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Post by kustokie on Aug 10, 2019 0:37:30 GMT
Thought I’d drop in and give you a full run-down regards your new loanee Mark Duffy, He’s generally been a journey man winger most of his career. We noticed his trickery when we played Burton so we decided to sign him. He initially played on the wing, lacked pace but has a good body swerve with a bit of trickery making him one of the better wingers in league 1. Chris Wilder was appointed in 2016 and he moved Duffy into a more central position and gave him almost a free role as an attacking midfielder playing that number 10 role. And he’s been transformed playing the best football of his life. He’s become like a little magician, similar style to David Silva and probably our best player over the last 3 years. Such an irony that he’s finally come good towards the end of his career and it’s a real mystery that such a great player has such an underwhelming journeyman cv. I always think Duffy plays like a world class 5 a side player and appreciate that he never lumps it upfield, his first thought is control the ball and retain possession keeping it simple. Strengths Great first touch, very comfortable on the ball, quality player. Great intelligence, in his free role he always seemed to find pockets of space between attack and midfield. Also he’s got good vision seeing openings threading clever through balls to strikers. Excellent at dribbling, which Is impressive when he doesn’t seem that quick, he kind of drifts past using body swerve and changes in speed. Good at short passing, excellent at playing quick/ clever one two’s but he needs players around him on his wavelength. Pretty consistent, always tended to have good games for us but was still consistently substituted by Wilder on the 70 minute mark. Weaknesses A bit small and lightweight, not that quick either. Not good at defensive duties, not a natural tackler. Wilder always substituted him on 70 minutes, not sure why because he was even substituted when having excellent games. Can only assume the in-game data must have showed decreasing energy levels so he couldn’t play a full 90 minutes at full pelt. Doesn’t shoot that much (prefers to pass instead) but when he does he’s scored a few long range shots. Probably needs good players around him to link up with...I’ve seen Ryan Woods when at Brentford and his style is perfect to link up with Duffy. His age....one would guess that sooner or later his form is going to take a downturn...but no sign of it last season. Conclusion He’s massively popular at SU and one of the main reasons why we’ve gone from league 1 to the PL so we’re gutted and surprised to see him leave. Excellent at short passing to feet but can also dribble past his man creating extra space. The only words of caution is that under Wilder players seem to play above their normal level because he plays them in specific roles bringing out their strengths (round pegs in rounds holes) so all Blades will be watching your matches with interest to see how Jones uses him and if he can maintain his excellent standards. Good luck! I must be missing something. If he’s that great why was he sent out on loan? edit: should have googled this first. He’s thirty bloody three!
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Post by blade01 on Aug 10, 2019 10:55:50 GMT
Kustokie,
Thing I’ve already explained earlier why someone who is so revered by our fans has been sent out on loan.
1: The main reason is that the other week he’s asked Wilder for a pay rise and contract extension. Wilder went to the press about it and said that all last seasons players already had promotion bonuses and pay rises incorporated in their contracts, so have been rewarded accordingly for last season. Suspect Duffy has been on £5K most of his career, so he won’t be anywhere near the millionaire level, so he probably wants to maximise his income whilst he can. His salary has probably recently gone up to £15K (300% increase) but his agent will have advised that by PL standards it’s very low, so he deserves more. Wilder has the attitude of rewarding players AFTER they’ve produced. Duffy has never played in the PL so can’t expect PL wages yet.
2: The big reservation with Duffy is he’s not the most athletic (small, lightweight and lacks pace). He’s great in possession but relatively poor out of possession. Can only assume that Wilder thinks in the PL we will have longer spells out of possession so Duffy might become ineffective at that level. Also since there are so many muscle bound athletes in the PL then again Duffy could become almost a passenger, who knows.
I’ve already mentioned that he started most matches for us but was nearly always substitute around the 70 minute mark, even when he was having a great game. Although Wilder did almost always make very early substitutions using his squad to the max, so even the subs see plenty of game time.
