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Post by felonious on Dec 13, 2019 8:06:13 GMT
6 seats less than Michael Foot, worst Labour result since 1935.
Ruth Smeeth....he needs to go now and have no further part in the Labour Party.
Boris Johnson....The country voted to be Corbyn neutral by Christmas.
Momentum spokesperson.... another like minded leader please.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 13, 2019 8:51:29 GMT
6 seats less than Michael Foot, worst Labour result since 1935. Ruth Smeeth....he needs to go now and have no further part in the Labour Party. Boris Johnson....The country voted to be Corbyn neutral by Christmas. Momentum spokesperson.... another like minded leader please. In other words shit
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Post by Northy on Dec 13, 2019 9:37:37 GMT
6 seats less than Michael Foot, worst Labour result since 1935. Ruth Smeeth....he needs to go now and have no further part in the Labour Party. Boris Johnson....The country voted to be Corbyn neutral by Christmas. Momentum spokesperson.... another like minded leader please. Watched that momentum labour being interviewed, last thing before going to bed for an hour and a half, they just don't get the mood of a majority of people do they
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 14, 2019 10:01:49 GMT
6 seats less than Michael Foot, worst Labour result since 1935. Ruth Smeeth....he needs to go now and have no further part in the Labour Party. Boris Johnson....The country voted to be Corbyn neutral by Christmas. Momentum spokesperson.... another like minded leader please. In fairness to Corbyn in comparison to Foot, Foot had the benefit of Scotland being Red. Looking at England only, Foot won 148 seats in 83, Corbyn won 179 on Thursday. That said, Foot’s share of the vote in England was 37%, Corbyn managed 34% The point is, both leaders were comprehensively rejected.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:52:40 GMT
Jeremy's at it again, how can he allow these antisemites and bigots anywhere near the party, does he ever learn?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2019 12:00:35 GMT
Jeremy's at it again, how can he allow these antisemites and bigots anywhere near the party, does he ever learn? Richard Short? Poor lad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:12:34 GMT
Jeremy's at it again, how can he allow these antisemites and bigots anywhere near the party, does he ever learn? Richard Short? Poor lad. He compensates for his ridiculous name by being a massive antisemite. He’s an odd one is Dick......
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 16, 2019 14:50:57 GMT
Ok I saw this on Friday on my fb and I have to confess I'm still laughing about it
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2019 16:04:02 GMT
Ok I saw this on Friday on my fb and I have to confess I'm still laughing about it The real sad thing is Corbyn isn't fit to breath the same air as tony Benn who was a proper political giant
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Post by felonious on Dec 18, 2019 7:06:52 GMT
Luckily he's still got Tony Blair in the wings dispensing advice. Mr Blair has been one of the most vocal advocates of a so-called "People's Vote" on staying in the EU and warned Labour it was a mistake to agree to a general election before the issue of Brexit had been settled. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50829352If only he listened to Tony
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 18, 2019 7:29:55 GMT
Luckily he's still got Tony Blair in the wings dispensing advice. Mr Blair has been one of the most vocal advocates of a so-called "People's Vote" on staying in the EU and warned Labour it was a mistake to agree to a general election before the issue of Brexit had been settled. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50829352If only he listened to Tony He might win 3 General Elections.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 18, 2019 7:33:08 GMT
Ok I saw this on Friday on my fb and I have to confess I'm still laughing about it The real sad thing is Corbyn isn't fit to breath the same air as tony Benn who was a proper political giant Tony Benn. The most vilified Politician of all time. Ten times worse than Corbyn.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 18, 2019 7:48:43 GMT
Ok I saw this on Friday on my fb and I have to confess I'm still laughing about it The real sad thing is Corbyn isn't fit to breath the same air as tony Benn who was a proper political giant Tony was very polite in interviews. Never once interrupted. Listened. Always answered questions and had a clear position on everything he was asked about. He didn't follow the party line if he thought it was wrong and democracy was the greatest principle through which he believed the working class would succeed....and that success was also based on work not benefits. He got a lot wrong and obviously he was not everyone's cup of tea but he was a good Labour man. He didn't actually play politics ( which might be why he never achieved power in our system) he just said what he believed.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 18, 2019 7:56:54 GMT
Ok I saw this on Friday on my fb and I have to confess I'm still laughing about it The real sad thing is Corbyn isn't fit to breath the same air as tony Benn who was a proper political giant And funnily enough Benn had the same suspicions about the EU ( possibly at heart for different reasons?) as Maggie Thatcher....the main criticism rooted in it being anti democratic bureaucratic top down centrist dictatorial. And one difference in Benn and Corbyn.... there is absolutely no way that Benn would have changed his stance on the EU if he had become leader of the Opposition or PM
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 18, 2019 9:27:00 GMT
Transformed into what??
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 18, 2019 9:54:43 GMT
I cant see how Labour will ever get a majority again they have lost Scotland to the SNP and they need Scotland. I genuinely believe they are finished...
