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Post by thisfootballclub on Aug 10, 2019 17:38:20 GMT
Were we asking too much for Butland or was there lack of interest? Should of cashed in and spent the money on quality over quantity, players with their best years ahead of them rather than players on the way down or with poor injury records.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 10, 2019 17:38:23 GMT
Smith moving his whole body out of the way of the ball didn't help, why has he done that? Butland was fuming at Smith and Smiths face said it all, he knew he shouldn't have moved. Then having your own supporters shouting abuse at you whilst the game goes on. Imagine not thinking some of our fan base are brain dead cavemen!! His long pass forward to Gregory lead to our first goal too. Agree with all this. Whether Butland was at fault or not, (probably 50/50 Butland and Smith) do fans really think shouting abuse at Butland for the next 5mins is going to put things right?! He needs encouraging and supporting not abusing. He's clearly going through a tough spell and this is the time we should be getting behind him and trying to help him. Needless anger and abuse aimed his way whether totally to blame for the goal or not is so counterproductive.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 10, 2019 18:05:56 GMT
Him and his ego need dropping, anybody else they would be on the bench.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 10, 2019 18:09:34 GMT
I’ve just seen the first of charlton today...AMATEUR springs to mind straight away, following on from that goal last week v Qpr and the Leicester 2nd in the friendly which went through/under him!
PATHETIC JACK
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Post by tinofspam on Aug 10, 2019 18:16:24 GMT
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 10, 2019 18:20:30 GMT
He was excellent, in the main, last season so I reckon given that no one came in for him he's now become demoralised. He had best raise his game if he doesn't want his ambitions to disappear down the swanny.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 18:29:09 GMT
He’s been doing this for 2 years now. As has every keeper on the earth. He's also been making good saves for those two years too. I like how Butlands "shit kicking" that got us our first goal is being ignored.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 18:30:09 GMT
He’s been doing this for 2 years now. As has every keeper on the earth. He's also been making good saves for those two years too. I like how Butlands "shit kicking" that got us our first goal is being ignored. He is a shit kicker. Dracula. No command. Saves some shots, letting far too many in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 18:41:26 GMT
His problems are entirely mental and I can confidently say that without ever meeting him or talking to him. He is above the Championship but his performances aren't matching that at all and I suspect he is finding it difficult to get his head around that a change in agent hasn't yielded a big move. He needs to take a few steps back and look at the situation for exactly what it is.
Average Premier League players are going for 20M+. The club were asking for exactly that and clubs would not pay it. He's English, an England international and until recently, been a top 10 PL goalkeeper. They all carry gravitas and a premium price that any club would happily pay in this environment.
The fact that clubs would not pay it means the clubs in the PL don't think he is worth it and ergo don't think he is currently playing at that level, over and above the options they already have.
He has to realise that and fast else he will soon find himself dropped and in an entirely different situation. If he can step back, take stock and come back stronger and fitter in the mind he will soon find himself back in the Premier League, and in the short term, we will have a goalkeeper not dropping elementary mistakes.
He deserves to be in the Premier League but not on current form.
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 10, 2019 18:46:51 GMT
He’s been doing this for 2 years now. As has every keeper on the earth. He's also been making good saves for those two years too. I like how Butlands "shit kicking" that got us our first goal is being ignored. His kicking today was quite good, even under pressure was pinging them to half way. The accuracy was quite good too.
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 10, 2019 18:48:14 GMT
Smith moving his whole body out of the way of the ball didn't help, why has he done that? Butland was fuming at Smith and Smiths face said it all, he knew he shouldn't have moved. Then having your own supporters shouting abuse at you whilst the game goes on. Imagine not thinking some of our fan base are brain dead cavemen!! His long pass forward to Gregory lead to our first goal too. Agree with all this. Whether Butland was at fault or not, (probably 50/50 Butland and Smith) do fans really think shouting abuse at Butland for the next 5mins is going to put things right?! He needs encouraging and supporting not abusing. He's clearly going through a tough spell and this is the time we should be getting behind him and trying to help him. Needless anger and abuse aimed his way whether totally to blame for the goal or not is so counterproductive. He clearly heard it too and ironic cheers at him catching the ball moments later, was pathetic. The opposition don't need get at our players, we just do it for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 18:52:30 GMT
Agree with all this. Whether Butland was at fault or not, (probably 50/50 Butland and Smith) do fans really think shouting abuse at Butland for the next 5mins is going to put things right?! He needs encouraging and supporting not abusing. He's clearly going through a tough spell and this is the time we should be getting behind him and trying to help him. Needless anger and abuse aimed his way whether totally to blame for the goal or not is so counterproductive. He clearly heard it too and ironic cheers at him catching the ball moments later, was pathetic. The opposition don't need get at our players, we just do it for them. What we know about Butland 1000% is he is a great shot stopper. The shot today looked like a routine save but he seemed to react to it so late and I don't know why. I honestly think his confidence is shot. He needs a game like Derby away last season to get back on track.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 18:54:40 GMT
Havent seen any replays but from where I was standing I dont know how he didnt save it.
Literally seemed harder not to save.