At Sheff United over the years we’ve had some extremely effective footballers who have done a great job for us in a Tony Pulis style team. Duffy hasn’t been as effective as those but it’s so nice to see a “proper footballer” who’s first thought is control the ball, then play nice short passes on the ground to feet. It’s a novelty to see a nice controlled passing game as that’s why he’ll be missed.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 10, 2019 10:57:31 GMT
Kustokie, Thing I’ve already explained earlier why someone who is so revered by our fans has been sent out on loan. 1: The main reason is that the other week he’s asked Wilder for a pay rise and contract extension. Wilder went to the press about it and said that all last seasons players already had promotion bonuses and pay rises incorporated in their contracts. Suspect Duffy has been on £5K most of his career, so he won’t be anywhere near the millionaire level, so he probably wants to maximise his income whilst he can. His salary has probably recently gone up to £15K (300% increase) but his agent will have advised that by PL standards it’s very low, so he deserves more. Wilder has the attitude of rewarding players AFTER they’ve produced. Duffy has never played in the PL so can’t expect PL wages yet. 2: The big reservation with Duffy is he’s not the most athletic (small, lightweight and lacks pace). He’s great in possession but relatively poor out of possession. Can only assume that Wilder thinks in the PL we will have longer spells out of possession so Duffy might become ineffective at that level. Also since there are so many muscle bound athletes in the PL then again Duffy could become almost a passenger, who knows. I’ve already mentioned that he started most matches for us but was nearly always substitute around the 70 minute mark, even when he was having a great game. Although Wilder did almost always make very early substitutions using his squad to the max, so even the subs see plenty of game time. At Sheff United over the years we’ve had some extremely effective footballers who have done a great job for us in a Tony Pulis style team. Duffy hasn’t been as effective as those but it’s so nice to see a “proper footballer” who’s first thought is control the ball, then play nice short passes on the ground to feet. It’s a novelty to see a nice controlled passing game as that’s why he’ll be missed. Do you think Freeman will pick up his position? Or is Wilder staking it all on turning Ravel Morrison around?
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2019 11:03:43 GMT
Think Sheffield United are the most interesting of the three promoted sides. As usual the incredibly well paid national media have by and large demonstrated their astonishing ignorance by writing them off as another Stoke type side by which they mean a Pulis type side.
If Premier League clubs take the same view Blades could catch some sides out in the first half of the season at least.
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Post by blade01 on Aug 10, 2019 11:06:55 GMT
Luke Freeman is the obvious replacement to Duffy, similar kind of player but Freeman is younger, quicker and suspect better stamina. Also Freeman can score goals whereas Duffy is always looking for the pass.
Regards Ravel Morrison it looks like we’re not putting too much hope or expectation on him....if it works then it’s just a bonus. In pre season everyone’s been impressed with his first touch....strength on the ball....and calmness and ability to see effective passes. However only had 20 minute spells in ore season games and doesn’t look quite as fit as the other players but he missed half the pre season training due to injury,
There are suggestions at our end..,then Morrison won’t neccesarily be used as an attacking midfielder. Instead he might be played deeper, more in the centre circle area so he constantly sees a lot of the ball.
