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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 12:14:10 GMT
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Post by Sam on Aug 18, 2019 12:14:10 GMT
It’s interesting that the classic stoke fans forgive w throng for work rate and sweat has gone out if the widow in the current campaign to target Allen . It’s pretty clear the system is a challenge for him but for gods sake let’s recognise the fact he 1 Work his socks off 2 Has been an exemplary professional when many around him have been disgraceful 3 He’s stuck with us when many would and have tried to jump ship He may need a break or a change in role but he’s a credit if stoke city
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Post by Sam on Aug 18, 2019 12:14:41 GMT
Well said Benji
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 12:20:42 GMT
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 18, 2019 12:20:42 GMT
It’s interesting that the classic stoke fans forgive w throng for work rate and sweat has gone out if the widow in the current campaign to target Allen . It’s pretty clear the system is a challenge for him but for gods sake let’s recognise the fact he 1 Work his socks off 2 Has been an exemplary professional when many around him have been disgraceful 3 He’s stuck with us when many would and have tried to jump ship He may need a break or a change in role but he’s a credit if stoke city Okay benji, what else does Joe Allen bring to this side apart from working hard? I would also add that he doesn’t work any harder than any other player in the side?
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 12:37:35 GMT
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Post by ceejays on Aug 18, 2019 12:37:35 GMT
I specifically watched Joe from kick off. He chased the ball as per usual. I was screaming for him to get back into position. Too late one down. First goal 100 per cent his fault . Then that miss, Bauer has been correct for a good while on Joe Allen (humble pie)
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Post by ceejays on Aug 18, 2019 12:38:17 GMT
Bayern not Bauer
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 18, 2019 15:34:05 GMT
Wimmer , imbula, Berahino , Bauer, Ndaye , ? Scholes doesn't chose the players, if they turned out to be a good fit and we were still in the Prem no one would be moaning. The discussion was not chooses them but what contracts they get and when
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 18, 2019 16:12:32 GMT
Scholes doesn't chose the players, if they turned out to be a good fit and we were still in the Prem no one would be moaning. The discussion was not chooses them but what contracts they get and when I know, so my point still stands if they had turned out to be good players then no one would be moaning about the contracts.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 18, 2019 16:14:47 GMT
I specifically watched Joe from kick off. He chased the ball as per usual. I was screaming for him to get back into position. Too late one down. First goal 100 per cent his fault . Then that miss, Bauer has been correct for a good while on Joe Allen (humble pie) There was plenty wrong with that first goal, Lindsay stepped away from his man for a split second and that gave him the space to turn and shoot.
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 18:11:07 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 18, 2019 18:11:07 GMT
The discussion was not chooses them but what contracts they get and when I know, so my point still stands if they had turned out to be good players then no one would be moaning about the contracts. No it doesn’t we took long term options on unproven players with big wages And the same people who awarded the contracts ran the selection process which apparently has nothing wrong with it despite the afore mentioned names
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 18, 2019 18:24:45 GMT
I specifically watched Joe from kick off. He chased the ball as per usual. I was screaming for him to get back into position. Too late one down. First goal 100 per cent his fault . Then that miss, Bauer has been correct for a good while on Joe Allen (humble pie) You obviously didn’t see Allen’s superb runs behind their defence to create space and opportunities (all through the game) then. Yes it was a miss but I’ll ask this question, is there no praise for him seeing the space, anticipating the potential or being in the forward position to miss?
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Post by wuzza on Aug 18, 2019 18:29:21 GMT
Those trying to suggest Joe Allen has no skill really have got short memories e.g. goal against Ipswich last season. He is a very talented player who maybe having slight problems at the moment but in no way deserves some of the nonsense being spread about him now.
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 20:12:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 20:12:05 GMT
I specifically watched Joe from kick off. He chased the ball as per usual. I was screaming for him to get back into position. Too late one down. First goal 100 per cent his fault . Then that miss, Bauer has been correct for a good while on Joe Allen (humble pie) There was plenty wrong with that first goal, Lindsay stepped away from his man for a split second and that gave him the space to turn and shoot. And also where was Tommy Smith?!
