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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 8:58:20 GMT
"First time during the election" How much more apology do they need. Maybe until the 130 pending cases have been sorted and the EHRC have concluded their investigation. Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 9:03:47 GMT
Maybe until the 130 pending cases have been sorted and the EHRC have concluded their investigation. Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. Not a particularly clever post that fella.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 4, 2019 9:04:48 GMT
Maybe until the 130 pending cases have been sorted and the EHRC have concluded their investigation. Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. Nothing to worry about there only a minority group The trouble with that is you will find the numbers are concentrated in a few key seats
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 10:09:48 GMT
Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. Not a particularly clever post that fella..... Why is that?
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2019 10:11:59 GMT
Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. Not a particularly clever post that fella..... I think you misspelt stop being a racist twat fella.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 10:18:15 GMT
Not a particularly clever post that fella..... I think you misspelt stop being a racist twat fella. Here we go, what is racist about the post ? The amount of abuse the Muslim community get on here is unparalleled in any forum/message board I know of. Tell me whats racist about my post please?
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2019 10:30:21 GMT
I think you misspelt stop being a racist twat fella. Here we go, what is racist about the post ? The amount of abuse the Muslim community get on here is unparalleled in any forum/message board I know of. Tell me whats racist about my post please? Pretty much all of it, I call out abuse whenever I see it as I did with the disgusting post about Dianne Abbott last week.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 10:31:50 GMT
Here we go, what is racist about the post ? The amount of abuse the Muslim community get on here is unparalleled in any forum/message board I know of. Tell me whats racist about my post please? Pretty much all of it, I call out abuse whenever I see it as I did with the disgusting post about Dianne Abbott last week. That is no answer. Explain what you find racist in my post. Theres 250,000 of them? They have power?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 4, 2019 13:42:17 GMT
Pretty much all of it, I call out abuse whenever I see it as I did with the disgusting post about Dianne Abbott last week. That is no answer. Explain what you find racist in my post. Theres 250,000 of them? They have power? I think you need to calm down fella. Your mask's slipping.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 4, 2019 14:00:08 GMT
Maybe until the 130 pending cases have been sorted and the EHRC have concluded their investigation. Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there.
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Post by algor on Dec 4, 2019 14:49:30 GMT
Maybe until the 130 pending cases have been sorted and the EHRC have concluded their investigation. Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. They are all in what together? What is this "power" that they have and what are they using it for?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 14:56:51 GMT
That is no answer. Explain what you find racist in my post. Theres 250,000 of them? They have power? I think you need to calm down fella. Your mask's slipping. So no one can say why they think my post is racist then. I prove my point.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2019 15:02:18 GMT
More smears from checks notes Corbyns multi millionaire senior advisor whose daughter got her first real job as the person in charge of Labours complaints process.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 15:02:51 GMT
Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. They are all in what together? What is this "power" that they have and what are they using it for? What are they using it for,I would imagine for their own protection and exploitation,like everyone else who has power. And what do I mean by power.Wealth, money, influence. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In the pillars of authority,media and wealth the Jewish community have an awful lot of power for such people as you are waking up to. Do I care not particularly but I do see why many do. Still no answer to why my original post was deemed racist and why people are throwing the baby out of the bathwater about it.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 4, 2019 15:26:03 GMT
I think you need to calm down fella. Your mask's slipping. So no one can say why they think my post is racist then. I prove my point. Oh it's nuanced rather well but it's pretty clear what you're alluding to. I'd also like to pick you up on a comment you made about anti-Muslim sentiment on here being worse than any other messageboard. I know you're prone to hyperbole in your accusations (it's a definite trait of yours) but which other forums are you comparing The Cake with out of interest?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 15:31:04 GMT
So no one can say why they think my post is racist then. I prove my point. Oh it's nuanced rather well but it's pretty clear what you're alluding to. I'd also like to pick you up on a comment you made about anti-Muslim sentiment on here being worse than any other messageboard. I know you're prone to hyperbole in your accusations (it's a definite trait of yours) but which other forums are you comparing The Cake with out of interest? Spit it out then dont be shy its very unlike you.What am I referring to,I dont do mind games I find it impossible so I say what I see.What am I alluding to? Mainly music-audiophile/sport/political message boards/forums.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 15:57:19 GMT
Theres only 250,00 jews in the country they are all in it together anyway.Lot of power there. Not a particularly clever post that fella..... Well I don't understand the whole "they're all in it together" statement? As I've said many times over the whole antisemitism debate the "Jewish community" isn't one homogeneous group. And secondly alluding to Jews "having power" is a fairly common antisemitic trope, I'm not sure whether you meant it that way but it's certainly how it reads......