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Post by blade01 on Aug 10, 2019 11:21:34 GMT
Think Sheffield United are the most interesting of the three promoted sides. As usual the incredibly well paid national media have by and large demonstrated their astonishing ignorance by writing them off as another Stoke type side by which they mean a Pulis type side. If Premier League clubs take the same view Blades could catch some sides out in the first half of the season at least. Excellent point....we actually laugh at the ignorance and total lack of knowledge of many, supposedly professional pundits. It seems that anything outside the PL can’t be any good and also there’s a massive bias towards exotic sounding foreign name. Anyone with a Brazilian or Italian sounding name must be a world beater....it’s quite funny. Think some of the pundits are automatically assuming Wilder is like Neil Warnock because they speak the same and are SU supporters. Warnock played this organised Tony Pulis style “difficult to play against” football. and of course there’s the old cliche that we’ll outwork every other team in the PL and make it tough. On paper we have no top rated individual players. However the players are coached day in day out to play the same way.We almost always play the same team, same formation, same tactics, with small in game variances. So each player knows exactly what to do and know exactly where their team mate are without even looking. So players who were previously decent to average at their former clubs perform to a very high standard within a team framework. Many people focus on individual talent but it’s surprising how decent quality players all on the same page playing as a team can often beat a side that has higher quality individuals. I see it like asking a group of people to draw something and paint it. What Wilder does is give them a “painting by numbers” set, so even those with limited art skills can produce a decent looking painting. It will be really interesting to see what he does at PL level.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 10, 2019 11:26:03 GMT
Hudson played more as a deep-lying playmaker rather than a classic inside-forward. If you were thinking of George Eastham alongside Peter Dobing, your analogy would be better! Mind you, if this MB had existed when Dobing and Eastham were playing, Dobing would be regularly slagged off for being idle and unwilling to put any hard work in; and George would be berated for being too old and slow ... But that would mean our current fans wouldn’t know a footballer if he landed on their nuts- and I think they do recognise talent and ability- hence some of the despondency when we see some of our starting 11. Nothing new then. Back in 1970/71/72, there were plenty of Stoke fans who said exactly that. I can remember long and regular arguments both at school and in our scout group about the merits (or otherwise) of the post broken leg version of Peter Dobing. (For those too young swap Dobing for Bojan in the various threads about his Stoke career and you will get a flavour of how the arguments went)
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Post by datguy on Aug 10, 2019 11:27:25 GMT
Luke Freeman is the obvious replacement to Duffy, similar kind of player but Freeman is younger, quicker and suspect better stamina. Also Freeman can score goals whereas Duffy is always looking for the pass. Regards Ravel Morrison it looks like we’re not putting too much hope or expectation on him....if it works then it’s just a bonus. In pre season everyone’s been impressed with his first touch....strength on the ball....and calmness and ability to see effective passes. However only had 20 minute spells in ore season games and doesn’t look quite as fit as the other players but he missed half the pre season training due to injury, There are suggestions at our end..,then Morrison won’t neccesarily be used as an attacking midfielder. Instead he might be played deeper, more in the centre circle area so he constantly sees a lot of the ball. How do you reckon you've done in the window? Must say Mousset seems a bit of an unusual/underwhelming signing. He's proven at Bournemouth he's not good enough, even if he still is young. Freeman looks good though especially if you don't manage to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 11:35:37 GMT
Think Sheffield United are the most interesting of the three promoted sides. As usual the incredibly well paid national media have by and large demonstrated their astonishing ignorance by writing them off as another Stoke type side by which they mean a Pulis type side. If Premier League clubs take the same view Blades could catch some sides out in the first half of the season at least. Excellent point.... we actually laugh at the ignorance and total lack of knowledge of many, supposedly professional pundits. It seems that anything outside the PL can’t be any good and also there’s a massive bias towards exotic sounding foreign name. Anyone with a Brazilian or Italian sounding name must be a world beater....it’s quite funny. Think some of the pundits are automatically assuming Wilder is like Neil Warnock because they speak the same and are SU supporters. Warnock played this organised Tony Pulis style “difficult to play against” football. and of course there’s the old cliche that we’ll outwork every other team in the PL and make it tough. On paper we have no top rated individual players. However the players are coached day in day out to play the same way.We almost always play the same team, same formation, same tactics, with small in game variances. So each player knows exactly what to do and know exactly where their team mate are without even looking. So players who were previously decent to average at their former clubs perform to a very high standard within a team framework. Many people focus on individual talent but it’s surprising how decent quality players all on the same page playing as a team can often beat a side that has higher quality individuals. I see it like asking a group of people to draw something and paint it. What Wilder does is give them a “painting by numbers” set, so even those with limited art skills can produce a decent looking painting. It will be really interesting to see what he does at PL level. There's plenty of pundits who continue their ignorance of (some) teams and clubs even when they're in the Prem. Most clubs are an inconsequential inconvenience to them.
