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Post by lancashirelad on Jun 14, 2019 14:23:44 GMT
Stoke have not been invited to join this season. United and Liverpool have entered and only Fulham outside PL teams are involved.
I know in principle it should be only Div 1 and 2 clubs and hope one of them win it.
Further i went to a few of the games and at times our U21s were out of their depth but improved over time.
Whether it improved or benefited any of our players i am not sure at least now talented ones can go on loan and not held back possibly for this cup.
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 14, 2019 14:35:53 GMT
should never be in it anyway it was not for premier league or championship clubs another competition been spoiled
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 14, 2019 16:59:36 GMT
I hope this isn't because our academy status has been downgraded?
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Post by Veritas on Jun 14, 2019 17:02:16 GMT
Joke competition
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 17:06:36 GMT
I hope this isn't because our academy status has been downgraded? I was going to give us some credit for stepping back, and focusing on loans etc, buuuuut....
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jun 14, 2019 17:14:54 GMT
Hmmmm wonder why we've not been invited back?đ
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Post by jaybee on Jun 14, 2019 17:37:55 GMT
Stoke have not been invited to join this season. United and Liverpool have entered and only Fulham outside PL teams are involved. United Arab Emirates?
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 14, 2019 17:46:56 GMT
I wonder how our 'superb executive' will dress up being pushed aside yet again cos they made us nobodies ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 14, 2019 17:48:22 GMT
I hope this isn't because our academy status has been downgraded? I was going to give us some credit for stepping back, and focusing on loans etc, buuuuut.... The answer sadly Tony is if you hadnât piloted our crash from mid table premier ship to 16th in the championship , at a cost of 190m net and loss of ÂŁ100m revenue per annum and or controlled sales for a local derby where stevie wonder could see trouble ahead this wouldnât be an issue weâve inflicted a transition to mediocrity and insignificance on ourselves and itâs entirely a management responsibility quit whinging and sort it out By doing the day job
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Post by Davef on Jun 14, 2019 18:17:25 GMT
I was going to give us some credit for stepping back, and focusing on loans etc, buuuuut.... The answer sadly Tony is if you hadnât piloted our crash from mid table premier ship to 16th in the championship , at a cost of 190m net and loss of ÂŁ100m  revenue per annum and or controlled sales for a local derby where stevie wonder could see trouble ahead this wouldnât be an issue weâve inflicted a transition to mediocrity and insignificance on ourselves and itâs entirely a management responsibility quit whinging and sort it out By doing the day job You're seriously trying to pin the blame on the trouble at Vale Park on Tony Scholes? What do you mean by controlled sales? It was a Port Vale home match.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jun 14, 2019 18:37:13 GMT
Good itâs a waste of time anyway
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 14, 2019 18:45:39 GMT
The answer sadly Tony is if you hadnât piloted our crash from mid table premier ship to 16th in the championship , at a cost of 190m net and loss of ÂŁ100m revenue per annum and or controlled sales for a local derby where stevie wonder could see trouble ahead this wouldnât be an issue weâve inflicted a transition to mediocrity and insignificance on ourselves and itâs entirely a management responsibility quit whinging and sort it out By doing the day job You're seriously trying to pin the blame on the trouble at Vale Park on Tony Scholes? What do you mean by controlled sales? It was a Port Vale home match. Ignore the relegation ignore the loss of revenue , ignore the 190mđBut yesâs stoke should never have sold 4K tickets it was an absolute nonsense m For that match chief executives by definition are accountable for all the decisions in every aspect of the business
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Post by Davef on Jun 14, 2019 18:51:00 GMT
You're seriously trying to pin the blame on the trouble at Vale Park on Tony Scholes? What do you mean by controlled sales? It was a Port Vale home match. Ignore the relegation ignore the loss of revenue , ignore the 190mđBut yesâs stoke should never have sold 4K tickets it was an absolute nonsense m For that match chief executives by definition are accountable for all the decisions in every aspect of the business So if we draw the Vale in the FA Cup or the League Cup, you'd still think our chief executive should step in and only accept a couple of thousand tickets. What planet are you on? If we'd have had 1,000 tickets that night there'd have been trouble. If Smurthwaite had had his way there'd have been 8000 Stoke fans there that night.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 14, 2019 19:01:06 GMT
Ignore the relegation ignore the loss of revenue , ignore the 190mđBut yesâs stoke should never have sold 4K tickets it was an absolute nonsense m For that match chief executives by definition are accountable for all the decisions in every aspect of the business So if we draw the Vale in the FA Cup or the League Cup, you'd still think our chief executive should step in and only accept a couple of thousand tickets. What planet are you on? If we'd have had 1,000 tickets that night there'd have been trouble. If Smurthwaite had had his way there'd have been 8000 Stoke fans there that night. What planet are you on if you think 4K tickets is normal for a checka a trade trophy game as per England we are responsible for our own fans and it was utterly responsible and or naive .
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 14, 2019 19:21:22 GMT
I wish we had refused to participate on principle for the good of the game rather than the humiliation of being thrown out.
