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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Aug 9, 2019 17:48:52 GMT
Up here in Scotland our government is having a survey on Islamophobia. I would be interested in your comments on it. The survey can be found at forms.ncl.ac.uk/view.php?id=13027Im my opinion this survey is only considering the effects of Islamophobia and not its causes. If Islamophobia is considered to be a problem by those who complete this survey then surely it is sensible to consider both the causes and effects of Islamophobia. I am not aware of any surveys or investigations into the causes of Islamophobia. Climate change is often in the news these days and both its causes and effects are widely discussed. I suspect that if the Scottish government organised a survey on the causes of Islamophobia then they would be concerned that some of the comment received would be inappropriate or offensive.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 18:14:22 GMT
This is gonna be fun.....
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 9, 2019 18:25:17 GMT
There doesn’t seem to be a question on there asking me if I believe that Allah, reciting his once & for all instructions to humanity, through his messenger the Arch Angel Gabriel, who was to tell it to Mohamed(peace be upon him) & then Mohamed was to tell it to his people, ad-hoc, as & when they needed to know Allahs will. Including Allahs expressed will concerning how guests at Mohamed’s home were to talk to his wife & how nobody was to marry her after Mohamed dies.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 9, 2019 18:33:08 GMT
Carps... The floor is yours!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 9, 2019 18:41:29 GMT
There doesn’t seem to be a question on there asking me if I believe that Allah, reciting his once & for all instructions to humanity, through his messenger the Arch Angel Gabriel, who was to tell it to Mohamed(peace be upon him) & then Mohamed was to tell it to his people, ad-hoc, as & when they needed to know Allahs will. Including Allahs expressed will concerning how guests at Mohamed’s home were to talk to his wife & how nobody was to marry her after Mohamed dies. I think that you make an important point there Bath, not necessarily to do with the title of the thread..... surely it is important to ask of any belief system..... Could it actually be true? Is it likely to be true? What is the evidence for the beliefs? How did it get from its humble beginnings/ historical context to a worldwide religion? Does it make sense.... perhaps a moral or human judgement, but an important one... IMHO
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Post by Mendicant on Aug 9, 2019 23:49:46 GMT
Carps... The floor is yours! Today is Friday. Carps has Friday prayers then does his shift in his metallic grey Toyota Avensis taxi til late. Presumably he'll be back online after that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 1:21:12 GMT
"Islamophobia" is a terrible term that simply should not exist. Obviously there's such a thing as someone having prejudice/hate/fear towards Muslims, and that's clearly not a good thing because the majority of Muslims are just ordinary people who happened to have been born into Islam. But being fearful of the ideology itself is totally rational, therefore it is not a phobia. The recently manufactured term is a slur used to vilify and suppress anyone who expresses criticism of the ideology, and in that sense it's a term I despise because all ideologies should be open to criticism. Islam itself has to be amongst the worst of all ideologies. It needs to be challenged because a significant and surely growing % of our country currently adheres to it. I just pray a mass enlightenment takes place.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 10, 2019 1:49:58 GMT
"Islamophobia" is a terrible term that simply should not exist. Obviously there's such a thing as someone having prejudice/hate/fear towards Muslims, and that's clearly not a good thing because the majority of Muslims are just ordinary people who happened to have been born into Islam. But being fearful of the ideology itself is totally rational, therefore it is not a phobia. The recently manufactured term is a slur used to vilify and suppress anyone who expresses criticism of the ideology, and in that sense it's a term I despise because all ideologies should be open to criticism. Islam itself has to be amongst the worst of all ideologies. It needs to be challenged because a significant and surely growing % of our country currently adheres to it. I just pray a mass enlightenment takes place. I was completely with you until the last sentence
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Post by starkiller on Aug 10, 2019 3:29:03 GMT
There's no place for hating individuals without reason. But it's labelled 'Islamophobia', and if you take out the fairytales, Islam is nothing less than a totalitarian ideology.
Any reasonable person would have a phobia of such a thing.
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Post by MooG on Aug 10, 2019 10:15:00 GMT
The thing that strikes me is that it isn't a survey at all in the information gathering sense.
I'd say they've already decided that Islamaphobia is a problem and who is to blame; and just want some people to tick the box so there's some anecdotes to back that up.
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Post by Northy on Aug 10, 2019 11:15:30 GMT
2 explosions in Copenhgen this week, I wonder if theyll have 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 11:35:12 GMT
There's no place for hating individuals without reason. But it's labelled 'Islamophobia', and if you take out the fairytales, Islam is nothing less than a totalitarian ideology. Any reasonable person would have a phobia of such a thing. So change it to “anti Muslim hate” then. The word itself is just semantics, the issue is very real and should be addressed along with all forms of bigotry.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 12:26:35 GMT
"Islamophobia" is a terrible term that simply should not exist. Obviously there's such a thing as someone having prejudice/hate/fear towards Muslims, and that's clearly not a good thing because the majority of Muslims are just ordinary people who happened to have been born into Islam. But being fearful of the ideology itself is totally rational, therefore it is not a phobia. The recently manufactured term is a slur used to vilify and suppress anyone who expresses criticism of the ideology, and in that sense it's a term I despise because all ideologies should be open to criticism. Islam itself has to be amongst the worst of all ideologies. It needs to be challenged because a significant and surely growing % of our country currently adheres to it. I just pray a mass enlightenment takes place. I was completely with you until the last sentence What was wrong with the last sentence?
