware of. My point is this. A varying number of professional football people at all levels and at different times have consistently chosen ( and will continue to do so) JA to play at league or international level. Therefore I’ll lean toward their greater knowledge of the game. It’s a point of view that finds it difficult to understand comments like “he’s w**k or the in vogue “he’s a headless chicken”
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 11, 2019 0:09:06 GMT
You genuinely can't think of one single thing that you've seen, that enables you to offer an opinion of your own about him ... seriously? Paul. Because I’m a simple guy who sits in the stand watching the game I tend to see “on the ball incidents” i.e good passes, bad passes, mis-timed tackles etc. (like 99% of supporters) We tend not to see the 2/3 seconds before or after the incident/passage of play and therefore tend form a positive or negative opinion based only on what we see. I can be frustrated just as much as anyone else. I was extremely fortunate enough years ago to sit next to big Bren in the Boothen Stand, on many occasions he would talk me through/explain a passage of play/incident during a game that I wasn’t aware of. My point is this. A varying number of professional football people at all levels and at different times have consistently chosen ( and will continue to do so) JA to play at league or international level. Therefore I’ll lean toward their greater knowledge of the game. It’s a point of view that finds it difficult to understand comments like “he’s w**k or the in vogue “he’s a headless chicken” And the last 3 professional managers at club level have managed just 13 (ish) wins out of approxamatley 70 games with him playing every game.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 11, 2019 0:21:43 GMT
Paul. Because I’m a simple guy who sits in the stand watching the game I tend to see “on the ball incidents” i.e good passes, bad passes, mis-timed tackles etc. (like 99% of supporters) We tend not to see the 2/3 seconds before or after the incident/passage of play and therefore tend form a positive or negative opinion based only on what we see. I can be frustrated just as much as anyone else. I was extremely fortunate enough years ago to sit next to big Bren in the Boothen Stand, on many occasions he would talk me through/explain a passage of play/incident during a game that I wasn’t aware of. My point is this. A varying number of professional football people at all levels and at different times have consistently chosen ( and will continue to do so) JA to play at league or international level. Therefore I’ll lean toward their greater knowledge of the game. It’s a point of view that finds it difficult to understand comments like “he’s w**k or the in vogue “he’s a headless chicken” And the last 3 professional managers at club level have managed just 13 (ish) wins out of approxamatley 70 games with him playing every game. If you can’t understand the wider context of my post fair enough. If your opinion if fixed fair enough. JA will have had more than three professional managers/coaching teams who have recognised his attributes to enable him to play at professional league and international level but hey ho they’re all wrong.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 11, 2019 0:31:21 GMT
And the last 3 professional managers at club level have managed just 13 (ish) wins out of approxamatley 70 games with him playing every game. If you can’t understand the wider context of my post fair enough. If your opinion if fixed fair enough. JA will have had more than three professional managers/coaching teams who have recognised his attributes to enable him to play at professional league and international level but hey ho they’re all wrong. I'm questioning the knowledge of your last 3 trusted professionals who have failed to apply the common denominator factor
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 11, 2019 0:38:25 GMT
If you can’t understand the wider context of my post fair enough. If your opinion if fixed fair enough. JA will have had more than three professional managers/coaching teams who have recognised his attributes to enable him to play at professional league and international level but hey ho they’re all wrong. I'm questioning the knowledge of your last 3 trusted professionals who have failed to apply the common denominator factor “My” last three trusted managers? Professional managers/ coaching staff that have continually developed and managed his career to-date and those who will probably continue to do so in the foreseeable future.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 11, 2019 1:51:14 GMT
So the best defence we have for Joe Allen is that he keeps getting picked and therefore cannot be subject to criticism of his contributions nor that withstanding fact regarding his virtually permanent selection in our weakest area over the last 3 years?
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Joe Allen
Aug 11, 2019 1:54:42 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 11, 2019 1:54:42 GMT
You genuinely can't think of one single thing that you've seen, that enables you to offer an opinion of your own about him ... seriously? I’ll try (but with less enthusiasm than before) He’s tries to play on the front foot He breaks up opposition play reasonably well He’s extraordinarily hard working He wins a disproportionate amount of headers for a small guy He seems to be a nice guy! It is strange that he never gets dropped but I don’t think all of our malaise can be blamed on Joe. There again I’m not a football manager and my eyesight is getting worse with age. The malaise point isn’t something anyone has said though I don’t think. But he’s the only feature in the decline that has literally never been removed for some length of time. I genuinely don’t know what we’d have to lose from dropping him. He’s not a dickhead by any means, and definitely not entirely to blame, but you can’t play that many fixtures and not be at least part of the problem surely?
