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Post by callas12 on Jun 26, 2019 10:17:42 GMT
I'm sure had internet been as prominent back in the day that Oxford fans would have slated Stein & Norwich fans Sheron when we initially signed them!
Footys all about opinions and whilst this poster has taken the time to write a pretty sensible account of his views of these players, they are simply that, his views on what he's seen. Maybe he only watched them a few times, perhaps he watched them home & away, matters not really.
I'll await them performing in the Stoke shirt a few times before forming my own opinion on them. Same as in life, Its easy to be blinkered by other peoples opinions of folk but always best to find as you see & judge for yourself! Time will tell on all the new signings..
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 26, 2019 10:18:54 GMT
I'm sure had internet been as prominent back in the day that Oxford fans would have slated Stein & Norwich fans Sheron when we initially signed them! Footys all about opinions and whilst this poster has taken the time to write a pretty sensible account of his views of these players, they are simply that, his views on what he's seen. Maybe he only watched them a few times, perhaps he watched them home & away, matters not really. I'll await them performing in the Stoke shirt a few times before forming my own opinion on them. Same as in life, Its easy to be blinkered by other peoples opinions of folk but always best to find as you see & judge for yourself! Time will tell on all the new signings.. Spot on mate and like I said some folk will never learn
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 26, 2019 10:22:01 GMT
He didn't say Davies had an awful season last season though did he? You can't say your Barnsley fan mate is any more right than Tyke fan. For what it's worth I think Lindsay looks good, although pace may be a worry, as it is with all of our centre backs.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jun 26, 2019 10:28:58 GMT
I thought Overson was a terrible signing when Lou brought him in. How wrong can you be?
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Post by bolders on Jun 26, 2019 10:29:00 GMT
Maybe just maybe he is like our very own Bayern who doesn’t rate anyone and only ever sees the negative aspects of things
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2019 10:30:03 GMT
So let's ignore the fairly sensible posting of a Barnsley fan giving us the lowdown on two ex-players then. It's all very well sticking your fingers in your ears just because you don't want to believe it. Even the youtube compilation of Davies shows an excellent shotstopper but he never catches or holds on to anything. He was often dug out by a defender booting it away. I value opposition opinions if they seem genuine and have no reason to think Tykefan is being disingenuous. From the footage I have seen/compilation he push's far to many back into the danger areas, I have said this before but for some reason other's can not see it, it's a massive problem if your defenders are slow to cover or react, he's not a young kid learning the ropes so coaching it out of him will be a difficult job. Never seen his kicking so can't comment on that, for me Grant is a better keeper from what I have seen the either Federici or Davies, madness to sell him when we did very short sighted, not sure he will make the grade with us but we shall see.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2019 10:35:26 GMT
He didn't say Davies had an awful season last season though did he? You can't say your Barnsley fan mate is any more right than Tyke fan. For what it's worth I think Lindsay looks good, although pace may be a worry, as it is with all of our centre backs. I think the poster is pretty honest in his opinions, if you listened to WBA fans about Berahino, MCClean and Fletcher, Spurs fans about Wimmer they were pretty much spot on with their assessments, time will tell if this lad is correct after all he will have watched these players more than our standard 25 times.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 26, 2019 10:40:53 GMT
Another predictable post from a supporter of a team who have lost a couple of their better players. They will be judged on how they perform here. How dare you!The doom mongers will be creaming themselves with this post.Don't spoil it for them.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 26, 2019 10:45:42 GMT
Thought id give my thoughts to you on Davies and Lindsay Davies - spent 5 years at the club and was awful for 4 of them. The last time we was in the Championship he got us relegated with mistake after mistake after mistake. Then last season it was like we had a new keeper in League 1. He is a fantastic shot stopper. But he has his faults. His kicking is awful. 85% of time his kicks will go out for a throw in. He will NOT command his box. Its like if he comes off his line hes probably got a tag that if he did come off it would go off. For me he is definitely a League 1 keeper. Is he good enough for Championship? Possibly for a Mid Table team and not one going for promotion Lindsay - Mmm im not so sure what to say about him. Me along with every other Barnsley fan believe Pinnock is the better of the 2. Lindsay lacks pace but is good in the air and can time a tackle superbly. His reading of the game is great. Hes all left footed. When we signed him he was known for his Goalscoring from set pieces back in Scotland but he hardly scored for us. (Well we hardly score from set pieces anyways) If i was a Stoke Fan id be unimpressed by these signings if what we want to achieve is promotion I wish you all the best next season except the 2 games v us and will keep a very close eye on your games. Always had a soft spot for stoke when they loaned us Dickinson Shotton Arismendi and Butland Just as I thought!