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Post by Davef on Jun 14, 2019 19:28:42 GMT
So if we draw the Vale in the FA Cup or the League Cup, you'd still think our chief executive should step in and only accept a couple of thousand tickets. What planet are you on? If we'd have had 1,000 tickets that night there'd have been trouble. If Smurthwaite had had his way there'd have been 8000 Stoke fans there that night. What planet are you on if you think 4K tickets is normal for a checka  a trade trophy game as per England we are responsible for our own fans and it was utterly responsible and or naive . And what do you think the reaction would've been amongst the Stoke support, on this message board and on other social media outlets had Scholes announced we were only accepting 1500-2000 tickets? Honestly, have a day off.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 14, 2019 20:05:19 GMT
What planet are you on if you think 4K tickets is normal for a checka a trade trophy game as per England we are responsible for our own fans and it was utterly responsible and or naive . And what do you think the reaction would've been amongst the Stoke support, on this message board and on other social media outlets had Scholes announced we were only accepting 1500-2000 tickets? Honestly, have a day off. Itâs not a question of have a day off , Iâve tried to be very balanced fair recently regarding the administration but the simple fact is it was daft to allow that allocation , but as you see elsewhere Iâve tried to support the adminstration in other areas ie Butland fee , but they canât avoid accountability for the last three years
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Post by lordb on Jun 14, 2019 20:12:31 GMT
So if we draw the Vale in the FA Cup or the League Cup, you'd still think our chief executive should step in and only accept a couple of thousand tickets. What planet are you on? If we'd have had 1,000 tickets that night there'd have been trouble. If Smurthwaite had had his way there'd have been 8000 Stoke fans there that night. What planet are you on if you think 4K tickets is normal for a checka  a trade trophy game as per England we are responsible for our own fans and it was utterly responsible and or naive . Newcastle took more to Sunderland same competition There was certainly naievity for the arrangements/organisation of that game but that was entirely by the organisers which was the home club. Not excusing the disgusting behaviour but pinning this on Scholes is not tenable.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 14, 2019 20:17:45 GMT
Probably best if we're not involved, thrashings at the hands of tinpot clubs never look good even if it's the u21s.
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Post by BristolMick on Jun 15, 2019 0:06:02 GMT
Stoke have not been invited to join this season. United and Liverpool have entered and only Fulham outside PL teams are involved. United Arab Emirates? Must mean Sheffield United because they have been promoted? BM
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 15, 2019 5:51:09 GMT
Crowd trouble wouldnât have helped, but our exclusion is just another example of our now falling stock.
What I find poor is the fact that when the likes of Prem top 6 shun these competitions when they need support, then jump on board when it suits.
Either way, Premier and Championship teams shouldnât be in it imo. If they had of been in âour dayâ probably two less opportunities of a great day out at Wembley for us.
I think thatâs what the competition should be about, not a load of Citeh fringers photo opportunity.
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Post by werrington on Jun 15, 2019 6:24:12 GMT
If you think weâve been left out of this competition because of the crowd trouble youâre fucking paranoid
Weâve been discarded to make way for the sponsors jizzfest of Manchester United and Liverpool
Thatâs the top,bottom and middle of it
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Post by Scouse on Jun 15, 2019 7:35:08 GMT
As I understand it Prem clubs with the required academy status have first grab .. the Prem clubs are who the rule change was for and theyâre the ones stumping up the compensation payments after all ..Championship clubs were invited in desperation when not enough Prem clubs accepted the invite in the previous three seasons
With new sponsors ( yet to be announced) required this season , itâs not a far stretch to believe both Liverpool and Man U were âaskedâ by the EFL to participate to help attract new sponsors .. and the Prem duly applied pressure behind the scenes . ... of course the pressure could also have been applied in order to kick nasty old Stoke out ..but honestly which is more likely ..if we were being âkickedâ out / banned thereâd have been a formal hearing
No snub , just all slots full this time .. as Iâve said personally disappointed ...Vale apart games were played in a family friendly atmosphere , with Sunderland away a particularly good performance and experience for some of our players..
Apart from the obvious politics , the main downside of the competition was the scheduling of games , which fell in international breaks .meaning the invited clubs better players who werenât already out on loan would be away with their international youth teams
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 15, 2019 8:17:37 GMT
If you think weâve been left out of this competition because of the crowd trouble youâre fucking paranoid Weâve been discarded to make way for the sponsors jizzfest of Manchester United and Liverpool Thatâs the top,bottom and middle of it Weâve been chucked out because weâve made ourself elves insignificant thatâs the top and bottom itâs neither here nor there as an event bit a barometer of the self harm weâve achieved
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 15, 2019 8:32:11 GMT
I thought most on here thought it was wrong to be in it now we're bleating we're not in it! Hell hath no fury like a Stokie scorned!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 8:33:49 GMT
Big shame this and wonât help with keeping Collins.
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Post by innocentbystander on Jun 15, 2019 8:39:03 GMT
If you think weâve been left out of this competition because of the crowd trouble youâre fucking paranoid Weâve been discarded to make way for the sponsors jizzfest of Manchester United and Liverpool Thatâs the top,bottom and middle of it Those games are going to be a money spinner for some little teams down the league who could do with the money as well as the excitement. Glad we're out of it.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 15, 2019 10:28:07 GMT
I thought most on here thought it was wrong to be in it now we're bleating we're not in it! Hell hath no fury like a Stokie scorned! Are they the same people though?...Or is everyone on the Oatcake the same person? Freaky!
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Post by lordb on Jun 15, 2019 10:39:12 GMT
Big shame this and wonât help with keeping Collins. Can you expand on that? Don't understand that.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 15, 2019 10:40:48 GMT
Really poor Stoke! I bet Vale get invited!
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