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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 16:54:10 GMT
Nope, socialism is not wanting to see people with billions while others starve. People here are refusing to accept that working a full time job, whether skilled or unskilled, should give you a wage you can survive on. Agreed. Socialism is seeing everybody starve. (Apart from the party elite of course. They will have their own shops, schools etc) What a ridiculous statement.....
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Post by felonious on Nov 14, 2019 17:11:07 GMT
Immigration might go up or down. Freedom of movement doesn't necessarily form part of the manifesto. A sensible approach to suit Brexiteers and Remainers. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50423622Does this man ever say anything concrete?
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 14, 2019 17:28:06 GMT
Agreed. Socialism is seeing everybody starve. (Apart from the party elite of course. They will have their own shops, schools etc) What a ridiculous statement..... So the party hierarchy in Venezuela are starving like the general public That’s nice of them to show a bit of solidarity
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 14, 2019 18:12:58 GMT
Worst ever NHS figures for A&E waiting times, and for cancer waiting times. For fucks sake Corbyn...... Due to increased demand from where ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 19:10:16 GMT
Worst ever NHS figures for A&E waiting times, and for cancer waiting times. For fucks sake Corbyn...... Due to increased demand from where ? Is it to do with increased demand? Where've you got that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 19:12:43 GMT
Due to increased demand from where ? Is it to do with increased demand? Where've you got that? Crapslinger copies and pastes all his info from Wikipedia.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 19:17:36 GMT
What a ridiculous statement..... So the party hierarchy in Venezuela are starving like the general public That’s nice of them to show a bit of solidarity You could have of course said Portugal. Crippling American sanctions on Venezuela are of course a major factor in the state of that particular country if you want to debate that. Like a lot of ideologies it’s often about credibility of the people implementing it rather than the system itself.....
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Post by serpico on Nov 14, 2019 19:22:03 GMT
Agreed. Socialism is seeing everybody starve. (Apart from the party elite of course. They will have their own shops, schools etc) What a ridiculous statement..... socialism doesn't redistribute wealth... well, it does, for awhile, but essentially it destroys wealth, eventually the cow runs out of milk, then we're all equal, equally poorer.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2019 20:01:26 GMT
So the party hierarchy in Venezuela are starving like the general public That’s nice of them to show a bit of solidarity You could have of course said Portugal. Crippling American sanctions on Venezuela are of course a major factor in the state of that particular country if you want to debate that. Like a lot of ideologies it’s often about credibility of the people implementing it rather than the system itself..... Venezuela is suffering primarily because of the socialist policies of Chavez. Have a read of this which explains how.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2019 20:41:16 GMT
So the party hierarchy in Venezuela are starving like the general public That’s nice of them to show a bit of solidarity You could have of course said Portugal. Crippling American sanctions on Venezuela are of course a major factor in the state of that particular country if you want to debate that. Like a lot of ideologies it’s often about credibility of the people implementing it rather than the system itself..... That's my worry with Labour...
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Post by pearo on Nov 14, 2019 20:53:34 GMT
Immigration might go up or down. Freedom of movement doesn't necessarily form part of the manifesto. A sensible approach to suit Brexiteers and Remainers. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50423622Does this man ever say anything concrete? I’m sure he once said blue circle
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Post by pearo on Nov 14, 2019 20:58:06 GMT
So the party hierarchy in Venezuela are starving like the general public That’s nice of them to show a bit of solidarity You could have of course said Portugal. Crippling American sanctions on Venezuela are of course a major factor in the state of that particular country if you want to debate that. Like a lot of ideologies it’s often about credibility of the people implementing it rather than the system itself..... Spot on, you’ve summed it up perfectly. Credibility, Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnell ( spot the odd one out)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 21:28:22 GMT
You could have of course said Portugal. Crippling American sanctions on Venezuela are of course a major factor in the state of that particular country if you want to debate that. Like a lot of ideologies it’s often about credibility of the people implementing it rather than the system itself..... Venezuela is suffering primarily because of the socialist policies of Chavez. Have a read of this which explains how. Some valid points, and I’m not going to completely defend the Venezuelan government as they have made many mistakes. But let’s be clear since 2002 the USA have done everything in there power to undermine the Venezuelan regime. Chavez addressed the crippling poverty levels in 1998 until the coup in 2002 (backed by the US) when a shutdown of the oil industry completely crippled the economy and reversed some of the good work Chavez had done. Not to mention the tens of billions of seized bonds owed to Venezuela, and the 2014 sanctions by Obama that have basically starved the country of food and medical supplies. There’s no black and white answer to the issues in Venezuela, but it’s disingenuous to put all the blame on them. It’s happening again in Bolivia know where a right wing coup backed by the US has intervened. The cycle of American imperialism goes on and on......