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 20:15:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 20:15:08 GMT
Those trying to suggest Joe Allen has no skill really have got short memories e.g. goal against Ipswich last season. He is a very talented player who maybe having slight problems at the moment but in no way deserves some of the nonsense being spread about him now. It’s verging on weird. Like anyone else he is getting used to the new system. Everything is getting blamed on him. That first goal was by no means solely his fault but let’s all trace it back to a mistake Joe Allen made and ignore the others that made mistakes along the way...
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 18, 2019 21:18:27 GMT
There was plenty wrong with that first goal, Lindsay stepped away from his man for a split second and that gave him the space to turn and shoot. And also where was Tommy Smith?! I’m really not a fan of tommy smith, I find he’s getting caught in no mans land between attacking and defending and often offers us nothing, but when he does he just stops and passes inside. It’s infuriating as there was soo much space against Derby.
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 18, 2019 21:21:51 GMT
We are two changes and a bit of luck short of being a really good side. Edwards for Smith and Etebo for Allen.
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 21:22:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 21:22:14 GMT
And also where was Tommy Smith?! I’m really not a fan of tommy smith, I find he’s getting caught in no mans land between attacking and defending and often offers us nothing, but when he does he just stops and passes inside. It’s infuriating as there was soo much space against Derby. I feel Tom Edwards will be back soon enough...surely? Smith is ok but I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is better than what we had in Edwards. Hopefully Edwards will get his chance sooner rather than later.
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Joe Allen
Aug 18, 2019 21:23:22 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 18, 2019 21:23:22 GMT
Those trying to suggest Joe Allen has no skill really have got short memories e.g. goal against Ipswich last season. He is a very talented player who maybe having slight problems at the moment but in no way deserves some of the nonsense being spread about him now. His errors, poor control, and misplaced passes far outweigh anything good he does. The fact you mention this one particular piece Allen masterclass is evidence. I remember Imbula ripping through defences when he first arrived, Bauer seemingly making RB his own. It makes no difference to his overall contribution to where we currently stand
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Post by wuzza on Aug 18, 2019 22:36:28 GMT
Those trying to suggest Joe Allen has no skill really have got short memories e.g. goal against Ipswich last season. He is a very talented player who maybe having slight problems at the moment but in no way deserves some of the nonsense being spread about him now. His errors, poor control, and misplaced passes far outweigh anything good he does. The fact you mention this one particular piece Allen masterclass is evidence. I remember Imbula ripping through defences when he first arrived, Bauer seemingly making RB his own. It makes no difference to his overall contribution to where we currently stand ‘One particular piece’ - blimey he’s been the shining light in so many games where the general standard has been appalling in the last few seasons. Sorry I don’t buy into your analysis of his contribution at all.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 19, 2019 7:54:43 GMT
Allen just needs dropping for his own good at the moment.
The fact he won’t get dropped does point to some clause in his contract.
Has Allen ever missed a league game when he wasn’t injured? Genuine question
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2019 8:07:10 GMT
Allen just needs dropping for his own good at the moment. The fact he won’t get dropped does point to some clause in his contract. Has Allen ever missed a league game when he wasn’t injured? Genuine question I'd be very surprised there was any such clause in his contract. He gets played because of his work rate, attitude and profile I'd guess.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 19, 2019 8:12:46 GMT
He's a good lad and a nice guy is our Joe, but his form has been average at best (being generous) for a long time and he's had a very poor start to the season.