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 16:13:16 GMT
Not a particularly clever post that fella..... Well I don't understand the whole "they're all in it together" statement? As I've said many times over the whole antisemitism debate the "Jewish community" isn't one homogeneous group. And secondly alluding to Jews "having power" is a fairly common antisemitic trope, I'm not sure whether you meant it that way but it's certainly how it reads...... Ok I lived in Manchester for a few years many years ago, and went out with a jewish girl from Moston for many years so I do have first hand experience of the community. As a proportion of the population they do "have more power" than others this is a fact,its not a slur "even though it can be used as that" its certainly not antisemitic. "they're all in it together" was a parody of Cameron's statement, as in people think every jew is against Labour. maybe didnt some across correct.The downfall of the internet.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2019 16:20:13 GMT
Well, this thread took a strange turn...
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 4, 2019 23:20:19 GMT
Well I don't understand the whole "they're all in it together" statement? As I've said many times over the whole antisemitism debate the "Jewish community" isn't one homogeneous group. And secondly alluding to Jews "having power" is a fairly common antisemitic trope, I'm not sure whether you meant it that way but it's certainly how it reads...... Ok I lived in Manchester for a few years many years ago, and went out with a jewish girl from Moston for many years so I do have first hand experience of the community. As a proportion of the population they do "have more power" than others this is a fact,its not a slur "even though it can be used as that" its certainly not antisemitic. "they're all in it together" was a parody of Cameron's statement, as in people think every jew is against Labour. maybe didnt some across correct.The downfall of the internet. I bet you’ve got a friend who is gay. Possible black as well as gay. Because that automatically means you are neither homophobic or racist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 23:42:38 GMT
You got any facts to go with that statement? I’m denying nothing..... The party is currently under investigation for institutional racism, 87% of British Jews think Corbyn is antisemitic and there is a great avalanche of evidence of antisemitism in the party from local meetings, social media, and activists and party officials. Blithely trotting out “oh yes there is a problem with 0.06% of the party” because someone sat down and span a few numbers of official investigations versus total membership is absolutely denying the critical, era-defining institutional problem the party is plagued with. It's more like 87% of a 20% sample of British Jews to be fair, it appears that secular Jews and the Hasidic Jewish community many of whom hold a different view don't get a voice in a poll commissioned by the Jewish Chronicle. And don't just take my word for it on that, there are many prominent Jews such as Michael Rosen, Miriam Margolyes, Alexei Sayle, several Rabbis from the Hasidic community who have raised the issue. This would also ring true anecdotally amongst some of my Jewish friends/neighbours who hold varied views on the subject. And regarding the EHRC, being investigated doesn't mean being found guilty, lets wait and see on that one. You talk about an "avalanche of evidence", I disagree. "Critical, era-defining institutional problems" is a massive exaggeration. You can be against antisemitism and racism in all forms and still recognise McCarthyism when it's there, here's IPSO's ruling shattering the myth that Loise Ellman was hounded out of the party by her CLP members for being Jewish.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 5, 2019 0:07:40 GMT