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Post by blade01 on Aug 10, 2019 12:40:04 GMT
Luke Freeman is the obvious replacement to Duffy, similar kind of player but Freeman is younger, quicker and suspect better stamina. Also Freeman can score goals whereas Duffy is always looking for the pass. Regards Ravel Morrison it looks like we’re not putting too much hope or expectation on him....if it works then it’s just a bonus. In pre season everyone’s been impressed with his first touch....strength on the ball....and calmness and ability to see effective passes. However only had 20 minute spells in ore season games and doesn’t look quite as fit as the other players but he missed half the pre season training due to injury, There are suggestions at our end..,then Morrison won’t neccesarily be used as an attacking midfielder. Instead he might be played deeper, more in the centre circle area so he constantly sees a lot of the ball. How do you reckon you've done in the window? Must say Mousset seems a bit of an unusual/underwhelming signing. He's proven at Bournemouth he's not good enough, even if he still is young. Freeman looks good though especially if you don't manage to survive. The transfer window looks decent as we’ve now got good cover in all areas and some of the new signings are versatile able to play 2 or 3 positions. We seem to have mainly gone for top performing Championship players at the right age....so if we are relegated we should be very strong in the Championship (makes sense to prepare for all possibilities) Some of our fans question some of the signings....especially paying up to 10 million for Mousset when he’s done nothing at Bournmouth. However there’s been a general pattern under Wilder.....we buy historically half decent underwhelming players.....but very quickly they improve and play like really good players. Wilder doesn’t just buy good players....he thinks about how exactly he wants a player to fit within his team formation/ tactics then his recruitment team go out looking for a player that fits that exact spec. So he generally plays tactics that play to the new signings strengths, so they look better than their historical standard. He said he’s been an admirer of Mousset for a while and tried to bring him in on loan at the beginning of last season. So anything could happen regards Mousset but at the moment I’d say he’s 5th choice striker behind McBurnie, Sharp, McGoldrick and Robinson (I know he was a winger at PNE but in pre-season we’ve played him almost up front and he’s looked really good scoring plenty of goals). Stoke were my tip for promotion last season. When you came to Bramall Lane you looked like you had good individuals (especially the goalie) but you lacked confidence as though your ambitions were for a point, looked like you’d set out for a 0-0 draw. Thought you were awful for 80 minutes, hardly got in our half then you looked decent in the last 10 minutes when we sat back trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead, you equalised in the last minute with a free kick. My brother is a Sheff Wed season ticket holder he says you were one of the best teams to go to Hillsboro last season, he says you annihilated them 1st half and should have been 3-0 up at half time. This season is a real test for Nathan Jones because you’re a club going through a transition, so can go either way, positive or negative.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 10, 2019 12:47:46 GMT
Think Sheffield United are the most interesting of the three promoted sides. As usual the incredibly well paid national media have by and large demonstrated their astonishing ignorance by writing them off as another Stoke type side by which they mean a Pulis type side. If Premier League clubs take the same view Blades could catch some sides out in the first half of the season at least. Excellent point....we actually laugh at the ignorance and total lack of knowledge of many, supposedly professional pundits. It seems that anything outside the PL can’t be any good and also there’s a massive bias towards exotic sounding foreign name. Anyone with a Brazilian or Italian sounding name must be a world beater....it’s quite funny. Think some of the pundits are automatically assuming Wilder is like Neil Warnock because they speak the same and are SU supporters. Warnock played this organised Tony Pulis style “difficult to play against” football. and of course there’s the old cliche that we’ll outwork every other team in the PL and make it tough. On paper we have no top rated individual players. However the players are coached day in day out to play the same way.We almost always play the same team, same formation, same tactics, with small in game variances. So each player knows exactly what to do and know exactly where their team mate are without even looking. So players who were previously decent to average at their former clubs perform to a very high standard within a team framework. Many people focus on individual talent but it’s surprising how decent quality players all on the same page playing as a team can often beat a side that has higher quality individuals. I see it like asking a group of people to draw something and paint it. What Wilder does is give them a “painting by numbers” set, so even those with limited art skills can produce a decent looking painting. It will be really interesting to see what he does at PL level. good post The other things about the premier league are the referees, they can have an absolute howler, cost you the game and it's almost a laughing matter on MOTD The other thing is pundits that pisses you off too. You play out of your skin,beat Man Utd and the comments are " what's gone wrong at man Utd" I wish you every luck I really do
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Post by harlequin on Aug 10, 2019 20:12:28 GMT
After today's game, what position do we think he's been earmarked for?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 20:15:07 GMT
CDM judging by the substitution.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 13, 2019 22:30:16 GMT
How did he play tonight?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2019 22:42:32 GMT
Neat and tidy. Barely gave the ball away. Very intelligent footballer. In the coaching world his "pass detail" would be massively praised. Always passed it where receiving player would want it, to the foot they'd want it on. An impressive 1st start albeit against a very poor Wigan outfit
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Post by andystokey on Aug 13, 2019 22:44:39 GMT
Neat and tidy. Barely gave the ball away. Very intelligent footballer. In the coaching world his "pass detail" would be massively praised. Always passed it where receiving player would want it, to the foot they'd want it on. An impressive 1st start albeit against a very poor Wigan outfit Takes a good corner too.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2019 22:46:30 GMT
Neat and tidy. Barely gave the ball away. Very intelligent footballer. In the coaching world his "pass detail" would be massively praised. Always passed it where receiving player would want it, to the foot they'd want it on. An impressive 1st start albeit against a very poor Wigan outfit Takes a good corner too. Indeed he did. Well spotted sir
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Post by Davef on Aug 14, 2019 7:21:02 GMT
He played a a cracking little pass inside the full back for McClean.