No one should be beyond dropping.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 19, 2019 8:14:13 GMT
Those trying to suggest Joe Allen has no skill really have got short memories e.g. goal against Ipswich last season. He is a very talented player who maybe having slight problems at the moment but in no way deserves some of the nonsense being spread about him now. I think most serious people aren't saying that he has "no skill" they are simply making the point he's in a quite bad vein of form but appears to be un-droppable and has been for a few seasons now. If Etebo comes in for Clucas (assuming he's not injured) then Allen is a remarkably lucky boy because at the moment he looked frazzled. That's what I've been saying since the outset, that he is struggling in the formation and should be dropped to assess others, not that he's a flatout terrible footballer. But what I won't accept is talk of him being one of the best midfielders in the league when it's patently untrue by any metric you want to use both creatively and defensively.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 19, 2019 8:19:30 GMT
However justified, the negative comments won't be helping him though
Players who have been with us for the last 2 seasons or more are still very low on confidence
Goodness knows what this message board would have been like had Jack made a misjudgement on Saturday
They are not making mistakes on purpose, probably trying too hard
That said it may be a good time to rotate the midfield and give Joe a rest from the starting 11
We have enough new players to lift the mood for everyone including the fans
Stay positive
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 19, 2019 8:19:43 GMT
Allen just needs dropping for his own good at the moment. The fact he won’t get dropped does point to some clause in his contract. Has Allen ever missed a league game when he wasn’t injured? Genuine question Nope He missed 8 minutes last season after signing a new deal. Before that he was dropped for the two "bonus" games of Chelsea and Man City away (think he may have been injured anyway if memory serves) in Hughes' last season. In 16/17 he missed Watford away with a suspension and Hull at home with an injury. So to answer your question, the only time he's been officially dropped was when Hughes rested the entire first team. It's quite similar to Walters when he started ~120 games in a row, he needed resting and came back much much better for it.
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Post by Macko on Aug 19, 2019 8:25:21 GMT
I'm certainly not going to join in the baiting of Joe, he has been a solid pro for us whilst so many have been twats around him. However it is clear he is in a poor patch of form at the moment, his passing is wayward and well yes best not talk about taking chances ... What I do find strange is we have a high quality replacement in Peter Etebo looking llike he is in top form so surely we should swap them in one of the games in the next five days?
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Joe Allen
Aug 19, 2019 8:28:59 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2019 8:28:59 GMT
However justified, the negative comments won't be helping him though Players who have been with us for the last 2 seasons or more are still very low on confidence Goodness knows what this message board would have been like had Jack made a misjudgement on Saturday They are not making mistakes on purpose, probably trying too hard That said it may be a good time to rotate the midfield and give Joe a rest from the starting 11 We have enough new players to lift the mood for everyone including the fans Stay positive I doubt he reads this message board
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 19, 2019 8:30:00 GMT
I'm certainly not going to join in the baiting of Joe, he has been a solid pro for us whilst so many have been twats around him. However it is clear he is in a poor patch of form at the moment, his passing is wayward and well yes best not talk about taking chances ... What I do find strange is we have a high quality replacement in Peter Etebo looking llike he is in top form so surely we should swap them in one of the games in the next five days? Etebo's been away with AfCon and looked a little rusty when he came on. I've no doubt he'll be up to speed in no time and when that time comes it should be for Allen because Woods and Clucas are playing very well indeed. That's not "whipping" Joe or being unfair it's just the facts. My suspicion is he'll drop Clucas though.
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Joe Allen
Aug 19, 2019 8:32:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 8:32:57 GMT
However justified, the negative comments won't be helping him though Players who have been with us for the last 2 seasons or more are still very low on confidence Goodness knows what this message board would have been like had Jack made a misjudgement on Saturday They are not making mistakes on purpose, probably trying too hard That said it may be a good time to rotate the midfield and give Joe a rest from the starting 11 We have enough new players to lift the mood for everyone including the fans Stay positive I doubt he reads this message board I did think that until listened to the Jon Walters podcast and he didn’t mention this board but said they all look at what’s been said about him. Twitter at the moment is awash with comments and memes about Joe Allen which are just a bit out of order IMO. Ironically a few seem to be from those who criticised the fans for booing and being negative but apparently it’s ok for them to mock Joe Allen week after week and call for him to be dropped.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 19, 2019 19:43:30 GMT
I remain a fan.
Loyal, hardworking and a decent player. Things aren’t working for him right now, maybe he needs a break, but he’ll come good again.
Top bloke and a useful player.
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Post by redwhite on Aug 20, 2019 21:16:03 GMT
"Joe is key to what we do here"Looks like Nathan is next in the line of managers who let Joe Allen's professionalism cloud the fact that he is consistently woeful.
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