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Post by camstoke10 on Jul 12, 2019 20:26:29 GMT
How close is he to getting a chance in the first team, I know we signed him from Wimbledon and is highly rated does anyone watch him regularly and know how he’s getting on?
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 13, 2019 7:30:16 GMT
How close is he to getting a chance in the first team, I know we signed him from Wimbledon and is highly rated does anyone watch him regularly and know how he’s getting on? 4th choice surely after Butland, Davies, Federici. If jack goes I guess he becomes number 3 but still a mile off
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Post by stokealonaliam22 on Jul 14, 2019 22:55:52 GMT
He did well at Telford as I watched them last season as I live in the Telford area..but he looked brilliant tbh
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 14, 2019 23:06:57 GMT
He did well at Telford as I watched them last season as I live in the Telford area..but he looked brilliant tbh Whilst it's good you believe he played well for them, the difference in level between who Telford have as opposition and who we currently are playing against is astronomical. He'll still remain 4th choice so long as Jack is still at the club. It's a huge step up.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 31, 2019 11:57:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 12:03:45 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 31, 2019 12:05:34 GMT
Excellent opportunity. Terrific little club are accrington Stanley.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 31, 2019 12:06:14 GMT
Good job, Joe. Good move for him that. Hope he does well with them.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 31, 2019 12:06:26 GMT
Yes well done. But just as important it clearly indicates Jack's staying shirley?
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Post by RF10 on Jul 31, 2019 12:09:54 GMT
Yes well done. But just as important it clearly indicates Jack's staying shirley? Wouldn't think so. It's pretty common for the 3rd choice to go out on loan. A recall option easily sorts the problem.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 31, 2019 12:10:43 GMT
Excellent opportunity. Terrific little club are accrington Stanley. I'm assuming this is with a chance of starting games...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 31, 2019 12:12:12 GMT
Yes well done. But just as important it clearly indicates Jack's staying shirley? Wouldn't think so. It's pretty common for the 3rd choice to go out on loan. A recall option easily sorts the problem. Is there a special dispensation on recall options for keepers?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 31, 2019 12:12:50 GMT
Excellent opportunity. Terrific little club are accrington Stanley. I'm assuming this is with a chance of starting games... Their keeper had an indifferent season last year having been excellent the year before. At the very least you'd hope for a fair fight for the no1 shirt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 12:17:42 GMT
Good move for him that is on the face of it.
Needs to be playing though.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 31, 2019 16:00:09 GMT
Good move for him that is on the face of it. Needs to be playing though. As long as he gets fair treatment with the other keeper. Form and ability should decide and I wouldn't expect the manager to give him unconditional preference over another keeper. Up to the lad to grab his chance and nail it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 17:12:47 GMT
Good move for him that is on the face of it. Needs to be playing though. As long as he gets fair treatment with the other keeper. Form and ability should decide and I wouldn't expect the manager to give him unconditional preference over another keeper. Up to the lad to grab his chance and nail it. Nothing to do with fairness. As a club we have to be sending players on loans where they will play.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jul 31, 2019 18:18:23 GMT
I spoke today to a Accy Stanley ST (ex work colleague) who said their keeper was ok so if true he joins Accy he would be No.2 at least a professional experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 18:21:35 GMT
He did well at Telford as I watched them last season as I live in the Telford area..but he looked brilliant tbh Whilst it's good you believe he played well for them, the difference in level between who Telford have as opposition and who we currently are playing against is astronomical. He'll still remain 4th choice so long as Jack is still at the club. It's a huge step up. It doesn't matter that the difference in level might be astronomical. You don't send players to Telford because you want them to jump into the first team when they're back. What matters is that he had the responsibilities of keeping the goal and directing his defenders. Hopefully he will have learned something that he can make use of when the call does come. When it does it will be because of what he has shown in training at this club combined with the match experience of doing the above, regardless of how well Telford did or did not do.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 31, 2019 18:56:13 GMT
As long as he gets fair treatment with the other keeper. Form and ability should decide and I wouldn't expect the manager to give him unconditional preference over another keeper. Up to the lad to grab his chance and nail it. Nothing to do with fairness. As a club we have to be sending players on loans where they will play. So you would prefer Bursik stayed as our No. 4 being tested in our junior games or found game time in some nondescript league where he is played because he is the ONLY keeper they have - unless we can find a manager who will guarantee him first choice? If he has a spell of form ala Hauggard, you still expect the manager to overlook this and keep Bursik playing? The harsh reality is that players have to earn the right to play whether on loan or not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 19:11:23 GMT
Nothing to do with fairness. As a club we have to be sending players on loans where they will play. So you would prefer Bursik stayed as our No. 4 being tested in our junior games or found game time in some nondescript league where he is played because he is the ONLY keeper they have - unless we can find a manager who will guarantee him first choice? If he has a spell of form ala Hauggard, you still expect the manager to overlook this and keep Bursik playing? The harsh reality is that players have to earn the right to play whether on loan or not. What? How the hell have you got that from what I posted? Like with all youth loans we make, we have to ensure they will play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 20:19:42 GMT