That's the first time I've seen that from a Stoke player for about four seasons!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 7:22:42 GMT
Very intelligent player that was obvious after 10 minutes last night.
If we can play a system that suits him he will make things happen I'm sure of it......
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 16, 2019 9:14:52 GMT
Thought I’d drop in and give you a full run-down regards your new loanee Mark Duffy, He’s generally been a journey man winger most of his career. We noticed his trickery when we played Burton so we decided to sign him. He initially played on the wing, lacked pace but has a good body swerve with a bit of trickery making him one of the better wingers in league 1. Chris Wilder was appointed in 2016 and he moved Duffy into a more central position and gave him almost a free role as an attacking midfielder playing that number 10 role. And he’s been transformed playing the best football of his life. He’s become like a little magician, similar style to David Silva and probably our best player over the last 3 years. Such an irony that he’s finally come good towards the end of his career and it’s a real mystery that such a great player has such an underwhelming journeyman cv. I always think Duffy plays like a world class 5 a side player and appreciate that he never lumps it upfield, his first thought is control the ball and retain possession keeping it simple. Strengths Great first touch, very comfortable on the ball, quality player. Great intelligence, in his free role he always seemed to find pockets of space between attack and midfield. Also he’s got good vision seeing openings threading clever through balls to strikers. Excellent at dribbling, which Is impressive when he doesn’t seem that quick, he kind of drifts past using body swerve and changes in speed. Good at short passing, excellent at playing quick/ clever one two’s but he needs players around him on his wavelength. Pretty consistent, always tended to have good games for us but was still consistently substituted by Wilder on the 70 minute mark. Weaknesses A bit small and lightweight, not that quick either. Not good at defensive duties, not a natural tackler. Wilder always substituted him on 70 minutes, not sure why because he was even substituted when having excellent games. Can only assume the in-game data must have showed decreasing energy levels so he couldn’t play a full 90 minutes at full pelt. Doesn’t shoot that much (prefers to pass instead) but when he does he’s scored a few long range shots. Probably needs good players around him to link up with...I’ve seen Ryan Woods when at Brentford and his style is perfect to link up with Duffy. His age....one would guess that sooner or later his form is going to take a downturn...but no sign of it last season. Conclusion He’s massively popular at SU and one of the main reasons why we’ve gone from league 1 to the PL so we’re gutted and surprised to see him leave. Excellent at short passing to feet but can also dribble past his man creating extra space. The only words of caution is that under Wilder players seem to play above their normal level because he plays them in specific roles bringing out their strengths (round pegs in rounds holes) so all Blades will be watching your matches with interest to see how Jones uses him and if he can maintain his excellent standards. Good luck! The view of my Sheff Utd colleague is so similar to this that I wonder whether you and he might be the same person. "Cracking player" according to him.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 16, 2019 9:44:39 GMT
Not seen too much of him yet but high hopes for him from what I have seen. Looks a very accomplished footballer who knows his job.
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