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Post by charlesjefferson on Aug 11, 2019 6:04:52 GMT
He's everywhere apart from where he should be.
That's my brief appraisal of Joe Allen.
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Joe Allen
Aug 11, 2019 6:05:41 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 11, 2019 6:05:41 GMT
I always think Allen is excellent for Wales.
I've always said that part of the reason he is poor for us is that he's been asked to do things that don't come naturally to him.
But, his performances now show he doesn't want to be here.
Jones will need to drop him if wants to save his job
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Joe Allen
Aug 11, 2019 6:39:12 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 11, 2019 6:39:12 GMT
I don't think clucas has been too bad. I think Clucas could be an important player for us this season but many have already made their minds up because of shushingate. No idea what that is but I made my mind up because he was absolutely shit last season and still kept his place. Played better yesterday though.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 11, 2019 6:46:10 GMT
Just like Allen,there are thousands of people who can run round a football pitch for 90 mins.But just like Allen,they won't create anything either.
Why the he'll we didn't sell him to who it was,was after him after relegation I don't know,who was it and how much were they offering?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 6:50:33 GMT
You genuinely can't think of one single thing that you've seen, that enables you to offer an opinion of your own about him ... seriously? Paul. Because I’m a simple guy who sits in the stand watching the game I tend to see “on the ball incidents” i.e good passes, bad passes, mis-timed tackles etc. (like 99% of supporters) We tend not to see the 2/3 seconds before or after the incident/passage of play and therefore tend form a positive or negative opinion based only on what we see. I can be frustrated just as much as anyone else. I was extremely fortunate enough years ago to sit next to big Bren in the Boothen Stand, on many occasions he would talk me through/explain a passage of play/incident during a game that I wasn’t aware of. My point is this. A varying number of professional football people at all levels and at different times have consistently chosen ( and will continue to do so) JA to play at league or international level. Therefore I’ll lean toward their greater knowledge of the game. It’s a point of view that finds it difficult to understand comments like “he’s w**k or the in vogue “he’s a headless chicken” Professional football people will always know more than the average fan. Professional people often make the mistake of assuming the average fan knows nothing. Two simple statements, one huge difference. Supporters know a little about a lot, which in some cases can be dangerous but in others can actually be very useful. Supporters are also a very powerful tool on the sidelines. Remember Manchester City at home with 10 men? The supporters intimidated that side, got right behind our lads and made it 28,011 vs 11. There are some players left in that dressing room that have come down from the Premier League, gone through 4 different managers including Mark Hughes and we are still failing on the pitch. They might not have to be on the pitch to have an influence, be it positive or negative. Until those players are completely flushed out from the club at this point, we won't know for certain. Joe Allen falls into that category.
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Joe Allen
Aug 11, 2019 6:54:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 6:54:50 GMT
I always think Allen is excellent for Wales. I've always said that part of the reason he is poor for us is that he's been asked to do things that don't come naturally to him. But, his performances now show he doesn't want to be here. Jones will need to drop him if wants to save his job I never got the Allen hype when he was at Swansea.I was amazed Liverpool signed him.Seems to me he had 1 good tournament for Wales as the DM and his whole reputation is built on that. His signing was the start of it all going wrong for us as he's a guaranteed starter no matter how badly he plays. Maybe the football world has cottoned on else there would have been offers surely. I'm hoping Jones will see the light and him....and Clucas....consigned to being squad players
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 11, 2019 6:58:33 GMT
Joe Allen's been here for a few years now and, yes, his arrival coincided with a downturn in our fortunes. However, you've got to be a complete simpleton to conclude that he's the main reason for what's happened to our club.
Every season he's been here, Allen's been player of the season or close to it. He has poor games sometimes (who doesn't) but there's a reason why every manager we have keeps picking him. It seems fashionable on here to slag him off at the moment, but I honestly think it's a classic case of familiarity breeding contempt. Allen, for me, is still one of the players we need to build around.
Incidentally, I thought he was really good yesterday UNTIL the switch.
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Joe Allen
Aug 11, 2019 7:14:50 GMT
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Post by wherty on Aug 11, 2019 7:14:50 GMT
Joe Allen's been here for a few years now and, yes, his arrival coincided with a downturn in our fortunes. However, you've got to be a complete simpleton to conclude that he's the main reason for what's happened to our club. Every season he's been here, Allen's been player of the season or close to it. He has poor games sometimes (who doesn't) but there's a reason why every manager we have keeps picking him. It seems fashionable on here to slag him off at the moment, but I honestly think it's a classic case of familiarity breeding contempt. Allen, for me, is still one of the players we need to build around. Incidentally, I thought he was really good yesterday UNTIL the switch. Spot on. Really boils my piss some of the shit that's written on here.
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