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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 20:23:46 GMT
One game, get a fucking grip. It's not just one game though is it. It's last season too. Specifically, the things he's said vs what's been delivered. What is it, 4 wins in 22? And now he's had his summer, Got everyone as fit as he likes, brought his own players in - dropped Edwards, clean to LWB and looked every inch as shit as last season. There was not a single sign of anything clicking today. That's not needing to get a grip, It's having a grip.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 3, 2019 20:25:41 GMT
Jones has come in with, his heart and soul ,to our club ,with had multi issues. I will never say anything negative against our Coates family. We have yet to see if money is available this window. So far Jones picked almost free players. There little point in writing what already known about trying to sell. Let see if anyone joins us before 5pm Thursday. With that extra ability. I don't see Jones as talking the talk but not walking the walk or out of his depth someone who trying to create positive from negative issues. He needs to keep his tub thumping for the dressing room, he's only making a noose for himself by going public with it. Get some points on the board then tell us how he HAS delivered a team to be proud of, not will do. I understand why he does it. We've had a shit time of it recently and he does genuinely want to get us all fired up and raring to go. But if you put out a performance like the one today after all the chest beating and 'promotion is the goal' chatter, naturally some fans are going to be a bit miffed. He could do with 2 or 3 wins on the bounce to settle some of the fans down a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 20:29:04 GMT
One game, get a fucking grip. Are we ignoring the other 20 odd games where we were by in large shite
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 3, 2019 20:32:08 GMT
He needs to keep his tub thumping for the dressing room, he's only making a noose for himself by going public with it. Get some points on the board then tell us how he HAS delivered a team to be proud of, not will do. I understand why he does it. We've had a shit time of it recently and he does genuinely want to get us all fired up and raring to go. But if you put out a performance like the one today after all the chest beating and 'promotion is the goal' chatter, naturally some fans are going to be a bit miffed. He could do with 2 or 3 wins on the bounce to settle some of the fans down a bit. Oh I know why he's doing it mate, I agree. Managing expectations was one of the things that got on peoples pips a bit in the TP era. But if someone walks in a pub and announces they are the best pool player in here because they were up the George Inn they had better have the goods to back it up. Better to dial back expectations and beat them than the opposite imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 20:32:16 GMT
He needs to keep his tub thumping for the dressing room, he's only making a noose for himself by going public with it. Get some points on the board then tell us how he HAS delivered a team to be proud of, not will do. I understand why he does it. We've had a shit time of it recently and he does genuinely want to get us all fired up and raring to go. But if you put out a performance like the one today after all the chest beating and 'promotion is the goal' chatter, naturally some fans are going to be a bit miffed. He could do with 2 or 3 wins on the bounce to settle some of the fans down a bit. I don’t understand why he does it or why he continues to do it. We aren’t stupid and we have eyes. He needs to tone it down a bit because he’s making it worse for himself with all the talk when the actions don’t match up.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 3, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
He won’t last long here without doubt, Rowett pretty much saved us last season, Jones pretty much had an easy ride but failed miserably with whatever he was trying to do, he’s simply carried on where he left off, boring pathetic football with boring journeyman only interested in their signing on fees, I mean what’s he thinking with Cousins, really ??? It was loud and clear today what the fans thought of his yet again shit substitutions and pathetic disaster of a team selection. Jones is a perfect match for this club, poorly run and without doubt on a massive downwards spiral. Jones gone by November followed by Scholes then Coates Snr and then ???? anything is possible To be fair his "shit substitutions" and system change completely turned the game. Shame he didn't have the balls to do it at half-time.
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 3, 2019 20:40:00 GMT
wow. hey mate its just his opinion , right or wrong thats all it is..chill dude +1
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 3, 2019 20:41:15 GMT
Jones is not a fraud.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 3, 2019 21:09:32 GMT
I do not believe Jones is a fraud. He has not made any false claims or pretended to be something he is not.
As he repeated alludes to he created a very successful and attractive playing team at Luton.
He has made bold promises that so far he has failed to deliver on. He has said players are in his plans when events have shown not to come to fruition, but is clearly entitled to change his mind and he has to avoid putting down players which creates a negative atmosphere and was the downfall of his predecessor.
It is ironic that he is being heavily criticized for not spending heavily to fill much needed positions, when today it was generally those players who cost a lot of money that played badly and those that didn't generally played well but a couple of them made errors to concede goals.
One thing Jones will not do is give up. He is a very driven man and he will not let anything stop him achieving his goals.
