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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 12, 2019 8:24:59 GMT
I can understand that he may be demotivated and low on confidence because he didn't get his move in the summer. However the only way he will get a move, as you can't blame Stoke for asking for a sizeable fee, is to prove he is worth it by not making mistakes and showing he can stay focused. I'm sure the coaching staff are trying to improve his confidence but his decision to come for that ball against QPR will have dented it. He needs to focus on not making mistakes and playing to his strength which in my opinion is shot stopping which makes his rush of blood against QPR a very strange choice for him to make.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 12, 2019 8:27:42 GMT
Premiership clubs are not going to pay a huge fee for a gk who gives away a goal a game through mistakes. Until he cuts that out we'd be lucky to get £5 million for him.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 12, 2019 8:29:31 GMT
Premiership clubs are not going to pay a huge fee for a gk who gives away a goal a game through mistakes. Until he cuts that out we'd be lucky to get £5 million for him. Apparently he's going abroad for 32 million 🤣
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Post by serpico on Aug 12, 2019 8:29:48 GMT
I don’t know how he even let that first one past him on Saturday, it was right down his throat, seems all he had to do was stay on his feet and swallow it up. He just doesn’t seem very focussed, likely down to him not expecting to still be here this season.
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Post by neilb987 on Aug 12, 2019 8:39:12 GMT
He's still a top keeper but he's in pretty awful form at the moment. It seems to be easier to drop outfield players who are underperforming and making awful mistakes than it is to drop a 'keeper. However, Butland looks like he's all over the place at the moment and really needs taking out of the firing line until he can either regain form and confidence, or move on to a new challenge elsewhere. He's certainly not the cause of our decline over the past couple of seasons but he certainly seems to be suffering from the same symptoms.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 12, 2019 8:45:14 GMT
Same as last season thus far, he doesn't get his big move and his head goes to shit quickly followed by his shot stopping abilities. If Davies puts in a solid display against Wigan then there's no reason why he shouldn't start at the weekend really. At least until Jack sorts his head out.
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Post by marrow999 on Aug 12, 2019 8:46:05 GMT
Have they named him Flapjack yet? Can I suggest that on The Oatcake?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2019 12:42:13 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/live-stoke-transfer-news-rumours-3199786Has there been European interest in Butland?NJ: None. Pochettino said it’s ludicrous other windows shut at different times. It puts us at a disadvantage. We’ve had no offers and it would have to be a massive, massive club to afford the valuation of Jack. Has it affected him?NJ: It’s bound to. He’s our player, we love him and value him. No-one talks about him as Stoke City number one and that’s disrespectful.
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Post by staffsvilla on Aug 12, 2019 22:50:08 GMT
Heaton is looking great value at 8 Mill and looking at jacks performances so far as if anyone is going to pay 32 mill for him unless it's a rich chink with no brain UTV
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 13, 2019 6:09:41 GMT
Heaton is looking great value at 8 Mill and looking at jacks performances so far as if anyone is going to pay 32 mill for him unless it's a rich chink with no brain UTV Heaton is England’s best keeper.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 13, 2019 6:34:47 GMT
Heaton is looking great value at 8 Mill and looking at jacks performances so far as if anyone is going to pay 32 mill for him unless it's a rich chink with no brain UTV Correct.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2019 6:47:33 GMT
Heaton is looking great value at 8 Mill and looking at jacks performances so far as if anyone is going to pay 32 mill for him unless it's a rich chink with no brain UTV Heaton is England’s best keeper. Heaton is an excellent keeper but so is Jack.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 13, 2019 6:58:06 GMT
Heaton is England’s best keeper. Heaton is an excellent keeper but so is Jack. I really don’t think he is and hasn’t been since his injury. These errors aren’t anything new and played a big part in our relegation. We’ll be lucky to get 10m for him now. He needs to focus, something he clearly isn’t and wasn’t in the first half of last season and prove to fuckers like me but way more importantly Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate that he is a good goalie and not this mentally aberrated mess he currently is.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2019 7:36:52 GMT
Heaton is an excellent keeper but so is Jack. I really don’t think he is and hasn’t been since his injury. These errors aren’t anything new and played a big part in our relegation. We’ll be lucky to get 10m for him now. He needs to focus, something he clearly isn’t and wasn’t in the first half of last season and prove to fuckers like me but way more importantly Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate that he is a good goalie and not this mentally aberrated mess he currently is. He made 1 massive mistake in our relegation season. A critique by schmeichel when we let in 7 (and but for Jack would have let in 15) at man city and he was arguably too close to his line on 2 sublime De Bruyne passes that no fucker else would even have seen, seems to have had far too many on his back. He didn't make many mistakes last season and hes saved us far more than hes ever cost us. I find the butland criticism hard to understand.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 13, 2019 7:43:18 GMT
I really don’t think he is and hasn’t been since his injury. These errors aren’t anything new and played a big part in our relegation. We’ll be lucky to get 10m for him now. He needs to focus, something he clearly isn’t and wasn’t in the first half of last season and prove to fuckers like me but way more importantly Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate that he is a good goalie and not this mentally aberrated mess he currently is. He made 1 massive mistake in our relegation season. A critique by schmeichel when we let in 7 (and but for Jack would have let in 15) at man city and he was arguably too close to his line on 2 sublime De Bruyne passes that no fucker else would even have seen, seems to have had far too many on his back. He didn't make many mistakes last season and hes saved us far more than hes ever cost us. I find the butland criticism hard to understand. He made a few. Same for last season, not massive mistake but bad bits of judgement that just make you go, BUTLAND!!!!!! He didn't start playing properly until January. Even then he was still a Dracula. He was one of the first I wanted out last season. But we've right royally fucked up this.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2019 7:47:29 GMT