So you would prefer Bursik stayed as our No. 4 being tested in our junior games or found game time in some nondescript league where he is played because he is the ONLY keeper they have - unless we can find a manager who will guarantee him first choice? If he has a spell of form ala Hauggard, you still expect the manager to overlook this and keep Bursik playing? The harsh reality is that players have to earn the right to play whether on loan or not. What? How the hell have you got that from what I posted? Like with all youth loans we make, we have to ensure they will play. “Do you want to loan one of our youth players, he’s a great talent?” “Sounds good yeah we’re interested” “We demand he plays week in week out though” “Erm, we’ll give it a miss then thanks. We prefer to pick players on form” We’re not Chelsea or Man City, they either go to League 1/2 clubs and work hard to play regularly at a decent standard, or go to Leek Town where we can probably get the guarantees you mention. But then the club is criticised for sending them too far down the football pyramid.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 20:26:34 GMT
What? How the hell have you got that from what I posted? Like with all youth loans we make, we have to ensure they will play. “Do you want to loan one of our youth players, he’s a great talent?” “Sounds good yeah we’re interested” “We demand he plays week in week out though” “Erm, we’ll give it a miss then thanks. We prefer to pick players on form” We’re not Chelsea or Man City, they either go to League 1/2 clubs and work hard to play regularly at a decent standard, or go to Leek Town where we can probably get the guarantees you mention. But then the club is criticised for sending them too far down the football pyramid..... He’s already had better loans than that. He needs games. It’s no use sending him somewhere he won’t play. That’s obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 20:33:27 GMT
“Do you want to loan one of our youth players, he’s a great talent?” “Sounds good yeah we’re interested” “We demand he plays week in week out though” “Erm, we’ll give it a miss then thanks. We prefer to pick players on form” We’re not Chelsea or Man City, they either go to League 1/2 clubs and work hard to play regularly at a decent standard, or go to Leek Town where we can probably get the guarantees you mention. But then the club is criticised for sending them too far down the football pyramid..... He’s already had better loans than that. He needs games. It’s no use sending him somewhere he won’t play. That’s obvious. Unless you have a crystal ball how do you know whether he’ll play regularly or not? What if he has 3 or 4 shockers, do you expect a League One club to just pander to the likes of us and put their league position in jeopardy. We wouldn’t do that if we signed someone on loan from say Watford so why should they?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 21:59:23 GMT
He’s already had better loans than that. He needs games. It’s no use sending him somewhere he won’t play. That’s obvious. Unless you have a crystal ball how do you know whether he’ll play regularly or not? What if he has 3 or 4 shockers, do you expect a League One club to just pander to the likes of us and put their league position in jeopardy. We wouldn’t do that if we signed someone on loan from say Watford so why should they? Wigan did 😂😂 And wouldn’t we? I disagree! And I’m almost certain we have done in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 22:42:12 GMT
Unless you have a crystal ball how do you know whether he’ll play regularly or not? What if he has 3 or 4 shockers, do you expect a League One club to just pander to the likes of us and put their league position in jeopardy. We wouldn’t do that if we signed someone on loan from say Watford so why should they? Wigan did 😂😂 And wouldn’t we? I disagree! And I’m almost certain we have done in the past. We did it with Haugaard two seasons ago. For some reason the club, Wigan, didn't want to extend the loan...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 22:44:25 GMT
Wigan did 😂😂 And wouldn’t we? I disagree! And I’m almost certain we have done in the past. We did it with Haugaard two seasons ago. For some reason the club, Wigan, didn't want to extend the loan... Yeah that’s the one I was alluding to. They took the financial hit in the end. And I don’t think that’s the game we should be playing here. But we need to be looking at these clubs and see if they play how we like and if they will get a good amount of game time. Because sitting on the bench isn’t what he needs presently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 4:52:31 GMT
Unless you have a crystal ball how do you know whether he’ll play regularly or not? What if he has 3 or 4 shockers, do you expect a League One club to just pander to the likes of us and put their league position in jeopardy. We wouldn’t do that if we signed someone on loan from say Watford so why should they? Wigan did 😂😂 And wouldn’t we? I disagree! And I’m almost certain we have done in the past. And still dropped him. And we were a Premier League team at the time, they were League One and it’s the only time I’ve ever known it happen. And it’s a perfect example of why it very rarely does....
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 1, 2019 6:03:39 GMT
When you send players out on loan, there's always a discussion regarding playing time. Clubs will inflict in some deals that the purchasing club have to pay more money if they don't play the player. There's no point in sending Bursik or anyone else out to a club if they're not going to play, it's that simple. We have to be far more ruthless when doing these deals, no more sending Verlinden out only for him to not kick a ball like what happened 18 months or so ago.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2019 6:45:17 GMT
When you send players out on loan, there's always a discussion regarding playing time. Clubs will inflict in some deals that the purchasing club have to pay more money if they don't play the player. There's no point in sending Bursik or anyone else out to a club if they're not going to play, it's that simple. We have to be far more ruthless when doing these deals, no more sending Verlinden out only for him to not kick a ball like what happened 18 months or so ago. It’s only a discussion because it’s the argument used to defend NJ. In this context, it makes no sense.
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Post by theteacher on Aug 1, 2019 6:48:48 GMT
“Do you want to loan one of our youth players, he’s a great talent?” “Sounds good yeah we’re interested” “We demand he plays week in week out though” “Erm, we’ll give it a miss then thanks. We prefer to pick players on form” We’re not Chelsea or Man City, they either go to League 1/2 clubs and work hard to play regularly at a decent standard, or go to Leek Town where we can probably get the guarantees you mention. But then the club is criticised for sending them too far down the football pyramid..... He’s already had better loans than that. He needs games. It’s no use sending him somewhere he won’t play. That’s obvious. I remember some years ago when Reading were in the prem their young loan players were paid by Reading if the player was playing in the load clubs first team. If not in the first team the loan club paid their wages. Nice incentive to get first team games and experiance.
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