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 18, 2019 10:05:36 GMT
If the tories can regroup after Thatcher anything is possible. Its all the tories fault anyway staring from WW2 and Chamberlain letting the world down.Its all connected to that one incident.Long story but true.The butterfly effect of that one decision is still felt now by all of us.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 18, 2019 10:58:18 GMT
If the tories can regroup after Thatcher anything is possible. Its all the tories fault anyway staring from WW2 and Chamberlain letting the world down.Its all connected to that one incident.Long story but true.The butterfly effect of that one decision is still felt now by all of us. A decision that was quite popular at the time as Britain was not ready for war Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Post by salopstick on Dec 18, 2019 10:58:35 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 18, 2019 11:52:59 GMT
If the tories can regroup after Thatcher anything is possible. Its all the tories fault anyway staring from WW2 and Chamberlain letting the world down.Its all connected to that one incident.Long story but true.The butterfly effect of that one decision is still felt now by all of us. No the big mistake was just after the first World War taking to much notice of the whining whinging French Who wanted revenge and left Germany in the position where it was possible for Hitler and his ilk to gain a foothold
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Post by thevoid on Dec 18, 2019 13:31:38 GMT
The worst opposition since records began? It's probably up there with Stoke's post January 2016 meltdown.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 13:45:40 GMT
The worst opposition since records began? It's probably up there with Stoke's post January 2016 meltdown. I agree. I think both Stoke and Labour are looking at a ten year project before they look like getting back to where they were.
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Post by crowey on Dec 18, 2019 14:23:49 GMT
... the thing that amazes me is who in the Labour Party of sound mind (are there any?) thought Jezza could possibly be elected?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 16:31:10 GMT
... the thing that amazes me is who in the Labour Party of sound mind (are there any?) thought Jezza could possibly be elected? Was always a big ask, but he was actually 2,000 votes spread over 7 key marginal seats away from being able to form a government in 2017. So not as far away as some have managed, although ultimately not good enough...........
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 16:38:00 GMT
... the thing that amazes me is who in the Labour Party of sound mind (are there any?) thought Jezza could possibly be elected? Was always a big ask, but he was actually 2,000 votes spread over 7 key marginal seats away from being able to form a government in 2017. So not as far away as some have managed, although ultimately not good enough........... After 1. Backing Brexit 2. Buying the students. 3. May throwing the ball in her own net. Without those three factors, his vote collapsed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 16:52:44 GMT
Was always a big ask, but he was actually 2,000 votes spread over 7 key marginal seats away from being able to form a government in 2017. So not as far away as some have managed, although ultimately not good enough........... After 1. Backing Brexit 2. Buying the students. 3. May throwing the ball in her own net. Without those three factors, his vote collapsed. Correct. But also a 3.5m increase in votes (a 10% increase) and an increase in membership from 180,000 to nearly 600,000. Corbyn did far better than anyone gave him credit for, it's possible to say that as well as acknowledging the flaws. And if they'd respected the referendum we'd be looking at a totally different political landscape as I've always said.....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2019 16:59:20 GMT
After 1. Backing Brexit 2. Buying the students. 3. May throwing the ball in her own net. Without those three factors, his vote collapsed. Correct. But also a 3.5m increase in votes (a 10% increase) and an increase in membership from 180,000 to nearly 600,000. Corbyn did far better than anyone gave him credit for, it's possible to say that as well as acknowledging the flaws. And if they'd respected the referendum we'd be looking at a totally different political landscape as I've always said..... If...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 17:16:47 GMT
Correct. But also a 3.5m increase in votes (a 10% increase) and an increase in membership from 180,000 to nearly 600,000. Corbyn did far better than anyone gave him credit for, it's possible to say that as well as acknowledging the flaws. And if they'd respected the referendum we'd be looking at a totally different political landscape as I've always said..... If... I blame others before Corbyn on that one though........
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 18, 2019 17:46:53 GMT
I blame other before Corbyn on that one though........ Corbyn is history. But Corbyn’s Labour isn’t. The leadership will determine if his policies continue on. My expectation is Labour will stay on the course he set. Whether that is a wise thing will be determined at the next election. I suspect it will means they will be defeated again.
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Post by felonious on Dec 18, 2019 19:32:24 GMT
Well at least there's one Labour supporter who's happy In his speech, ex-Labour leader Mr Blair - a longstanding critic of the party's move to the left under Mr Corbyn - said: "I believe with different leadership we would have kept much of our vote in traditional Labour areas. "Instead, we pursued a path of almost comic indecision - alienated both sides of the debate." And he said the party should never have fallen into the "Elephant trap" of agreeing to a "Brexit election" without a clear position on Brexit and with a leader who had a "net approval rating of minus 40%". But he added: "People saw him as fundamentally opposing what Britain and Western countries stand for." Mr Corbyn personified "a brand of quasi-revolutionary socialism - mixing far-left economic policy with deep hostility to Western foreign policy" - and that this combination "never has and never will" appeal to traditional Labour voters, he argued. And the far-left "protest movement" which was born out of Mr Corbyn's leadership was supported by "cult trimmings" and was "utterly incapable" of being voted in as a "credible government". Read all about it .... www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50829352
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