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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 16, 2019 9:33:17 GMT
And the longer Jezza is seen involved in this sort of thing the longer Labour will be out of Office. FFS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2019 9:34:45 GMT
And the longer Jezza is seen involved in this sort of thing the longer Labour will be out of Office. FFS. Imagine that, a British politician wanting justice for Palestine. How fucking outrageous.
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Post by serpico on Aug 16, 2019 9:38:46 GMT
And the longer Jezza is seen involved in this sort of thing the longer Labour will be out of Office. FFS. I mostly agree with Corbyn on foreign policy but its not good optics for him to show up at events where hezbollah flags etc are being waved, is it ?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 16, 2019 10:03:55 GMT
And the longer Jezza is seen involved in this sort of thing the longer Labour will be out of Office. FFS. Imagine that, a British politician wanting justice for Palestine. How fucking outrageous. Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2019 10:05:18 GMT
Imagine that, a British politician wanting justice for Palestine. How fucking outrageous. Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse. Should British Politicians be bothering with Israel?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 16, 2019 10:05:42 GMT
Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse. Should British Politicians be bothering with Israel? Not particularly
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2019 10:08:06 GMT
Should British Politicians be bothering with Israel? Not particularly They do though don't they and some might say the historically British Politicians dealings with Israel are conducted in, errr, quite a different spirit to those conducted with Palestinians.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 16, 2019 10:56:06 GMT
Imagine that, a British politician wanting justice for Palestine. How fucking outrageous. Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse. I agree Void, Most working class people are not interested in Palestine. Perhaps some people think that they should be. But they're not. Labour for a number of years have been telling people what to do, think or say and not spent much time listening..... certainly in terms of the big issues. The Labour Political class doesn't really represent the ordinary voter for whom they take for granted at election time. Eg if the local community have concerns about the fabric of the area, perceived culture clash the response ( in the media) seems to be don't talk about it/ if you do you may be racist.
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Post by serpico on Aug 16, 2019 11:04:46 GMT
Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse. Should British Politicians be bothering with Israel? Nothing wrong with them having an opinion on it but that’s where it should stop, we shouldn’t get involved in any tangible way.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 16, 2019 11:18:36 GMT
Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse. I agree Void, Most working class people are not interested in Palestine. Perhaps some people think that they should be. But they're not. Labour for a number of years have been telling people what to do, think or say and not spent much time listening..... certainly in terms of the big issues. The Labour Political class doesn't really represent the ordinary voter for whom they take for granted at election time. Eg if the local community have concerns about the fabric of the area, perceived culture clash the response ( in the media) seems to be don't talk about it/ if you do you may be racist. It's killing reasonable debate about immigration, the pros are constantly highlighted, and the cons are some kind of taboo subject. Labour should be concentrating on public services etc, I think that's where the average Joe basically agrees with them.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 16, 2019 12:38:20 GMT
Here's me thinking British politicians should be focusing on Britain, given the current state of the country. The average British working class Joe want their concerns heard but Labour are too busy virtue-signalling to give a damn. Party of the people my arse. I agree Void, Most working class people are not interested in Palestine. Perhaps some people think that they should be. But they're not. Labour for a number of years have been telling people what to do, think or say and not spent much time listening..... certainly in terms of the big issues. The Labour Political class doesn't really represent the ordinary voter for whom they take for granted at election time. Eg if the local community have concerns about the fabric of the area, perceived culture clash the response ( in the media) seems to be don't talk about it/ if you do you may be racist. This is the problem, Corbyn's Labour are a bunch of protest politicians, they need to remember their grassroots. And that is neither Islington or Palestine.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2019 12:56:42 GMT