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Post by Fentonpotter on Jun 26, 2019 10:47:47 GMT
Another predictable post from a supporter of a team who have lost a couple of their better players. They will be judged on how they perform here. How dare you!The doom mongers will be creaming themselves with this post.Don't spoil it for them. Unfortunately there's too many on here who would enjoy it more if they were a failure than if they were a roaring success. Look no further than this thread for some prime examples.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 26, 2019 10:51:48 GMT
I always take these posts as positives. The need to quickly tell us we are signing crap players. To be fair this is fairly consistent with what has been written about them both on the Barnsley forum way before Stoke showed any interest. Barnsley fans have always considered Pinnock to be the better defender out of the two and have lacked confidence in Davies until he had a good run last season.
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 26, 2019 10:54:01 GMT
85 per cent of is kicks go astray and he does not command is area. Have we signed the new jack butland
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2019 10:56:21 GMT
He didn't say Davies had an awful season last season though did he? You can't say your Barnsley fan mate is any more right than Tyke fan. For what it's worth I think Lindsay looks good, although pace may be a worry, as it is with all of our centre backs. I think the poster is pretty honest in his opinions, if you listened to WBA fans about Berahino, MCClean and Fletcher, Spurs fans about Wimmer they were pretty much spot on with their assessments, time will tell if this lad is correct after all he will have watched these players more than our standard 25 times. So the majority of those on the Barnsley MB are talking bollocks then? Tykesfan is the voice of the Barnsley support and his opinion is the only one we should listen too? Nah it’s because he’s saying what you want to hear and that’s the reality
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2019 11:00:06 GMT
I think the poster is pretty honest in his opinions, if you listened to WBA fans about Berahino, MCClean and Fletcher, Spurs fans about Wimmer they were pretty much spot on with their assessments, time will tell if this lad is correct after all he will have watched these players more than our standard 25 times. So the majority of those on the Barnsley MB are talking bollocks then? Tykesfan is the voice of the Barnsley support and his opinion is the only one we should listen too? Nah it’s because he’s saying what you want to hear and that’s the reality We will see when the season kicks off, having seen the footage of him I have concerns about some of the things I have seen if that's ok with you.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 26, 2019 11:03:33 GMT
Another predictable post from a supporter of a team who have lost a couple of their better players. They will be judged on how they perform here. You remind me of the bloke from Chernobyl that was in total denial who kept telling his colleagues to go look at the core that wasn't there.
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2019 11:16:41 GMT
So the majority of those on the Barnsley MB are talking bollocks then? Tykesfan is the voice of the Barnsley support and his opinion is the only one we should listen too? Nah it’s because he’s saying what you want to hear and that’s the reality We will see when the season kicks off, having seen the footage of him I have concerns about some of the things I have seen if that's ok with you. Like I said
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Post by tykefan on Jun 26, 2019 11:22:04 GMT
Ive seen the video and that was last season where he had a great season. But do you think they will make a video of his mistakes which he made a lot of in the past. I am.sorry to see him leave because he showed loyalty to us in past. All i was doing was giving you a honest assesment of what i have seen from the 2 players
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2019 11:23:36 GMT
Ive seen the video and that was last season where he had a great season. But do you think they will make a video of his mistakes which he made a lot of in the past. I am.sorry to see him leave because he showed loyalty to us in past. All i was doing was giving you a honest assesment of what i have seen from the 2 players So you are sorry to see him leave but you don’t overly rate him? I’m lost here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 11:29:00 GMT
We will see when the season kicks off, having seen the footage of him I have concerns about some of the things I have seen if that's ok with you. Like I said Hmmm I wonder how with saves like that he ever managed to be League One player of the year?? No doubt some sad act will be along in a second and have a pop at our new Keeper for conceding too many corners or his haircut, anything too try to justify there agendas. I for one am happy with what I've heard and seen and quietly confident that he'll be an excellent replacement for Jack.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 11:36:08 GMT
Another predictable post from a supporter of a team who have lost a couple of their better players. They will be judged on how they perform here. You remind me of the bloke from Chernobyl that was in total denial who kept telling his colleagues to go look at the core that wasn't there. You remind me of the bloke who used to make up transfer stories on a football message board.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 26, 2019 11:37:15 GMT
Like I said Hmmm I wonder how with saves like that he ever managed to be League One player of the year?? No doubt some sad act will be along in a second and have a pop at our new Keeper for conceding too many corners or his haircut, anything too try to justify there agendas. I for one am happy with what I've heard and seen and quietly confident that he'll be an excellent replacement for Jack. Was that a penno save?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 26, 2019 11:41:06 GMT
Thought id give my thoughts to you on Davies and Lindsay Davies - spent 5 years at the club and was awful for 4 of them. The last time we was in the Championship he got us relegated with mistake after mistake after mistake. Then last season it was like we had a new keeper in League 1. He is a fantastic shot stopper. But he has his faults. His kicking is awful. 85% of time his kicks will go out for a throw in. He will NOT command his box. Its like if he comes off his line hes probably got a tag that if he did come off it would go off. For me he is definitely a League 1 keeper. Is he good enough for Championship? Possibly for a Mid Table team and not one going for promotion Lindsay - Mmm im not so sure what to say about him. Me along with every other Barnsley fan believe Pinnock is the better of the 2. Lindsay lacks pace but is good in the air and can time a tackle superbly. His reading of the game is great. Hes all left footed. When we signed him he was known for his Goalscoring from set pieces back in Scotland but he hardly scored for us. (Well we hardly score from set pieces anyways) If i was a Stoke Fan id be unimpressed by these signings if what we want to achieve is promotion I wish you all the best next season except the 2 games v us and will keep a very close eye on your games. Always had a soft spot for stoke when they loaned us Dickinson Shotton Arismendi and Butland Stoke fan on a wind up IMO.
