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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2019 11:25:48 GMT
Lots of insults and name calling flying around, and I am ashamed to say I was one of the perpetrators. . I really do apologise, and promise to keep it all in PM from now. Just out of interest shangs, why are insults and name calling any more acceptable in PM format? They're not.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 11, 2019 11:30:00 GMT
Goodbye old friend. I'll just leave this here for old times sake. A leaked memo from Labour about how to divert attention from a TV documentary showing their institutional anti-semitism. Loving the separate "outriders" instructions. Outriders?? Is that like Squealer Jones, Novaria Mediocre, Paul Mason and Mongmentum? So in the same breath as criticising people for being anti-Semitic, you're using the m-word, which is clearly defined as offensive to people with learning disabilities, and which organisations like the Downs Syndrome Association have asked people to stop using. Self awareness not your forte pal?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 11, 2019 11:36:29 GMT
Have the BBC responded yet to why they altered a letter by Seamus Milne to completely change the context and meaing of it, to make a Political point?
Asking on behalf of people who are genuinely worried about anti-Semitism.
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Post by Davef on Jul 11, 2019 13:50:38 GMT
Have the BBC responded yet to why they altered a letter by Seamus Milne to completely change the context and meaing of it, to make a Political point? Asking on behalf of people who are genuinely worried about anti-Semitism. I thought Super Tommy Robinson had exposed Panorama as a conniving, deceitful bunch of shysters a few months ago?
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 11, 2019 15:44:23 GMT
Have the BBC responded yet to why they altered a letter by Seamus Milne to completely change the context and meaing of it, to make a Political point? Asking on behalf of people who are genuinely worried about anti-Semitism. Have the leadership responded to why they were getting involved in disciplinary cases when they previously claimed they didn't ? I don't think the context of the whole e-mail makes it any better light or answers the question why only Labour seems to have a problem with people claiming jewish heritage making racist comments about jewish people.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2019 15:48:56 GMT
EHRC making 'steady progress' with Labour anti-semitism claims
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 11, 2019 16:10:55 GMT
They're a dead party, only a maniac would consider this burning shitshow worthy of a vote. Horrible party, horrible policies, horrible members. How does that wash with other school teachers, I thought you were all indoctrinated? It washes exactly as well as my pro-Brexit stance does!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2019 17:31:58 GMT
Have the BBC responded yet to why they altered a letter by Seamus Milne to completely change the context and meaing of it, to make a Political point? Asking on behalf of people who are genuinely worried about anti-Semitism. I thought Super Tommy Robinson had exposed Panorama as a conniving, deceitful bunch of shysters a few months ago? This is the thing, if you support somebody it's all bollocks and lies, if you don't it's great journalism by the Beeb. Not everyone can be right. It's getting to the point where I might boycott the lot of it. You don't know who to believe any more.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 11, 2019 17:47:16 GMT
Why was the original thread locked? I was really enjoying that đŸ˜† Lots of insults and name calling flying around, and I am ashamed to say I was one of the perpetrators. . I really do apologise, and promise to keep it all in PM from now. Arnt you due a seat on the naughty-step around this time of year...
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 11, 2019 18:08:17 GMT
I thought Super Tommy Robinson had exposed Panorama as a conniving, deceitful bunch of shysters a few months ago? This is the thing, if you support somebody it's all bollocks and lies, if you don't it's great journalism by the Beeb. Not everyone can be right. It's getting to the point where I might boycott the lot of it. You don't know who to believe any more. You raise a very fair point here which cuts to the problem of tribalism in politics, tricky. People often selectively believe what they want to rather than carefully analysing what's presented. The Tommy Robinson documentary about Panorama was a million miles away from the comprehensive expose he portrayed it as, and he's an absolutely awful "journalist". In fact he isn't one at all. However it was very disappointing that the BBC felt the need to employ dirty tricks and an "out to get him" policy when they really didn't need to. There's enough unsavoury stuff about Tommy Robinson that the beeb could and should have simply reported the facts and trusted the viewers to make up their own minds. Instead they tried to force it, which is lazy, patronising AND undermines faith in them to put together a fair and balanced report on anyone else (what have they added/omitted THIS time etc). I've not seen the anti Semitism Panorama yet so will reserve judgement. But as you say they've unnecessarily made it harder to trust what they put together, for those with a critical mind at least.