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Post by hoffgreen on Aug 10, 2019 12:38:43 GMT
Up here in Scotland our government is having a survey on Islamophobia. I would be interested in your comments on it. The survey can be found at forms.ncl.ac.uk/view.php?id=13027Im my opinion this survey is only considering the effects of Islamophobia and not its causes. If Islamophobia is considered to be a problem by those who complete this survey then surely it is sensible to consider both the causes and effects of Islamophobia. I am not aware of any surveys or investigations into the causes of Islamophobia. Climate change is often in the news these days and both its causes and effects are widely discussed. I suspect that if the Scottish government organised a survey on the causes of Islamophobia then they would be concerned that some of the comment received would be inappropriate or offensive. And the first name on that form is a muslim Labour MSP....Well that's a shock. The results of that survey will be basically white indigenous Scottish people are bad and islamaphobes but Islam is the religion of peace, repeat etc Islamaphobia and anti Semitic, made up words to make the masses criminalized for examining and being critical of idiolgies that don't belong here.... Eff them all off back to the middle East to let them destroy themselves and leave us Britons in peace
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Post by starkiller on Aug 10, 2019 21:38:58 GMT
There's no place for hating individuals without reason. But it's labelled 'Islamophobia', and if you take out the fairytales, Islam is nothing less than a totalitarian ideology. Any reasonable person would have a phobia of such a thing. So change it to “anti Muslim hate” then. The word itself is just semantics, the issue is very real and should be addressed along with all forms of bigotry..... It's not anti-muslim hate, it's disagreeing with an ideology.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 21:58:46 GMT
Respect, and if anyone feels the need to go to Mecca....i can offer a cheaper deal.. The Octagon Retail Park New Century Street Stoke-on-Trent ST1 5RR www.meccabingo.com/bingo-clubs/stoke
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Aug 10, 2019 23:29:20 GMT
The world would be a much better place if all religion was banned.
God willing.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 11, 2019 8:45:37 GMT
There's no place for hating individuals without reason. But it's labelled 'Islamophobia', and if you take out the fairytales, Islam is nothing less than a totalitarian ideology. Any reasonable person would have a phobia of such a thing. So change it to “anti Muslim hate” then. The word itself is just semantics, the issue is very real and should be addressed along with all forms of bigotry..... Judaism & Islam are Semitic religions & have no business in Europe. We’re Christians!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 12, 2019 15:40:29 GMT
If this footage is true I don't think that this kind of preaching in this country is helpful towards peace and perhaps fuels ' islamaphobia'
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 19:50:13 GMT
The good side of individual Muslims. Worth publicising
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 20:11:51 GMT
The good side of individual Muslims. Worth publicising Good man. Could give loads of individual examples of Muslim taxi drivers giving free taxi rides after the Manchester bombing, local Mosques opening their doors and offering shelter, food, sleeping bags for the homeless, an Indian restaurant regularly supplying food to the homeless on the streets of Manchester when I’ve been out volunteering in the past. These stories are heart warming, but in some respects annoying as ultimately it doesn’t matter if you’re Muslim , Jewish, Christian, atheist or Jedi, there are good and bad people the world over. He should be applauded for just being a top bloke, that’s it.......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 20:14:48 GMT
The good side of individual Muslims. Worth publicising Good man. Could give loads of individual examples of Muslim taxi drivers giving free taxi rides after the Manchester bombing, local Mosques opening their doors and offering shelter, food, sleeping bags for the homeless, an Indian restaurant regularly supplying food to the homeless on the streets of Manchester hen I’ve been out volunteering in the past. These stories are heart warming, but in some respects annoying as ultimately it doesn’t matter if you’re Muslim , Jewish, Christian, atheist or Jedi, there are good and bad people the world over. He should be applauded for just being a top bloke, that’s it....... I agree with your last sentence.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2019 21:45:11 GMT
Good man. Could give loads of individual examples of Muslim taxi drivers giving free taxi rides after the Manchester bombing, local Mosques opening their doors and offering shelter, food, sleeping bags for the homeless, an Indian restaurant regularly supplying food to the homeless on the streets of Manchester hen I’ve been out volunteering in the past. These stories are heart warming, but in some respects annoying as ultimately it doesn’t matter if you’re Muslim , Jewish, Christian, atheist or Jedi, there are good and bad people the world over. He should be applauded for just being a top bloke, that’s it....... I agree with your last sentence. He's just a good man with what looks like a lovely family, John, Everything else is irrelevant.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 21:48:50 GMT
I agree with your last sentence. He's just a good man with what looks like a lovely family, John, Everything else is irrelevant. Absolutely agree Momo, I just thought being a Muslim talking positively about Christmas and Britain it's worth pointing the obvious out , sometimes
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