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 26, 2019 11:51:12 GMT
I never said i rated Dickinson and Arismendi. I said becauze you loaned us which at time we had a connection with us getting your players. Shotton was best of lot I agree judge players on there time with your im just giving you a honest opinion on there time with us. Don't that anything said on here personally, or too seriously, if you'd come on and said they were your two best players and you were gutted to lose them, there would be plenty moaning that you were taking the rise, and they must be crap. It's summat in the water in S-on-T Same as the reaction you got, from some, about the loanees...they can't even take a compliment at face value Anyhow, as you yourself say, these players, and our other signings, will be judged on what they do on the field...although plenty on here have already dismissed them, as I say, it's summmat in the water Good luck for the upcoming season, with the obvious exceptions
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 12:28:14 GMT
I'm sure had internet been as prominent back in the day that Oxford fans would have slated Stein & Norwich fans Sheron when we initially signed them! Footys all about opinions and whilst this poster has taken the time to write a pretty sensible account of his views of these players, they are simply that, his views on what he's seen. Maybe he only watched them a few times, perhaps he watched them home & away, matters not really. I'll await them performing in the Stoke shirt a few times before forming my own opinion on them. Same as in life, Its easy to be blinkered by other peoples opinions of folk but always best to find as you see & judge for yourself! Time will tell on all the new signings.. Exactly. The response to Fuller arriving here was 'meh'. We paid less for Arnautovic than we paid for Barnsleys Centre Half just now. None of it means anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 12:30:31 GMT
He didn't say Davies had an awful season last season though did he? You can't say your Barnsley fan mate is any more right than Tyke fan. For what it's worth I think Lindsay looks good, although pace may be a worry, as it is with all of our centre backs. I think the poster is pretty honest in his opinions, if you listened to WBA fans about Berahino, MCClean and Fletcher, Spurs fans about Wimmer they were pretty much spot on with their assessments, time will tell if this lad is correct after all he will have watched these players more than our standard 25 times. Spurs fans that I recall reading all said Wimmer had played well in his few appearances for them and seemed like an excellent player, but were surprised at the cost.
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Post by nonameface on Jun 26, 2019 12:55:54 GMT
Thanks for the information, it must be hard losing two key players from your promotion winning team. I'd also be happy if we signed Pinnock too, he looked excellent at Forest Green.
Jones has to back his judgement and having access to better coaches and facilities to get these players playing to their maximum potential, which individually may not be good enough to get promoted, but hopefully as a team it will be.
The best recent stoke teams have definitely been used to achieving more than the sum of their individual parts.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 26, 2019 13:06:19 GMT
I like the stat that 85% of his kicks go out for a throw in. Not saying your comments aren't genuine. Didn’t you know that 73.6% of statistics are plucked out of thin air
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 26, 2019 13:10:45 GMT
We will see when the season kicks off, having seen the footage of him I have concerns about some of the things I have seen if that's ok with you. Like I said The one where he saves a penalty .......Thought such actions were banned by FA couple of years ago Wezza
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 26, 2019 14:36:29 GMT
Funny I can't remember any fans from where some of our other players came from - Palacios, Wimmer, Wolscheid, etc etc
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Post by kelw on Jun 26, 2019 14:41:04 GMT
On;y 27.2 % take this bloke seriously and 56.8% of Stoke fans globally have actually pissed their pants
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