He will need time to sort the squad out and get the team playing the way he wants. More time than many Stoke fans appear prepared to give him, but putting huge pressure on the manager does not help to generate success as seen at Leeds and Newcastle.
I supported Hughes and Rowett longer than many on this board and was eventually proved wrong and turned against them. Nevertheless I still think it is far too soon to turn against Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:17:55 GMT
Coates family. We have yet to see if money is available this window. So far Jones picked almost free players. Money is there but it's going into wages, not fees. Free players aren't really free, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:20:29 GMT
He needs to keep his tub thumping for the dressing room, he's only making a noose for himself by going public with it. Get some points on the board then tell us how he HAS delivered a team to be proud of, not will do. I understand why he does it. We've had a shit time of it recently and he does genuinely want to get us all fired up and raring to go. But if you put out a performance like the one today after all the chest beating and 'promotion is the goal' chatter, naturally some fans are going to be a bit miffed. He could do with 2 or 3 wins on the bounce to settle some of the fans down a bit. Sounds awfully easy. Why doesn't he just do that?
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 3, 2019 21:26:07 GMT
I understand why he does it. We've had a shit time of it recently and he does genuinely want to get us all fired up and raring to go. But if you put out a performance like the one today after all the chest beating and 'promotion is the goal' chatter, naturally some fans are going to be a bit miffed. He could do with 2 or 3 wins on the bounce to settle some of the fans down a bit. Sounds awfully easy. Why doesn't he just do that? I never made it out to be awfully easy though did I? I'm not wrong, either. 2 or 3 will calm a lot of people down. It was crystal clear down the ground that a lot of people were fed up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:30:42 GMT
Sounds awfully easy. Why doesn't he just do that? I never made it out to be awfully easy though did I? I'm not wrong, either. 2 or 3 will calm a lot of people down. It was crystal clear down the ground that a lot of people were fed up. But can you see where those wins are coming from? Next up is Charlton, who did exactly the opposite of us, Won 2-1 - away!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2019 21:35:40 GMT
The sooner people get it into their heads that there is no quick fix to the mess the club is in, the better. How many more managers do people want to rush through, giving them 6 months to try and put their stamp on things before being hounded out only for somebody else to come in and take the club in a different direction before they're hounded out as well and we seek an new direction? I absolutely appreciate we spend our time and hard earned money on following the club but have some patience. What happened to wait until he has had a full pre season ? these are his player's now his system, his decisions happy with that today ?, he's had since January 3 wins is that acceptable, is Mc Clean at LB a good decision ? that was as bad if not worse than last season under Rowett he has been found out in seven months.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 3, 2019 21:36:03 GMT
I never made it out to be awfully easy though did I? I'm not wrong, either. 2 or 3 will calm a lot of people down. It was crystal clear down the ground that a lot of people were fed up. But can you see where those wins are coming from? Next up is Charlton, who did exactly the opposite of us, Won 2-1 - away! Sorry if my previous reply sounded a bit short mate, wasn't my intention! I think we'll struggle against Charlton to be honest. Going to be a tough old game, they'll be right up for it coming off a good win.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 3, 2019 21:36:21 GMT
Unless jones turns it around (it is 1st game after all!) I see mid table mediocrity and another manager hunt by December
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2019 21:39:24 GMT
Mad as he sounds...he’s not wrong though Jones isn't a fraud, he built a squad on peanuts that got 2 promotions, albeit lower down. He's seen with his own eyes today, it's what he does about it that defines him as a manager. 2 or 3 games of that level of performance and still no change he may have a point, but the first game? What about the last four months of last season ? 3 fucking wins promises of fast attacking exciting football nope looks like a fraud to me.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2019 21:42:08 GMT
He's doing a pretty good impersonation of a fraud at the moment, plenty of promises with no delivery yep a fraud.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:45:35 GMT
But can you see where those wins are coming from? Next up is Charlton, who did exactly the opposite of us, Won 2-1 - away! Sorry if my previous reply sounded a bit short mate, wasn't my intention! I think we'll struggle against Charlton to be honest. Going to be a tough old game, they'll be right up for it coming off a good win. If we struggle against the newly promoted - I could see us getting a major belting when we come up against Luton - and there were 12 clubs who finished above us plus three newly relegated, WHERE are those 3 wins going to come from? And is it a coincidence that you've plunged for 3, when we've seen Jones incapable of stringing more than 3 wins together over a whole half season. No, it's going to take a lot more. When we win 7 games in a row with athletic, dynamic, pacey attacking football, then we can start talking...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:46:10 GMT
Unless jones turns it around (it is 1st game after all!) I see mid table mediocrity and another manager hunt by December Unfortunately I think it will be worse than mid table mediocrity if nothing changes...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:55:45 GMT
Unless jones turns it around (it is 1st game after all!) I see mid table mediocrity and another manager hunt by December That would be the worst possible thing we could do! We've had way too many managers over a short course of time, each bringing in nine new players and ostracising nine who were here already. Can you imagine what it will do to the new nine's confidence if the man who signed them is let go so soon after. You only have to look at what happened to the confidence of Afobe, Ince, Woods et al when Rowett left. What makes you think there's a better manager out there who can deal with the leftovers from 4 (minus Lambert) botched managements. No we have to stick with Jones through thick and thin barring an absolute disaster. By that I mean if he loses the dressing room or if we are stuck at the bottom with 15-20 pts up to 23rd.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2019 22:04:53 GMT
One game, get a fucking grip. It isn't one game though, it's the continuation of over three years of unarrested decline and nothing appears to have changed.