The party is currently under investigation for institutional racism, 87% of British Jews think Corbyn is antisemitic and there is a great avalanche of evidence of antisemitism in the party from local meetings, social media, and activists and party officials. Blithely trotting out “oh yes there is a problem with 0.06% of the party” because someone sat down and span a few numbers of official investigations versus total membership is absolutely denying the critical, era-defining institutional problem the party is plagued with. It's more like 87% of a 20% sample of British Jews to be fair, it appears that secular Jews and the Hasidic Jewish community many of whom hold a different view don't get a voice in a poll commissioned by the Jewish Chronicle. And don't just take my word for it on that, there are many prominent Jews such as Michael Rosen, Miriam Margolyes, Alexei Sayle, several Rabbis from the Hasidic community who have raised the issue. This would also ring true anecdotally amongst some of my Jewish friends/neighbours who hold varied views on the subject. And regarding the EHRC, being investigated doesn't mean being found guilty, lets wait and see on that one. You talk about an "avalanche of evidence", I disagree. "Critical, era-defining institutional problems" is a massive exaggeration. You can be against antisemitism and racism in all forms and still recognise McCarthyism when it's there........ Right. As I think we’ve established, you deny there’s a problem. Ta for confirming
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 0:17:28 GMT
It's more like 87% of a 20% sample of British Jews to be fair, it appears that secular Jews and the Hasidic Jewish community many of whom hold a different view don't get a voice in a poll commissioned by the Jewish Chronicle. And don't just take my word for it on that, there are many prominent Jews such as Michael Rosen, Miriam Margolyes, Alexei Sayle, several Rabbis from the Hasidic community who have raised the issue. This would also ring true anecdotally amongst some of my Jewish friends/neighbours who hold varied views on the subject. And regarding the EHRC, being investigated doesn't mean being found guilty, lets wait and see on that one. You talk about an "avalanche of evidence", I disagree. "Critical, era-defining institutional problems" is a massive exaggeration. You can be against antisemitism and racism in all forms and still recognise McCarthyism when it's there........ Right. As I think we’ve established, you deny there’s a problem. Ta for confirming One incident is too many, I'm not denying there is a problem with antisemitism with a very small minority of Labour members and activists. I've said it many times on this thread and others like it. You either haven't seen them or you have an eyesight problem. So don't tell lies, there's a good man.......
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 5, 2019 0:40:15 GMT
Right. As I think we’ve established, you deny there’s a problem. Ta for confirming One incident is too many, I'm not denying there is a problem with antisemitism with a very small minority of Labour members and activists. I've said it many times on this thread and others like it. You either haven't seen them or you have an eyesight problem. So don't tell lies, there's a good man....... Mate, qualifying every “acceptance” of the problem with things like “small minority”, or fractions of a percent, or “just like all racism”, or “one incident is too many” is not an acceptance of the problem. It just isn’t. You could apply these statements to pretty much any accusation. Domestic violence, shoplifting, porn-watching, anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 0:55:35 GMT
One incident is too many, I'm not denying there is a problem with antisemitism with a very small minority of Labour members and activists. I've said it many times on this thread and others like it. You either haven't seen them or you have an eyesight problem. So don't tell lies, there's a good man....... Mate, qualifying every “acceptance” of the problem with things like “small minority”, or fractions of a percent, or “just like all racism”, or “one incident is too many” is not an acceptance of the problem. It just isn’t. You could apply these statements to pretty much any accusation. Domestic violence, shoplifting, porn-watching, anything. When accusations of institutional antisemitism are banded about I think it's pertinent to deal in actual facts and figures. It's also pretty important to root out the genuine antisemitism and not conflate it with those whose sole aim is to get rid of Corbyn as Labour leader, and separate discussions around Zionism/Israel etc. Because otherwise we just devalue the real fight against antisemitism and other forms of prejudice......
