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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 12, 2019 19:57:17 GMT
You say the players signed in Jan weren't what he wants but he made it very clear he wanted a focal point up front, enter Vokes a big lump of a focal point. Also if the scouting team thinks player A is a good player then why would their mind change with a new manager unless they go totally against what they want? Vokes has been awful as a targetman so far. And because they’re two massively different managers with different requirements. Do you think? Considering he was massively unfit, you could see he was going to be a big asset in the air. The stats show he was one of the most dominant players aerially in the league
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Post by lancashirelad on Jun 12, 2019 19:58:07 GMT
He was the stand out player when i watched the Accy Stanley v Luton game on sky at the back end of the season.
Played at the base of the diamond, a decent touch and just passed it to the other midfielders but under no pressure as Accy played with 10 men for 80 mins. He scored a scrambled goal. basically he was tall gangly Ryan Woods at his best, just a bit stronger physically.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 20:00:14 GMT
Vokes has been awful as a targetman so far. And because they’re two massively different managers with different requirements. Do you think? Considering he was massively unfit, you could see he was going to be a big asset in the air. The stats show he was one of the most dominant players aerially in the league Yes. He looked awful in the air. Reminded me of Parkin. Good when it’s at his feet and chest but crap with aimless hoofs. Good in the air from crosses though when we did them. But as an easy out ball? I thought he was pish.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 12, 2019 20:01:34 GMT
Do you think? Considering he was massively unfit, you could see he was going to be a big asset in the air. The stats show he was one of the most dominant players aerially in the league Yes. He looked awful in the air. Reminded me of Parkin. Good when it’s at his feet and chest but crap with aimless hoofs. Good in the air from crosses though when we did them. But as an easy out ball? I thought he was pish. Stats don't really support that though. They seem to suggest he was dominant inside and outside the box
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 20:01:47 GMT
Vokes has been awful as a targetman so far. And because they’re two massively different managers with different requirements. Tbf to Vokes he hasn't been fit but he wanted a target man and he got one. As I said if the player totally goes against what the manager wants then fair enough, who have they offered up to Jones that they have another manager and goes against what he's after? Ritchie the winger.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 20:03:30 GMT
Yes. He looked awful in the air. Reminded me of Parkin. Good when it’s at his feet and chest but crap with aimless hoofs. Good in the air from crosses though when we did them. But as an easy out ball? I thought he was pish. Stats don't really support that though. They seem to suggest he was dominant inside and outside the box They don’t match what I saw though. He was far from dominant. And when he did flick ons they’d rarely go to anyone. I thought he looked shocking as a targetman. Edit - Crouch is up there too. He wasn’t a good targetman for us either last season!
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Post by DC1863 on Jun 12, 2019 20:09:34 GMT
Top German midfielders from Bundesliga II (Aged 24 and under) Top Tacklers:Atakan Karazor - Holstein Kiel Niklas Dorsch - FC Heidenheim Sebastian Schonlau - Paderborn Maximilian Thalhammer - Jahn Regensburg Top Interceptors:Lukas Fröde - Duisburg Paul Jaeckel - Greuther Fuerth Sebastian Schonlau - Paderborn Top Passers:Niklas Dorsch - FC Heidenheim Sebastian Schonlau - Paderborn *Disclaimer. Before anyone starts crying. They are basic stats from whoscored.com, it's a bit of fun and if you don't like it, block me. Well Schonlau seems fairly consistent but following some Googling it seemed he signed a contract extension last month .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 12, 2019 20:22:28 GMT
Tbf to Vokes he hasn't been fit but he wanted a target man and he got one. As I said if the player totally goes against what the manager wants then fair enough, who have they offered up to Jones that they have another manager and goes against what he's after? Ritchie the winger. The one playing left back last season but fair enough I'd forgot about him tbh, if Jones doesn't want him all he has to do is say no.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:25:25 GMT
Top German midfielders from Bundesliga II (Aged 24 and under) Top Tacklers:Atakan Karazor - Holstein Kiel Niklas Dorsch - FC Heidenheim Sebastian Schonlau - Paderborn Maximilian Thalhammer - Jahn Regensburg Top Interceptors:Lukas Fröde - Duisburg Paul Jaeckel - Greuther Fuerth Sebastian Schonlau - Paderborn Top Passers:Niklas Dorsch - FC Heidenheim Sebastian Schonlau - Paderborn *Disclaimer. Before anyone starts crying. They are basic stats from whoscored.com, it's a bit of fun and if you don't like it, block me. Well Schonlau seems fairly consistent but following some Googling it seemed he signed a contract extension last month . Would Johannes Geis be classed as young at 25? 'Supposedly' leaving Koln on a free transfer after signing a short term contract with them in January. Played with N'Zonzi at Sevilla. Defensive metronome type that likes a tackle. Quite similar to Alan McCormack, but much better.