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Post by salopstick on Nov 14, 2019 21:32:21 GMT
Venezuela is suffering primarily because of the socialist policies of Chavez. Have a read of this which explains how. Some valid points, and I’m not going to completely defend the Venezuelan government as they have made many mistakes. But let’s be clear since 2002 the USA have done everything in there power to undermine the Venezuelan regime. Chavez addressed the crippling poverty levels in 1998 until the coup in 2002 (backed by the US) when a shutdown of the oil industry completely crippled the economy and reversed some of the good work Chavez had done. Not to mention the tens of billions of seized bonds owed to Venezuela, and the 2014 sanctions by Obama that have basically starved the country of food and medical supplies. There’s no black and white answer to the issues in Venezuela, but it’s disingenuous to put all the blame on them. It’s happening again in Bolivia know where a right wing coup backed by the US has intervened. The cycle of American imperialism goes on and on...... Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 14, 2019 21:36:02 GMT
Some valid points, and I’m not going to completely defend the Venezuelan government as they have made many mistakes. But let’s be clear since 2002 the USA have done everything in there power to undermine the Venezuelan regime. Chavez addressed the crippling poverty levels in 1998 until the coup in 2002 (backed by the US) when a shutdown of the oil industry completely crippled the economy and reversed some of the good work Chavez had done. Not to mention the tens of billions of seized bonds owed to Venezuela, and the 2014 sanctions by Obama that have basically starved the country of food and medical supplies. There’s no black and white answer to the issues in Venezuela, but it’s disingenuous to put all the blame on them. It’s happening again in Bolivia know where a right wing coup backed by the US has intervened. The cycle of American imperialism goes on and on...... Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did Well if your the darling of the left leaning liberal elite you pretty much get a free pass
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:29:35 GMT
Some valid points, and I’m not going to completely defend the Venezuelan government as they have made many mistakes. But let’s be clear since 2002 the USA have done everything in there power to undermine the Venezuelan regime. Chavez addressed the crippling poverty levels in 1998 until the coup in 2002 (backed by the US) when a shutdown of the oil industry completely crippled the economy and reversed some of the good work Chavez had done. Not to mention the tens of billions of seized bonds owed to Venezuela, and the 2014 sanctions by Obama that have basically starved the country of food and medical supplies. There’s no black and white answer to the issues in Venezuela, but it’s disingenuous to put all the blame on them. It’s happening again in Bolivia know where a right wing coup backed by the US has intervened. The cycle of American imperialism goes on and on...... Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did Obama gets off way too lightly. Look at Libya, an absolute disaster mainly of his making......
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Post by felonious on Nov 15, 2019 5:30:44 GMT
You could have of course said Portugal. Crippling American sanctions on Venezuela are of course a major factor in the state of that particular country if you want to debate that. Like a lot of ideologies it’s often about credibility of the people implementing it rather than the system itself..... Spot on, you’ve summed it up perfectly. Credibility, Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnell ( spot the odd one out) Sorry Pearo, can you give me a clue?
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Post by felonious on Nov 15, 2019 5:34:18 GMT
Some valid points, and I’m not going to completely defend the Venezuelan government as they have made many mistakes. But let’s be clear since 2002 the USA have done everything in there power to undermine the Venezuelan regime. Chavez addressed the crippling poverty levels in 1998 until the coup in 2002 (backed by the US) when a shutdown of the oil industry completely crippled the economy and reversed some of the good work Chavez had done. Not to mention the tens of billions of seized bonds owed to Venezuela, and the 2014 sanctions by Obama that have basically starved the country of food and medical supplies. There’s no black and white answer to the issues in Venezuela, but it’s disingenuous to put all the blame on them. It’s happening again in Bolivia know where a right wing coup backed by the US has intervened. The cycle of American imperialism goes on and on...... Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did Unless he's interfering here to get the UK to remain in the EU. US foreign policy eh?