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 5, 2019 1:05:00 GMT
Mate, qualifying every “acceptance” of the problem with things like “small minority”, or fractions of a percent, or “just like all racism”, or “one incident is too many” is not an acceptance of the problem. It just isn’t. You could apply these statements to pretty much any accusation. Domestic violence, shoplifting, porn-watching, anything. When accusations of institutional antisemitism are banded about I think it's pertinent to deal in actual facts and figures. It's also pretty important to root out the genuine antisemitism and not conflate it with those whose sole aim is to get rid of Corbyn as Labour leader, and separate discussions around Zionism/Israel etc. Because otherwise we just devalue the real fight against antisemitism and other forms of prejudice...... We’re really going round in circles here mate. I don’t care what you think is important or pertinent in the “real” fight against antisemitism. Is there an institutional problem of antisemitism in this Labour Party or not? Yes = acceptance, No = denial Similarly I’m making no judgement about your answer, you’re entitled to your opinion, just be sincere about what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 1:17:57 GMT
When accusations of institutional antisemitism are banded about I think it's pertinent to deal in actual facts and figures. It's also pretty important to root out the genuine antisemitism and not conflate it with those whose sole aim is to get rid of Corbyn as Labour leader, and separate discussions around Zionism/Israel etc. Because otherwise we just devalue the real fight against antisemitism and other forms of prejudice...... We’re really going round in circles here mate. I don’t care what you think is important or pertinent in the “real” fight against antisemitism. Is there an institutional problem of antisemitism in this Labour Party or not? Yes = acceptance, No = denial Similarly I’m making no judgement about your answer, you’re entitled to your opinion, just be sincere about what it is. Is there an institutional antisemitism problem in the Labour Party? Is there bollocks. And save your condescending crap about being "sincere", my view might not be the popular one but it's based on many conversations with my Jewish friends/neighbours/work colleagues on both sides of the argument, not by reading a few headlines. And it's always been a consistent one. I'll happily agree we're going round in circles though so I'll bid you goodnight........
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 5, 2019 1:26:20 GMT
We’re really going round in circles here mate. I don’t care what you think is important or pertinent in the “real” fight against antisemitism. Is there an institutional problem of antisemitism in this Labour Party or not? Yes = acceptance, No = denial Similarly I’m making no judgement about your answer, you’re entitled to your opinion, just be sincere about what it is. Is there an institutional antisemitism problem in the Labour Party? Is there bollocks. And save your condescending crap about being "sincere", my view might not be the popular one but it's based on many conversations with my Jewish friends/neighbours/work colleagues on both sides of the argument, not by reading a few headlines. And it's always been a consistent one. I'll happily agree we're going round in circles though so I'll bid you goodnight........ This is bizarre. This whole exchange started because you said you were not denying there was a problem. I said that was insincere. Now in a post where you’re forcefully denying that there’s a problem, you’re saying me calling you insincere is condescending..... Anyway. Sleep tight!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 5, 2019 5:40:22 GMT
They are all in what together? What is this "power" that they have and what are they using it for? What are they using it for,I would imagine for their own protection and exploitation,like everyone else who has power. And what do I mean by power.Wealth, money, influence. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In the pillars of authority,media and wealth the Jewish community have an awful lot of power for such people as you are waking up to. Do I care not particularly but I do see why many do. Still no answer to why my original post was deemed racist and why people are throwing the baby out of the bathwater about it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 5, 2019 5:43:52 GMT
We’re really going round in circles here mate. I don’t care what you think is important or pertinent in the “real” fight against antisemitism. Is there an institutional problem of antisemitism in this Labour Party or not? Yes = acceptance, No = denial Similarly I’m making no judgement about your answer, you’re entitled to your opinion, just be sincere about what it is. Is there an institutional antisemitism problem in the Labour Party? Is there bollocks. And save your condescending crap about being "sincere", my view might not be the popular one but it's based on many conversations with my Jewish friends/neighbours/work colleagues on both sides of the argument, not by reading a few headlines. And it's always been a consistent one. I'll happily agree we're going round in circles though so I'll bid you goodnight........ Is this the anti-semitic equivalent of "I can't be racist because I have a black friend"?
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