I agree Void, Most working class people are not interested in Palestine. Perhaps some people think that they should be. But they're not. Labour for a number of years have been telling people what to do, think or say and not spent much time listening..... certainly in terms of the big issues. The Labour Political class doesn't really represent the ordinary voter for whom they take for granted at election time. Eg if the local community have concerns about the fabric of the area, perceived culture clash the response ( in the media) seems to be don't talk about it/ if you do you may be racist. This is the problem, Corbyn's Labour are a bunch of protest politicians, they need to remember their grassroots. And that is neither Islington or Palestine. No one fiddles in Foreign Affairs more than neo-liberal war hawks.... as we'll probably find out with Iran sooner rather than later.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 20, 2019 12:05:31 GMT
Remember kids its all a smear that jezza loves the ira
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Post by Davef on Aug 20, 2019 12:12:24 GMT
Remember kids its all a smear that jezza loves the ira I suppose you believe Corbyn played air guitar to the last verse as well.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 20, 2019 12:25:03 GMT
Remember kids its all a smear that jezza loves the ira I suppose you believe Corbyn played air guitar to the last verse as well. Well he loves his IRA songs his ex-wife says, so its believable but the air guitar I didn't see so maybe not.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 20, 2019 14:11:03 GMT
This is the problem, Corbyn's Labour are a bunch of protest politicians, they need to remember their grassroots. And that is neither Islington or Palestine. No one fiddles in Foreign Affairs more than neo-liberal war hawks.... as we'll probably find out with Iran sooner rather than later. Is Russia neo-liberal? They have a habit of fiddling in other countries interests.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:16:58 GMT
Remember kids its all a smear that jezza loves the ira Is that the sound of a barrel being scraped?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:19:00 GMT
No one fiddles in Foreign Affairs more than neo-liberal war hawks.... as we'll probably find out with Iran sooner rather than later. Is Russia neo-liberal? They have a habit of fiddling in other countries interests. Boris Johnson would know. He likes to appear at events and take cash off them......
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Post by Northy on Aug 20, 2019 14:32:01 GMT
Remember kids its all a smear that jezza loves the ira Is that the sound of a barrel being scraped? His voice isn't that rough is it
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 20, 2019 15:27:29 GMT
Aussie here
Mums not a fan of the toris though she has a thin grasp of politics (grandad was a miner in Biddulph when the pits were closing)
So presumably labour was the working class party back then?
My question however is, I know pretty much nothing about uk politics.. just wondering if labour there is the same as the party over in Aus..
More concerned with social change and virtue signalling rather than actual issues (at the face of it anyhow).
Im naturally inclined to side with the toris as im a fan of the ironically named liberal party here, given I feel like I lean more towards having conservative values but wouldnt go as far as identifying as one idk.
Is anyone willing to explain brexit to me as an outsider? And with that why Coates is fanatical remainer (does he have genuine reasons other than self interest with bet365)
I know almost nothing about brexit but assume at the face of it its a backlash over England not needing the EU as much as it needs them.
Immigration, funding etc? Whats the key issue of it all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 15:31:17 GMT
Aussie here Mums not a fan of the toris though she has a thin grasp of politics (grandad was a miner in Biddulph when the pits were closing) So presumably labour was the working class party back then? My question however is, I know pretty much nothing about uk politics.. just wondering if labour there is the same as the party over in Aus.. More concerned with social change and virtue signalling rather than actual issues (at the face of it anyhow). Im naturally inclined to side with the toris as im a fan of the ironically named liberal party here, given I feel like I lean more towards having conservative values but wouldnt go as far as identifying as one idk. Is anyone willing to explain brexit to me as an outsider? And with that why Coates is fanatical remainer (does he have genuine reasons other than self interest with bet365) I know almost nothing about brexit but assume at the face of it its a backlash over England not needing the EU as much as it needs them. Immigration, funding etc? Whats the key issue of it all So when there's the highest amount of inequality since the 2nd war in Britain, and 130,000 have died due to austerity measures you don't see social change as an ACTUAL issue?