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Post by kennypowers on Aug 3, 2019 23:47:21 GMT
He's just a smooth talking snake oil salesman who tells fans what they want to hear. He's massively getting on my tits now - Keeps banging on about fast attacking football and then plays 2 fucking piano shifters up front. The midfield is an embarrassment, Allen and Clucas are so mediocre its untrue and that useless wanker Cousins deliberately hid all match, offered nothing and was completely anonymous. Just fuck off Jones, you've replaced our player of the season with an imposter, converted a shit winger to be a shit wing back and have removed all creative talent from the side (e.g Bojan & Verlinden) and replaced them with no-mark, grey, boring, "safe" players. You're full of shit Nathan and just another failure in a growing list of failures for the clowns who run this club. I love this
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Post by superalexneil on Aug 4, 2019 7:45:35 GMT
Its hard to say but cant disagree with you. Hungry/more cutting edge/better in the final third.
Its plain to see lee gregory is hungry, its easy to get more cutting edge by playing your skillfull & fast players all of which were sat on the bench. Playing narrow is just far to easy to defend against, far to predictable.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 4, 2019 7:53:41 GMT
Its hard to say but cant disagree with you. Hungry/more cutting edge/better in the final third. Its plain to see lee gregory is hungry, its easy to get more cutting edge by playing your skillfull & fast players all of which were sat on the bench. Playing narrow is just far to easy to defend against, far to predictable. It’s 8 55 I’m hungry to , wife’s in bed , the dogs had his brekkie , are there any oatcake shops open 😎
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 4, 2019 7:56:40 GMT
All summer he's had. He's said this is his team. He's started mcclean at full back, afobe and vokes up front, allen doesn't know where to play.
He's achieved nothing. He's resolved nothing.
One shot on target. ONE
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 4, 2019 7:59:49 GMT
He's not quite right he proved that with Luton, he's just having trouble atm. I have to say the players are just as much to plane as him. Taking yesterday on it own merit we were flying from kick off then Jack has a brain fart and wiped all the heart out of the team. Now if I were to apportion blame on yesterday's result it's 100% down to Jack.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 4, 2019 8:14:26 GMT
I’m very quickly starting to come round to this way of thinking.
He’s failed to deliver on more occasions than Hermes so far.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 4, 2019 8:22:13 GMT
He's not quite right he proved that with Luton, he's just having trouble atm. I have to say the players are just as much to plane as him. Taking yesterday on it own merit we were flying from kick off then Jack has a brain fart and wiped all the heart out of the team. Now if I were to apportion blame on yesterday's result it's 100% down to Jack. I aren't excusing him, his record isn't good enough at the moment, but I felt for him yesterday massively. I know it was only 8 minutes but we were all over them, ticking over nicely, Vokes has the chance to put us 1 up and then Jack messed up. Fighting a losing battle with the morale of the team and fans after that through no fault of his own. Fair enough he has 82 minutes to rectify it, but the calamity that led to the first goal was the defining moment for me yesterday and you can't expect Jones to be able to do anything with a moment of madness. Ahh well, onto the next one!
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Post by deadwait on Aug 4, 2019 8:26:01 GMT
Jones Out ! !. Oh hold on a minute , he stated he needed 3 years ! !. The theme is correct, he is a fraud.
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