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Post by sunshine on Nov 15, 2019 6:06:33 GMT
Surprised thicko abbot hasn't suggested borrowing money to pay off the national debt yet
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2019 6:54:31 GMT
Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did Unless he's interfering here to get the UK to remain in the EU. US foreign policy eh? Yet momo only claims trump is a puppet master
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 15, 2019 7:08:01 GMT
Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did Obama gets off way too lightly. Look at Libya, an absolute disaster mainly of his making...... As much as I detest Trump Obama was just as bad in different ways possibly worse tbh. Guantanamo =still open Dropped more bombs than any other president in history. Deported 2.9 Million people from the USA=Trump is way behind Many more but cannot be arsed.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 15, 2019 7:24:20 GMT
Some valid points, and I’m not going to completely defend the Venezuelan government as they have made many mistakes. But let’s be clear since 2002 the USA have done everything in there power to undermine the Venezuelan regime. Chavez addressed the crippling poverty levels in 1998 until the coup in 2002 (backed by the US) when a shutdown of the oil industry completely crippled the economy and reversed some of the good work Chavez had done. Not to mention the tens of billions of seized bonds owed to Venezuela, and the 2014 sanctions by Obama that have basically starved the country of food and medical supplies. There’s no black and white answer to the issues in Venezuela, but it’s disingenuous to put all the blame on them. It’s happening again in Bolivia know where a right wing coup backed by the US has intervened. The cycle of American imperialism goes on and on...... Obama doesn’t get enough credit for the shit he did I wonder why? It wouldn't be 'woke' to criticise Obama would it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 15, 2019 16:58:25 GMT
Whether you agree with him or the sentiments Churchill was great with words to make his point.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 15, 2019 21:11:18 GMT
The baby's face
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Post by Northy on Nov 15, 2019 22:32:47 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 15, 2019 22:39:51 GMT
. ...poison most of the fish in the pool, then blame immigrants and the poor, and he votes Conservative
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Post by felonious on Nov 16, 2019 7:05:57 GMT
He's the generation that will be paying for a Corbyn government. Taken from the other thread in case you've missrd it. A little girl named Suzy was standing on the pavement in front of her home. Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures, in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS. Suddenly a black car pulled up beside her. Out of the car stepped a grey haired bearded old man. "Hello little girl, I'm Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the labour party. What do you have in the basket?" he asked. "Kittens," little Suzy said. "How old are they?" asked Corbyn. Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet." "And what kind of kittens are they?" "Labour party left wing socialists," answered Suzy with a smile. Corbyn was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR boss and told him about the little girl and the lovely fluffy kittens. Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the Labour leader should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens. So next day, Suzy was again standing on the pavement with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when the black car pulled up, this time followed by vans from BBC, ITV and Sky. Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Corbyn got out of his car and walked over to little Suzy. "Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away." "Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're Conservatives." Taken by surprise, Corbyn stammered, "But... but…yesterday, you told me they were Labour party left wing socialists." Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know. But today, they have their eyes open.”
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2019 14:12:41 GMT
So remember Bernie Grant? PC Blakelock's family do.
Back in the day he proposed the Government should pay for black people to relocate to Africa or the Caribbean if they wanted to. A crazy, racially motivated concept highly dismissed as looney tunes except by a Mr J Corbyn MP.
Is there any batshit nonsense that Jezza hasn't supported?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2019 17:22:05 GMT
So remember Bernie Grant? PC Blakelock's family do. Back in the day he proposed the Government should pay for black people to relocate to Africa or the Caribbean if they wanted to. A crazy, racially motivated concept highly dismissed as looney tunes except by a Mr J Corbyn MP. Is there any batshit nonsense that Jezza hasn't supported? So Corbyn supported a motion that would give them a choice and financially assist them if they chose to move back to their land of origin. Twenty years later, the Conservatives would forcibly send some of these same people back to their land of origin with fuck all. Neither of them are great ideas, but I know which one is worse. If I was a Tory I wouldn't be voluntarily putting the treatment of Carribean people in the spotlight at this election.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2019 18:02:06 GMT
So remember Bernie Grant? PC Blakelock's family do. Back in the day he proposed the Government should pay for black people to relocate to Africa or the Caribbean if they wanted to. A crazy, racially motivated concept highly dismissed as looney tunes except by a Mr J Corbyn MP. Is there any batshit nonsense that Jezza hasn't supported? So Corbyn supported a motion that would give them a choice and financially assist them if they chose to move back to their land of origin. Twenty years later, the Conservatives would forcibly send some of these same people back to their land of origin with fuck all. Neither of them are great ideas, but I know which one is worse. If I was a Tory I wouldn't be voluntarily putting the treatment of Carribean people in the spotlight at this election. Yawn. The decision to destroy landing cards from the Windrush generation was taken under a Labour Government. The 'hostile environment' was originally a Labour policy under Alan Johnson. Bernie Grant was a cnut and Corbyn loved him.
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