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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 4:10:01 GMT
Re-watched the first one earlier. Do you think anything will come close to the scale of these movies again? Everything is moving towards digital effects and all that but no fantasy movie / series has felt as epic as LOTR for me. The amount of real extras alone is amazing, no wonder the credits are like 20-30 minutes long.
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Post by lordb on Jul 1, 2019 5:58:06 GMT
There is a TV series coming.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 1, 2019 9:44:13 GMT
I watch them at least once every year and they never cease to trigger the same sense of wonder I had when I first watched them as a kid. The CGI in places looks a bit dated but it more than makes up for it with costume design//makeup which is absolutely unsurpassed by any film before or since.
Howard Shore is an absolute genius, his creation and use of musical themes all the way through the trilogy is among the best out there. My favourite example being Frodo on Mount Doom attempting to crawl whilst the same flute from the Shire plays, it's absolutely beautiful. Christopher Tolkien wasn't a fan, but I would go as far as to say he's wrong. The films added so much emotion to scenes that in the book are a bit "meh"...the death of Boromir and the Breaking of the Fellowship for one. It's very interesting too how my favourite film of the 3 has constantly switched round as I've got older, it was firmly Return of The King but now I think it's most definitely Fellowship of The Ring, it's the most mysterious by far and has some of the best elements of courage and bravery at its forefront.
I personally don't think we'll see anything like it again.
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Post by rivival on Jul 1, 2019 11:03:10 GMT
Won't be surprised if there is a remake in 10 years or so. A pc version no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 14:51:06 GMT
There is a TV series coming. I don't think that will have the same scale and epicness to it personally
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 14:52:40 GMT
I watch them at least once every year and they never cease to trigger the same sense of wonder I had when I first watched them as a kid. The CGI in places looks a bit dated but it more than makes up for it with costume design//makeup which is absolutely unsurpassed by any film before or since. Howard Shore is an absolute genius, his creation and use of musical themes all the way through the trilogy is among the best out there. My favourite example being Frodo on Mount Doom attempting to crawl whilst the same flute from the Shire plays, it's absolutely beautiful. Christopher Tolkien wasn't a fan, but I would go as far as to say he's wrong. The films added so much emotion to scenes that in the book are a bit "meh"...the death of Boromir and the Breaking of the Fellowship for one. It's very interesting too how my favourite film of the 3 has constantly switched round as I've got older, it was firmly Return of The King but now I think it's most definitely Fellowship of The Ring, it's the most mysterious by far and has some of the best elements of courage and bravery at its forefront. I personally don't think we'll see anything like it again. I think if I was to rank them it'd probably be The Two Towers > Fellowship > Return
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 1, 2019 14:57:49 GMT
I watch them at least once every year and they never cease to trigger the same sense of wonder I had when I first watched them as a kid. The CGI in places looks a bit dated but it more than makes up for it with costume design//makeup which is absolutely unsurpassed by any film before or since. Howard Shore is an absolute genius, his creation and use of musical themes all the way through the trilogy is among the best out there. My favourite example being Frodo on Mount Doom attempting to crawl whilst the same flute from the Shire plays, it's absolutely beautiful. Christopher Tolkien wasn't a fan, but I would go as far as to say he's wrong. The films added so much emotion to scenes that in the book are a bit "meh"...the death of Boromir and the Breaking of the Fellowship for one. It's very interesting too how my favourite film of the 3 has constantly switched round as I've got older, it was firmly Return of The King but now I think it's most definitely Fellowship of The Ring, it's the most mysterious by far and has some of the best elements of courage and bravery at its forefront. I personally don't think we'll see anything like it again. I think if I was to rank them it'd probably be The Two Towers > Fellowship > Return I'd agree in terms of theatrical versions, extended cut adds a lot to Fellowship IMO. Bilbo's "concerning Hobbits" monologue for instance.
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Post by lordb on Jul 1, 2019 16:15:44 GMT
There is a TV series coming. I don't think that will have the same scale and epicness to it personally Who knows? Apparently budget is huge.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 1, 2019 16:29:11 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 17:47:01 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days...
