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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 6, 2019 9:02:29 GMT
There is a strange trend developing in language that seems to require that simple nomenclature and titles somehow require embroidery and elaboration. To act as explanation or description? To make something seem more interesting than it is? The reasons might be many but I am puzzled by this proliferation of naming extension and how new examples become so quickly accepted into use as modern idioms.
For example in Ireland we always had the classic "the mainly Catholic SDLP". It seems that this political party could not be mentioned without the "explanatory" prefix and it became their working title.
More recently of course we had "Frank Lampard's Derby". And this week at Wimbledon we had the emergence of "the 15 year old teen sensation Coco Gauff". It seemed that no commentator could refer to this young female tennis player without seeking to sensationalize her.
In the past the occasional and justified use of simple adjectives to help describe someone would be fine, as in the "incomparable Johann Cruyff" but not everytime he was mentioned.
We seem to have moved towards a contrived reality where new arrangements or characters have to be built up, labelled and given exaggerated description to make them more interesting or marketeable. There are many, many examples of this.
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Post by ravey123 on Jul 6, 2019 9:20:24 GMT
There is a strange trend developing in language that seems to require that simple nomenclature and titles somehow require embroidery and elaboration. To act as explanation or description? To make something seem more interesting than it is? The reasons might be many but I am puzzled by this proliferation of naming extension and how new examples become so quickly accepted into use as modern idioms. For example in Ireland we always had the classic "the mainly Catholic SDLP". It seems that this political party could not be mentioned without the "explanatory" prefix and it became their working title. More recently of course we had "Frank Lampard's Derby". And this week at Wimbledon we had the emergence of "the 15 year old teen sensation Coco Gauff". It seemed that no commentator could refer to this young female tennis player without seeking to sensationalize her. In the past the occasional and justified use of simple adjectives to help describe someone would be fine, as in the "incomparable Johann Cruyff" but not everytime he was mentioned. We seem to have moved towards a contrived reality where new arrangements or characters have to be built up, labelled and given exaggerated description to make them more interesting or marketeable. There are many, many examples of this. Your are right - I'm currently watching "the incredibly fast fingered Geddy Lee" |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 6, 2019 10:04:56 GMT
Thought this was going to be about Stone Island & the like🐊
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 6, 2019 10:49:06 GMT
"So called" Islamic State is my favourite.
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 6, 2019 12:37:22 GMT
The right honorable "whoever".
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Post by telfordstoke on Jul 6, 2019 12:44:16 GMT
Hearing people I can’t stand referred to as “ national treasures” or “ the nations favourite” irks every time. David Jason, I’m looking at you!!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 6, 2019 13:02:29 GMT
Nah this is to be encouraged, conveying as much information in as few words as possible is an art form.
"'So Called' Islamic State" is different as it's a deliberate political act to delegitimise its association with what the media wants us to consider "true" Islam.
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Post by felonious on Jul 6, 2019 13:48:57 GMT
"So called" Islamic State is my favourite. Daesh you apologist  |
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Post by eebygum on Jul 6, 2019 13:57:04 GMT
I'd ratha av eur bowl o' cocoa gauff's. or t' so-called chockoa crispies  |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 6, 2019 15:25:26 GMT
Fuck off
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Post by Mendicant on Jul 6, 2019 20:54:15 GMT
There is a strange trend developing in language that seems to require that simple nomenclature and titles somehow require embroidery and elaboration. To act as explanation or description? To make something seem more interesting than it is? The reasons might be many but I am puzzled by this proliferation of naming extension and how new examples become so quickly accepted into use as modern idioms. For example in Ireland we always had the classic "the mainly Catholic SDLP". It seems that this political party could not be mentioned without the "explanatory" prefix and it became their working title. More recently of course we had "Frank Lampard's Derby". And this week at Wimbledon we had the emergence of "the 15 year old teen sensation Coco Gauff". It seemed that no commentator could refer to this young female tennis player without seeking to sensationalize her. In the past the occasional and justified use of simple adjectives to help describe someone would be fine, as in the "incomparable Johann Cruyff" but not everytime he was mentioned. We seem to have moved towards a contrived reality where new arrangements or characters have to be built up, labelled and given exaggerated description to make them more interesting or marketeable. There are many, many examples of this. Agreed. People who preface their allegiance to Stoke by revealing the county they live in as another example  I think adjectives generally get fingered behind the bike shed of diction these days. "Really", "very", "extremely" and literally are used "way" too often. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 6, 2019 21:02:06 GMT
The prefacing words used are often meaningless and used merely for impact or effect. I myself for example have a home in more than one County.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 6, 2019 21:08:25 GMT
The prefacing words used are often meaningless and used merely for impact or effect. I myself for example have a home in more than one County. That's different though, that's filler garbage that adds no information. |
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Post by innocentbystander on Jul 6, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
As usual Radio Stoke haven't quite got it right:
"Swans have caused tailbacks on the A500.
The large aquatic birds held up traffic until moved"
As if "swans" needed explaining...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 23:40:49 GMT
I think it's more to do with priming. Tempering your expectations and behaviour-changing the way the brain frames nouns and information, Which touches on but is itself more than what people have touched on.
I think it boils down to this-
Its no longer just: 'fact'. Its: 'opinion stated as fact'
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Post by kelw on Jul 7, 2019 0:31:40 GMT
People who put 'Sunny' in front of where they come from. Why?
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Post by zerps on Jul 7, 2019 4:13:50 GMT
People who put 'Sunny' in front of where they come from. Why? I always say wanky stoke on trent |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 7, 2019 4:59:51 GMT
Of course you need labels
How am I to tell the difference between my blackberry and my black currant jam if there were no labels
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Post by zerps on Jul 7, 2019 5:59:52 GMT
Anyone starting a sentence with so should be shot in the head
Needed saying
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Post by ravey123 on Jul 7, 2019 9:05:46 GMT
Anyone starting a sentence with so should be shot in the head Needed saying Here Here Or if they end a sentence with "I think" or even worse those annoying people who's voice goes higher at the end of every sentence making everything they say sound like a question?????? When you speak to one of those it's like being bloody interrogated. |
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Post by zerps on Jul 7, 2019 10:01:39 GMT
Anyone starting a sentence with so should be shot in the head Needed saying Here Here Or if they end a sentence with "I think" or even worse those annoying people who's voice goes higher at the end of every sentence making everything they say sound like a question?????? When you speak to one of those it's like being bloody interrogated. You mean yanks? 😆 |
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Post by eebygum on Jul 7, 2019 10:42:50 GMT
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Post by kelw on Jul 7, 2019 12:19:40 GMT
Of course you need labels How am I to tell the difference between my blackberry and my black currant jam if there were no labels The blackberry is the fruit bearing shrub of the genus, Taxlink and a slightly more colourful pantone, usually about 4007. Ribes Nigrum, ie blackcurrant is far darker, almost black. The blackcurrant has a slightly sharper taste due to the gamma linolenic acid it contains. |
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