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Post by minnierover on Aug 10, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
If he wants a move he needs to fucking play for one, gimp. Every inch a Championship goalkeeper. About right. He’s looking poor at the moment. Not surprised no one came in for him at £20m, he’s not worth anything like that right now. If his poor form continues he’ll be dropped for Davies, then he’ll be worth even less, especially as his contract will be running down. We were too greedy, should have accepted £12-15m and used the money wisely to rebuild the rest of the squad.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 10, 2019 18:58:39 GMT
Smith moving his whole body out of the way of the ball didn't help, why has he done that? Butland was fuming at Smith and Smiths face said it all, he knew he shouldn't have moved. Then having your own supporters shouting abuse at you whilst the game goes on. Imagine not thinking some of our fan base are brain dead cavemen!! His long pass forward to Gregory lead to our first goal too. Well said, confidence is so fragile throughout the majority of players right now He made a very good save following a basic error in front of him We’re all disappointed, frustrated and have high expectations ( rightly so) Whole new defence in front of him, we shouldn’t underestimate just how much we are missing Ryan Carabo cup game next week, so likely to be rested Some of this criticism needs to be more constructive
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 10, 2019 19:03:17 GMT
He clearly heard it too and ironic cheers at him catching the ball moments later, was pathetic. The opposition don't need get at our players, we just do it for them. What we know about Butland 1000% is he is a great shot stopper. The shot today looked like a routine save but he seemed to react to it so late and I don't know why. I honestly think his confidence is shot. He needs a game like Derby away last season to get back on track. It's Smith, his body goes from facing the ball face on to turning side on as it is about to hit him. Butland then has to react to ball now not hitting Smith, when he is standing closer than the penalty spot.
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Post by skelman on Aug 10, 2019 21:27:51 GMT
Tom Heaton shipped 3 as Villa lost at Spurs today but he looked a class above Butland.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 22:07:03 GMT
If he thinks he is too good for this league,he is very much mistaken.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 10, 2019 22:54:00 GMT
If he wants a move he needs to fucking play for one, gimp. Every inch a Championship goalkeeper. About right. He’s looking poor at the moment. Not surprised no one came in for him at £20m, he’s not worth anything like that right now. If his poor form continues he’ll be dropped for Davies, then he’ll be worth even less, especially as his contract will be running down. We were too greedy, should have accepted £12-15m and used the money wisely to rebuild the rest of the squad. To be fair, if the club had accepted that amount they’d have been lynched on here...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 10, 2019 23:03:22 GMT
The criticism of Jack for the first goal is harsh. I was expecting to see a calamitous error.
What an earth Smith was doing is beyond me. Hes more at fault than butland in my opinion.
Quite what Baath was doing as well is anyones guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 23:06:25 GMT
The criticism of Jack for the first goal is harsh. I was expecting to see a calamitous error. What an earth Smith was doing is beyond me. Hes more at fault than butland in my opinion. Quite what Baath was doing as well is anyones guess. BaTTh. I think he was upset because the club can’t even spell his name correctly 😂 In reality I think he had to cover for Smith an awful lot but not at his best today for sure.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 10, 2019 23:11:41 GMT
The criticism of Jack for the first goal is harsh. I was expecting to see a calamitous error. What an earth Smith was doing is beyond me. Hes more at fault than butland in my opinion. Quite what Baath was doing as well is anyones guess. BaTTh. I think he was upset because the club can’t even spell his name correctly 😂 In reality I think he had to cover for Smith an awful lot but not at his best today for sure. However you spell his name, hes still crap.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 10, 2019 23:23:31 GMT
BaTTh. I think he was upset because the club can’t even spell his name correctly 😂 In reality I think he had to cover for Smith an awful lot but not at his best today for sure. However you spell his name, hes still crap. I don’t think he’s been crap at all, he is always good in the air and today in particular he had Smith doing disappearing acts about 50% of the time so had to cover.
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Post by shipshape on Aug 10, 2019 23:32:33 GMT
It's time for a change. I've never forgotten his completely unnecessary punch at West Ham when we were looking like getting a priceless three points. One shouldn't bear a grudge but I can't help it. Three transfer windows and he's still a Potter. There was some good signs today, but if Jones wants to succeed he needs to move on from these sacred cows Butland and Allen.
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 10, 2019 23:44:10 GMT
Always thought he's overrated. Don't get me wrong he's a decent keeper but he's not world class like some people used to think he was. And it's proven in the fact no premier league team has come in for him. If he was that good he'd have been snapped up by now.
When Begovic played for us I think he was champions league quality and I wasn't in the slightest bit surprised by the Chelsea move. Never felt the same about Butland. Ok the Chelsea move didn't work out and I'm fully aware Begovic isn't the keeper he was but I still think I'd take Begovic even now. 1) Begovic 2) Sorenson 3) Butland in that order.
Now the issue is it's quite obvious Butland doesn't want to be here and it's showing in his performances. The first QPR goal screamed goalie who wasn't concentrating. It'd require guts but I think he should be dropped.
Nevermind England number 1 or Premier League number 1 you dont perform you shouldn't be Stoke's number 1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 7:36:00 GMT
without doubt the best in this league. He will come good, just lacking confidence at the moment. The Charlton keeper was better. The qpr keeper was better. That's not going to do wonders for confidence.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 11, 2019 8:06:59 GMT
without doubt the best in this league. He will come good, just lacking confidence at the moment. The Charlton keeper was better. The qpr keeper was better. That's not going to do wonders for confidence. And both Charlton and QPR defences were more effective and established
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Post by mrred on Aug 11, 2019 8:24:09 GMT
Give over best in the league. He had the potential to be one of the best in the country at one point. Those days are long gone. You can see it in his body language, how he holds himself- his heart isn't in it.
Problem is he hasn't had proper competition since Begovic left and I cant believe people would trust Adam fucking Federici either. We used to be a club that would poach fucking great goalkeepers, not sure what's happened since?
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 11, 2019 8:37:18 GMT
The most concerning thing about his long list of clangers in a Stoke shirt is that he doesn’t get dropped. That is not good for the moral of the squad. He has contributed heavily to two 2 defeats in 2 games. He absolute needs benching for a couple of games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 8:49:36 GMT
Just seen the replay of the 1st goal. Yes he was possibly unsighted but the shot was down his throat and he moved out of the way.Dreadful goalkeeping AGAIN !
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