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Post by salopstick on Jul 1, 2019 18:05:03 GMT
I watch them at least once every year and they never cease to trigger the same sense of wonder I had when I first watched them as a kid. The CGI in places looks a bit dated but it more than makes up for it with costume design//makeup which is absolutely unsurpassed by any film before or since. Howard Shore is an absolute genius, his creation and use of musical themes all the way through the trilogy is among the best out there. My favourite example being Frodo on Mount Doom attempting to crawl whilst the same flute from the Shire plays, it's absolutely beautiful. Christopher Tolkien wasn't a fan, but I would go as far as to say he's wrong. The films added so much emotion to scenes that in the book are a bit "meh"...the death of Boromir and the Breaking of the Fellowship for one. It's very interesting too how my favourite film of the 3 has constantly switched round as I've got older, it was firmly Return of The King but now I think it's most definitely Fellowship of The Ring, it's the most mysterious by far and has some of the best elements of courage and bravery at its forefront. I personally don't think we'll see anything like it again. They ruined the hobbit by not doing it in one film
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Post by salopstick on Jul 1, 2019 18:06:48 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . I love the hobbit must have read it once a year since child hood. I tried LOTR but couldn’t get into it as I never had the time. Then did a 6 month tour of south Armagh and smashed it in two weeks. Brilliant
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Post by salopstick on Jul 1, 2019 18:07:31 GMT
John Rhys Davies is my mother in laws cousin
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 1, 2019 18:09:52 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days... Many years ago late eighties thereabouts I saw some of that myself was introduced to him by my cousin who was a priest at the time I was reading the hobbit myself 👍
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Post by questionable on Jul 1, 2019 18:11:27 GMT
Keep promising ourselves that one weekend we’ll sit down and binge the lot of them back to back and the Harry Potter ones.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 1, 2019 18:36:11 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days... He was the parish priest at hartshill Catholic Church when I attended their in the early 70 s sadly he was implicated in the sexual assault of young boys
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 1, 2019 20:20:29 GMT
I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days... He was the parish priest at hartshill Catholic Church when I attended their in the early 70 s sadly he was implicated in the sexual assault of young boys Never knew that about the abuse allegations, it was hartshill where I met him nothing inappropriate about my meeting with him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 20:39:27 GMT
He was the parish priest at hartshill Catholic Church when I attended their in the early 70 s sadly he was implicated in the sexual assault of young boys Never knew that about the abuse allegations, it was hartshill where I met him nothing inappropriate about my meeting with him Nor with me, always found him to be a great bloke. As far as I remember there were no charges but the allegations always stuck with his name.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 2, 2019 3:37:27 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . I love the hobbit must have read it once a year since child hood. I tried LOTR but couldn’t get into it as I never had the time. Then did a 6 month tour of south Armagh and smashed it in two weeks. Brilliant Yes mate it's hard going at the start with all the genealogy etc
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 2, 2019 6:06:55 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . Read the books several times fully agree they are extraordinary As far as a book goes a masterpiece The films not overly impressed yes great cinematic But I thought the adaptation left vast amounts of the overall background out and pissed about with what they left in Personally I think it was a book best left alone but if it has led to millions reading the book than maybe it’s served a purpose The bbc did a brilliant radio adaptation in the late seventies well worth a listen Think it’s on you tube
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 2, 2019 7:47:46 GMT
I watch them at least once every year and they never cease to trigger the same sense of wonder I had when I first watched them as a kid. The CGI in places looks a bit dated but it more than makes up for it with costume design//makeup which is absolutely unsurpassed by any film before or since. Howard Shore is an absolute genius, his creation and use of musical themes all the way through the trilogy is among the best out there. My favourite example being Frodo on Mount Doom attempting to crawl whilst the same flute from the Shire plays, it's absolutely beautiful. Christopher Tolkien wasn't a fan, but I would go as far as to say he's wrong. The films added so much emotion to scenes that in the book are a bit "meh"...the death of Boromir and the Breaking of the Fellowship for one. It's very interesting too how my favourite film of the 3 has constantly switched round as I've got older, it was firmly Return of The King but now I think it's most definitely Fellowship of The Ring, it's the most mysterious by far and has some of the best elements of courage and bravery at its forefront. I personally don't think we'll see anything like it again. They ruined the hobbit by not doing it in one film They originally planned two films for the Hobbit, An Unexpected Journey and then There and Back Again. I've no idea why they changed it to 3 films but I agree it should have been one 2.5-3 hour film with a lot of the extraneous stuff removed from it. About 30 minutes of the third film is watching a non-canon Legolas do front flips.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 2, 2019 7:48:37 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . Read the books several times fully agree they are extraordinary As far as a book goes a masterpiece The films not overly impressed yes great cinematic But I thought the adaptation left vast amounts of the overall background out and pissed about with what they left in Personally I think it was a book best left alone but if it has led to millions reading the book than maybe it’s served a purpose The bbc did a brilliant radio adaptation in the late seventies well worth a listen Think it’s on you tube Have you seen the extended versions pal? They add a lot more to it, Return of the King gets another hour almost entirely dedicated to background and lore extension.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 2, 2019 8:12:39 GMT