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 20, 2019 15:34:13 GMT
Aussie here Mums not a fan of the toris though she has a thin grasp of politics (grandad was a miner in Biddulph when the pits were closing) So presumably labour was the working class party back then? My question however is, I know pretty much nothing about uk politics.. just wondering if labour there is the same as the party over in Aus.. More concerned with social change and virtue signalling rather than actual issues (at the face of it anyhow). Im naturally inclined to side with the toris as im a fan of the ironically named liberal party here, given I feel like I lean more towards having conservative values but wouldnt go as far as identifying as one idk. Is anyone willing to explain brexit to me as an outsider? And with that why Coates is fanatical remainer (does he have genuine reasons other than self interest with bet365) I know almost nothing about brexit but assume at the face of it its a backlash over England not needing the EU as much as it needs them. Immigration, funding etc? Whats the key issue of it all So when there's the highest amount of inequality since the 2nd war in Britain, and 130,000 have died due to austerity measures you don't see social change as an ACTUAL issue? I mean social change in the sense of trivial matters over real reform. I guess I see the left and right as change at any expense vs pragmatism.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Aug 20, 2019 15:36:54 GMT
It's about the message rather than the person - we need a transformative agenda for our country. Why would an ordinary person want to vote to have the NHS flogged to Trump, to work till their 75 with rights at work taken away ? I just don't get it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 20, 2019 15:42:15 GMT
It's about the message rather than the person - we need a transformative agenda for our country. Why would an ordinary person want to vote to have the NHS flogged to Trump, to work till their 75 with rights at work taken away ? I just don't get it. What is the thinking behind this work til you're 75 idea? I know it's Duncan-Smith's baby, but if Labour get it how can it be radically different? How has IDS come to this conclusion?
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 20, 2019 18:53:32 GMT
Aussie here Mums not a fan of the toris though she has a thin grasp of politics (grandad was a miner in Biddulph when the pits were closing) So presumably labour was the working class party back then? My question however is, I know pretty much nothing about uk politics.. just wondering if labour there is the same as the party over in Aus.. More concerned with social change and virtue signalling rather than actual issues (at the face of it anyhow). Im naturally inclined to side with the toris as im a fan of the ironically named liberal party here, given I feel like I lean more towards having conservative values but wouldnt go as far as identifying as one idk. Is anyone willing to explain brexit to me as an outsider? And with that why Coates is fanatical remainer (does he have genuine reasons other than self interest with bet365) I know almost nothing about brexit but assume at the face of it its a backlash over England not needing the EU as much as it needs them. Immigration, funding etc? Whats the key issue of it all So when there's the highest amount of inequality since the 2nd war in Britain, and 130,000 have died due to austerity measures you don't see social change as an ACTUAL issue? 130k people have not died due to austerity what a load of bollocks even the reports author admitted no link could be proved. Honestly how gullible would you have to be to believe that bullshit if even a fraction of those deaths could be linked to austerity the tories would have been tanking in the polls for years.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 20, 2019 18:56:20 GMT
It's about the message rather than the person - we need a transformative agenda for our country. Why would an ordinary person want to vote to have the NHS flogged to Trump, to work till their 75 with rights at work taken away ? I just don't get it. What is the thinking behind this work til you're 75 idea? I know it's Duncan-Smith's baby, but if Labour get it how can it be radically different? How has IDS come to this conclusion? Its not IDS its a think tank he had some involvement with suggested it as a possible solution to the raising cost of pensions, think tanks suggest loads of things all the time it does not make it government policy.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 19:16:53 GMT
So when there's the highest amount of inequality since the 2nd war in Britain, and 130,000 have died due to austerity measures you don't see social change as an ACTUAL issue? 130k people have not died due to austerity what a load of bollocks even the reports author admitted no link could be proved. Honestly how gullible would you have to be to believe that bullshit if even a fraction of those deaths could be linked to austerity the tories would have been tanking in the polls for years. Calm down Doris. You might want to tell the IPPR, The British Medical Journal and even the UN that.....
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Post by serpico on Aug 21, 2019 11:02:50 GMT
So if Corbyn goes, who replaces him ?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 21, 2019 11:12:44 GMT
So if Corbyn goes, who replaces him ? With Labour leadership elections the way they are now (one man one vote) it would be McDonnell or someone from that line of the party. I can't see anyone remotely central being elected to the position for a long time, for better or worse.
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 21, 2019 11:15:10 GMT
I suppose you believe Corbyn played air guitar to the last verse as well. Well he loves his IRA songs his ex-wife says, so its believable but the air guitar I didn't see so maybe not. We all get that you're not overly bothered with the veracity of your news sources fyd - just as long as they happen to reinforce your own preconceived ideology. But really, a random Celtic fan on Twitter and an ex-wife who may have an axe to grind are absolutely piss poor even by your own desperate nonsensical standards Up your game or don't bother.
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