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Post by mattyd on Jul 11, 2019 18:41:16 GMT
Just out of interest shangs, why are insults and name calling any more acceptable in PM format? They're not. I have halted all hostilities and feel pretty ashamed at how low I stooped.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 11, 2019 18:48:00 GMT
You can't help but feel that Jeremy has served his purpose and there are forces out to replace him. Of course the MSM is deeply involved in all of this.
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Post by felonious on Jul 11, 2019 18:52:21 GMT
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Post by felonious on Jul 11, 2019 18:53:40 GMT
You can't help but feel that Jeremy has served his purpose and there are forces out to replace him. Of course the MSM is deeply involved in all of this. Destroying the Labour Party?
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Post by mattyd on Jul 11, 2019 18:53:56 GMT
You can't help but feel that Jeremy has served his purpose and there are forces out to replace him. Of course the MSM is deeply involved in all of this. I am quite certain that not only does he face whistle blowers from within his own party, but MI5/6 have been drip feeding dirt on him to MSM, thats how deep the fear of him getting into No10 is.
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Post by felonious on Jul 11, 2019 18:56:12 GMT
Tom Watson's not letting up. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48956973In a letter to Labour General Secretary Jenny Formby, Mr Watson said the party's response had failed those who spoke to the programme and "breached all common standards of decency". "The way that they have been smeared, including by Labour spokespeople, is deplorable," he wrote. "Even if some in the party did not want to hear what they had to say, it is unacceptable to attempt to undermine their integrity and characters in this manner." He said Ms Formby had "insisted" members of the shadow cabinet should not have the right to see the EHRC submission, but added: "I disagree." "Only sunlight can disinfect Labour of anti-Semitism now," he wrote. I can't even imagine the furore on here if the Tories had treated their employees so shabbily.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 11, 2019 18:58:39 GMT
You can't help but feel that Jeremy has served his purpose and there are forces out to replace him. Of course the MSM is deeply involved in all of this. Destroying the Labour Party? Is his party the Labour Party?
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Post by felonious on Jul 11, 2019 19:01:27 GMT
Destroying the Labour Party? Is his party the Labour Party? Well they used to say it was a broad church.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 11, 2019 21:04:59 GMT
Is his party the Labour Party? Well they used to say it was a broad church. Obviously doesn't include Synagogue's anymore I bet the Mosques are included though, for the many but not the Jew
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 11, 2019 22:11:31 GMT
Now I'm sure that people will say, 'Asa Winstanley' etc (I'm looking at you fyd ) and I absolutely get that but much of this is fact and pure observation. These people may be victims and if so its disgusting but why would the national broadcaster omit such key information from its viewers? What is their end goal?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 22:25:53 GMT
Pretty much sums up the Panorama documentary....
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Post by felonious on Jul 12, 2019 5:54:54 GMT
Now I'm sure that people will say, 'Asa Winstanley' etc (I'm looking at you fyd ) and I absolutely get that but much of this is fact and pure observation. These people may be victims and if so its disgusting but why would the national broadcaster omit such key information from its viewers? What is their end goal? What does he say about the 8 Labour party employees and Labour party members who were the majority voice of the programme last night and are now being systematically discredited by the Corbyn machine. If ever there was a need for Union representation against an employer.....