Read the books several times fully agree they are extraordinary As far as a book goes a masterpiece The films not overly impressed yes great cinematic But I thought the adaptation left vast amounts of the overall background out and pissed about with what they left in Personally I think it was a book best left alone but if it has led to millions reading the book than maybe it’s served a purpose The bbc did a brilliant radio adaptation in the late seventies well worth a listen Think it’s on you tube Have you seen the extended versions pal? They add a lot more to it, Return of the King gets another hour almost entirely dedicated to background and lore extension. No I haven’t I’ll give them a try It’s probably down to having read a book as a child/ early adult you form opinions on characters And somehow films never quite match it As I said earlier as a film outstanding as a adaptation not so good
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 2, 2019 8:14:13 GMT
Have you seen the extended versions pal? They add a lot more to it, Return of the King gets another hour almost entirely dedicated to background and lore extension. No I haven’t I’ll give them a try It’s probably down to having read a book as a child/ early adult you form opinions on characters And somehow films never quite match it As I said earlier as a film outstanding as a adaptation not so good Yeah they're worth it, certainly still not as detailed as the books but they certainly add a lot more "Tolkien" to it. Fair enough opinions
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Post by kelw on Jul 2, 2019 9:46:47 GMT
Read the books, for anyone who hasn't they are extraordinary ,I did 50 years ago in the middle of exams ,not very helpful as I couldn't put it down . I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days... John Tolkein was Chaplain of St Joseph's School in Stoke and a school in Birmingham. Someone tried to accuse him of something or other after he died but think was nonsense. Never read the books or seen the new films but did see a half animated one on TV once or did I imagine that?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 2, 2019 9:57:10 GMT
I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days... John Tolkein was Chaplain of St Joseph's School in Stoke and a school in Birmingham. Someone tried to accuse him of something or other after he died but think was nonsense. Never read the books or seen the new films but did see a half animated one on TV once or did I imagine that? There's some pretty compelling contemporary evidence from the 60s including some settlements that were not disclosed by the church. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/12/archbishop-hushed-up-sexual-abuse-by-son-of-jrr-tolkien-inquiry-hears and the CPS only chose to not pursue because he was suffering severely from dementia towards the end of his life. and I think you're referring to the Ralph Bakshi version that made use of Rotoscoping (live action capture, subsequently animated).
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Post by kelw on Jul 2, 2019 10:08:50 GMT
John Tolkein was Chaplain of St Joseph's School in Stoke and a school in Birmingham. Someone tried to accuse him of something or other after he died but think was nonsense. Never read the books or seen the new films but did see a half animated one on TV once or did I imagine that? There's some pretty compelling contemporary evidence from the 60s including some settlements that were not disclosed by the church. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/12/archbishop-hushed-up-sexual-abuse-by-son-of-jrr-tolkien-inquiry-hears and the CPS only chose to not pursue because he was suffering severely from dementia towards the end of his life. and I think you're referring to the Ralph Bakshi version that made use of Rotoscoping (live action capture, subsequently animated). Never seen that, quite interesting article. I remember not so long back someone appearing with a claim when the films hit big which was seen as a £££ scam but who knows reading that. Yep that's the film. Saw it on some cable channel. Was quite good.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 2, 2019 10:13:41 GMT
I read it during my last year at school in 1981. At lunch time a few of us would sit on the grass outside the school chappel ( it was a Catholic school) and read LOTR. Anyway, one day a visiting priest noticed we were reading a heafty book and asked what it was. He then asked us how we found it, favourite characters etc then said if we were around the following lunchtime he had something of interest to show us. Next day he turns up with an old brown battered suitcase, he opens it up and it’s full of Tolkien’s hand written notes, maps, sketches of characters and other notes all relating to the book. Turns out the priest was John Tolkien, his son !! I reckon if I’d have been brave enough to ask he would probably have let me have something from the case but I was just a kid and awestruck with the sight before me. Obviously the films hadn’t been done then and there was no massive interest in the book other than from university boffins and weirdos like me. Would be worth a small fortune these days... John Tolkein was Chaplain of St Joseph's School in Stoke and a school in Birmingham. Someone tried to accuse him of something or other after he died but think was nonsense. Never read the books or seen the new films but did see a half animated one on TV once or did I imagine that? Yes there was an animated one but it only covered up to when Gollum led Sam and Frodo across the marshes
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Post by musik on Jul 2, 2019 10:39:47 GMT
Re-watched the first one earlier. Do you think anything will come close to the scale of these movies again? Everything is moving towards digital effects and all that but no fantasy movie / series has felt as epic as LOTR for me. The amount of real extras alone is amazing, no wonder the credits are like 20-30 minutes long. I've never seen it. I've never read it. Shame on me.
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Post by thequietman on Jul 2, 2019 11:20:02 GMT
I think it was clear from the LOTR films that Peter Jackson was a fan of the book. Plot and characters were largely as per the book, with a few changes for artistic licence. Dialogue was pretty much verbatim, which I really liked.
First read the book when I was 13, holed up in bed for a long time with a bad leg break. I've read it once a year since - so I've read it 40 times now. There's always something new to be discovered on every reading.
As much as I enjoyed the LOTR films, the Hobbit films were very meh. Some good bits, some poor bits, and the final film left me entirely cold.
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