He made 1 massive mistake in our relegation season. A critique by schmeichel when we let in 7 (and but for Jack would have let in 15) at man city and he was arguably too close to his line on 2 sublime De Bruyne passes that no fucker else would even have seen, seems to have had far too many on his back. He didn't make many mistakes last season and hes saved us far more than hes ever cost us. I find the butland criticism hard to understand. He made a few. Same for last season, not massive mistake but bad bits of judgement that just make you go, BUTLAND!!!!!! He didn't start playing properly until January. Even then he was still a Dracula. He was one of the first I wanted out last season. But we've right royally fucked up this. I know he was but even you have to admit that you are very strange with your likes and dislikes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 13, 2019 7:51:25 GMT
He made a few. Same for last season, not massive mistake but bad bits of judgement that just make you go, BUTLAND!!!!!! He didn't start playing properly until January. Even then he was still a Dracula. He was one of the first I wanted out last season. But we've right royally fucked up this. I know he was but even you have to admit that you are very strange with your likes and dislikes True but after watching they're usually right. The face he's gone 3 windows without moving backs it up too. He's a gamble.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2019 7:54:16 GMT
I know he was but even you have to admit that you are very strange with your likes and dislikes True but after watching they're usually right. The face he's gone 3 windows without moving backs it up too. He's a gamble. You clearly share the same motto for life as my wife Rule 1 - I am always right Rule 2 - when I'm wrong, see rule 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:01:26 GMT
True but after watching they're usually right. The face he's gone 3 windows without moving backs it up too. He's a gamble. You clearly share the same motto for life as my wife Rule 1 - I am always right Rule 2 - when I'm wrong, see rule 1 Oh, another one is like that then? Glad it's not just me that's stumbled on one...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:45:09 GMT
He made 1 massive mistake in our relegation season. A critique by schmeichel when we let in 7 (and but for Jack would have let in 15) at man city and he was arguably too close to his line on 2 sublime De Bruyne passes that no fucker else would even have seen, seems to have had far too many on his back. He didn't make many mistakes last season and hes saved us far more than hes ever cost us. I find the butland criticism hard to understand. He made a few. Same for last season, not massive mistake but bad bits of judgement that just make you go, BUTLAND!!!!!! He didn't start playing properly until January. Even then he was still a Dracula. He was one of the first I wanted out last season. But we've right royally fucked up this. As you said on the Pieters thread he was part of the defence with the 7th best defensive record in the league so he couldn't have been that bad......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 13, 2019 8:48:34 GMT
I thought without Butland relegation would have been a distinct possibility last year. Definitely one of our better players. I thought he was awful in our relegation season though and this season so far he's been utter cack.
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Post by s8to on Aug 13, 2019 8:50:31 GMT
I thought without Butland relegation would have been a distinct possibility last year. Definitely one of our better players. I thought he was awful in our relegation season though and this season so far he's been utter cack. Is it because his head isn't fully in the game? I wonder.. shouldn't happen but who knows!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 13, 2019 9:02:41 GMT
The debate on Butland - like many on here - has just become binary. Either he's England's no 1 or he's utter cack.
He's neither.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 13, 2019 13:31:18 GMT
Heaton is looking great value at 8 Mill and looking at jacks performances so far as if anyone is going to pay 32 mill for him unless it's a rich chink with no brain UTV Heaton is England’s best keeper. nothing at all against villa or tom heaton but before we go on how good he is lets not forget he let 3 goals in saturday. we dont have a great england goalie at the moment but thats just my opinion
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 13, 2019 13:55:00 GMT
Heaton is England’s best keeper. nothing at all against villa or tom heaton but before we go on how good he is lets not forget he let 3 goals in saturday. we dont have a great england goalie at the moment but thats just my opinion We don't. I wouldn't have Pickford in the top 4.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 16, 2019 1:25:34 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Aug 16, 2019 4:10:28 GMT
Another loan then Can’t see anyone wanting to spend big
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 16, 2019 5:09:59 GMT
Heaton is an excellent keeper but so is Jack. I really don’t think he is and hasn’t been since his injury. These errors aren’t anything new and played a big part in our relegation. We’ll be lucky to get 10m for him now. He needs to focus, something he clearly isn’t and wasn’t in the first half of last season and prove to fuckers like me but way more importantly Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate that he is a good goalie and not this mentally aberrated mess he currently is. Well if you don’t think he is that clears everything up as your always right about players 🙄 I actually agree with a lot of your comments about the club but regards to your opinion about players you make things up suit yourself
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 16, 2019 5:10:16 GMT
Heaton is an excellent keeper but so is Jack. I really don’t think he is and hasn’t been since his injury. These errors aren’t anything new and played a big part in our relegation. We’ll be lucky to get 10m for him now. He needs to focus, something he clearly isn’t and wasn’t in the first half of last season and prove to fuckers like me but way more importantly Eddie Howe and Gareth Southgate that he is a good goalie and not this mentally aberrated mess he currently is. Well if you don’t think he is that clears everything up as your always right about players 🙄 I actually agree with a lot of your comments about the club but regards to your opinion about players you make things up suit yourself
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 16, 2019 6:50:24 GMT
Newsnow stoke.reports that butland is ready to seal a move abroad to regain is England place.sorry jack but at the moment you are just about good enough for the championship. But if someone is ready to meet our asking price it's a good by from me.
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