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Post by felonious on Jul 12, 2019 5:57:17 GMT
Well they used to say it was a broad church. Obviously doesn't include Synagogue's anymore I bet the Mosques are included though, for the many but not the Jew I have a feeling this problem's not going to passover any time soon.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 12, 2019 6:21:09 GMT
Well they used to say it was a broad church. Obviously doesn't include Synagogue's anymore I bet the Mosques are included though, for the many but not the Jew That’s V good Carps. Did you make it up yourself...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 8:24:00 GMT
Now I'm sure that people will say, 'Asa Winstanley' etc (I'm looking at you fyd ) and I absolutely get that but much of this is fact and pure observation. These people may be victims and if so its disgusting but why would the national broadcaster omit such key information from its viewers? What is their end goal? What does he say about the 8 Labour party employees and Labour party members who were the majority voice of the programme last night and are now being systematically discredited by the Corbyn machine. If ever there was a need for Union representation against an employer..... He says this about one of them. Another one appears to have lied about emails that were mentioned (and doctored), then there was the one talking about an "Israeli lobby" trope, whilst being part of BICOM which is literally an Israeli think tank lobbying in the UK (not sure how the so-called trope is antisemitic but hey ho?), then there was the former NEC general secretary who sat on cases that have had to be dealt with by Jenny Formby's team which have added to the backlog. Not forgetting MP Louise Ellman, who went on the BBC to accuse Corbyn of going to a meeting with a holocaust denier (a Jewish survivor of the holocaust), forgetting that she was actually at the same meeting for the whole duration (Corbyn left after an hour). I feel for anyone Labour activist/member who have genuinely suffered this disgusting bigotry, but the Panorama documentary appears to be an exercise in barrel scraping. Show the actual credible, tangible evidence so the Labour Party can get rid of the 0.06% of anti-Jewish racists infiltrating the party, show that it will not be tolerated and move on to rid the country of this horrific Tory shitshow, any decent person would want that to happen.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 12, 2019 8:34:09 GMT
What does he say about the 8 Labour party employees and Labour party members who were the majority voice of the programme last night and are now being systematically discredited by the Corbyn machine. If ever there was a need for Union representation against an employer..... He says this about one of them. Another one appears to have lied about emails that were mentioned (and doctored), then there was the one talking about an "Israeli lobby" trope, whilst being part of BICOM which is literally an Israeli think tank lobbying in the UK (not sure how the so-called trope is antisemitic but hey ho?), then there was the former NEC general secretary who sat on cases that have had to be dealt with by Jenny Formby's team which have added to the backlog. Not forgetting MP Louise Ellman, who went on the BBC to accuse Corbyn of going to a meeting with a holocaust denier (a Jewish survivor of the holocaust), forgetting that she was actually at the same meeting for the whole duration (Corbyn left after an hour). I feel for anyone Labour activist/member who have genuinely suffered this disgusting bigotry, but the Panorama documentary appears to be an exercise in barrel scraping. Show the actual credible, tangible evidence so the Labour Party can get rid of the 0.06% of anti-Jewish racists infiltrating the party, show that it will not be tolerated and move on to rid the country of this horrific Tory shitshow, any decent person would want that to happen..... You'll see none of this in the media sadly, the narrative is set and wont be challenged. A lot of people who claim to be champions of democracy confusingly seem to be unperturbed by all of this.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 12, 2019 8:37:13 GMT
Tom Watson's not letting up. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48956973In a letter to Labour General Secretary Jenny Formby, Mr Watson said the party's response had failed those who spoke to the programme and "breached all common standards of decency". "The way that they have been smeared, including by Labour spokespeople, is deplorable," he wrote. "Even if some in the party did not want to hear what they had to say, it is unacceptable to attempt to undermine their integrity and characters in this manner." He said Ms Formby had "insisted" members of the shadow cabinet should not have the right to see the EHRC submission, but added: "I disagree." "Only sunlight can disinfect Labour of anti-Semitism now," he wrote. I can't even imagine the furore on here if the Tories had treated their employees so shabbily. Tom Watson is on manoeuvres and it has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Semitism.
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Post by Davef on Jul 12, 2019 8:52:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 9:19:35 GMT
Tom Watson's not letting up. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48956973In a letter to Labour General Secretary Jenny Formby, Mr Watson said the party's response had failed those who spoke to the programme and "breached all common standards of decency". "The way that they have been smeared, including by Labour spokespeople, is deplorable," he wrote. "Even if some in the party did not want to hear what they had to say, it is unacceptable to attempt to undermine their integrity and characters in this manner." He said Ms Formby had "insisted" members of the shadow cabinet should not have the right to see the EHRC submission, but added: "I disagree." "Only sunlight can disinfect Labour of anti-Semitism now," he wrote. I can't even imagine the furore on here if the Tories had treated their employees so shabbily. Tom Watson is on manoeuvres and it has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Semitism. One solitary member of the CLP tabled a motion against MP Ellie Reeves. Watson "This is a disgrace, she's 5 months pregnant and shows the bullying culture in Labour" It's fine to harass Jenny Formby whilst she's off having chemotherapy for her cancer though. Good old Tom I just can't put my finger on what Tom's motives are............. I'm sure the good people of his West Bromwich constituency - the ones that voted to leave the EU that he's ignoring - are pleased that in this age of austerity he has his priorities well and truly right......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 12, 2019 11:11:50 GMT
It's kicking off when Big John gets involved!
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