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Post by mrpickles on Jun 12, 2019 20:31:07 GMT
Dorsch was the name I'd plumped for after my quick google! I'll go for Karazor. Holstein Kiel have been a revelation at that level, he is ex Dortmund II under Farke. Linked with Stuttgart. Jones was gushing over Farke and the job he did and how close he was to some of the recruitment people at Norwich. 2 + 2 = 10. Karazor has signed for Stuttgart apparently.
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Post by Gods on Jun 12, 2019 20:36:24 GMT
5'9" would be a another shortie.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 12, 2019 20:40:41 GMT
Joe Allen's performances for Wales could make him attractive to a Prem. side, making room for a MF signing.
Ditto Etebo if he stars for Nigeria.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 12, 2019 20:40:49 GMT
Dorsch was the name I'd plumped for after my quick google! I'll go for Karazor. Holstein Kiel have been a revelation at that level, he is ex Dortmund II under Farke. Linked with Stuttgart. Jones was gushing over Farke and the job he did and how close he was to some of the recruitment people at Norwich. 2 + 2 = 10. My searches suggest Karazor has already signed for Stuttgart for next season. Dorsch is an interesting one, but it sounds like any deal for this German midfielder is rather a forlorn hope. The return of Whelan it is, then!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 20:52:41 GMT
I'll go for Karazor. Holstein Kiel have been a revelation at that level, he is ex Dortmund II under Farke. Linked with Stuttgart. Jones was gushing over Farke and the job he did and how close he was to some of the recruitment people at Norwich. 2 + 2 = 10. My searches suggest Karazor has already signed for Stuttgart for next season. Dorsch is an interesting one, but it sounds like any deal for this German midfielder is rather a forlorn hope. The return of Whelan it is, then! I put this in a group chat earlier you’re getting too cynical Jezza, “we tried getting the shiny exciting German, we tried all window, here’s Glenn......”
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 12, 2019 20:58:13 GMT
Maybe 2 pie in the sky suggestions;
Arne Meier at Hertha Berlin.
Dennis Geiger at Hoffenheim.
Either would cost at least 8m-10m though
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2019 21:12:37 GMT
It’s beginning to be clear that the barrier of exiting players is growing in significance , I can see August being a very busy transfer month for us Window shuts by then doesn't it?
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2019 21:16:29 GMT
Do you think? Considering he was massively unfit, you could see he was going to be a big asset in the air. The stats show he was one of the most dominant players aerially in the league Yes. He looked awful in the air. Reminded me of Parkin. Good when it’s at his feet and chest but crap with aimless hoofs. Good in the air from crosses though when we did them. But as an easy out ball? I thought he was pish. Absolute rubbish Definitely not fit but he won tons in the air
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2019 21:18:38 GMT
Stats don't really support that though. They seem to suggest he was dominant inside and outside the box They don’t match what I saw though. He was far from dominant. And when he did flick ons they’d rarely go to anyone. I thought he looked shocking as a targetman. Edit - Crouch is up there too. He wasn’t a good targetman for us either last season! Out of interest exactly what do you drink before matches? Straight on the meths or do you start with Absenthe and build up?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 21:19:45 GMT
Yes. He looked awful in the air. Reminded me of Parkin. Good when it’s at his feet and chest but crap with aimless hoofs. Good in the air from crosses though when we did them. But as an easy out ball? I thought he was pish. Absolute rubbish Definitely not fit but he won tons in the air I thought he looked awful as a targetman in the traditional sense. Chest and feet yes, head? No way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 21:20:24 GMT
They don’t match what I saw though. He was far from dominant. And when he did flick ons they’d rarely go to anyone. I thought he looked shocking as a targetman. Edit - Crouch is up there too. He wasn’t a good targetman for us either last season! Out of interest exactly what do you drink before matches? Straight on the meths or do you start with Absenthe and build up? I watched a team that had zero link up play for most of the season......
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jun 12, 2019 21:35:08 GMT
I don’t buy that the process is that cut and dry at all. They’ve interfered, offered the same players up to different managers, signed two players in January who don’t really match what Jones has said he wants etc. And it’ll be amusing if the scouting comes back to another Luton player. He sounds good though and Jones knows him so I can live with that. One in the eye for the process mind: Justin - Luton Ruddock - Luton Davies - Beswicks Whelan - player we had for nearly a decade Gregory - same agent as Vokes and a few others that have allegedly been on a list Powell - from the next town The German player that it sounds like we have no chance of signing is intriguing! You say the players signed in Jan weren't what he wants but he made it very clear he wanted a focal point up front, enter Vokes a big lump of a focal point. Also if the scouting team thinks player A is a good player then why would their mind change with a new manager unless they go totally against what they want? He said what he wanted, a big target man and a leader who would put his body on the line Stoke City...that's exactly what we got. In come, Vokes (I think will come good in this league when fit) & Batth (the type of defender we've been crying out for). I can't see how these could be anything other than his signings.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2019 21:42:07 GMT
You say the players signed in Jan weren't what he wants but he made it very clear he wanted a focal point up front, enter Vokes a big lump of a focal point. Also if the scouting team thinks player A is a good player then why would their mind change with a new manager unless they go totally against what they want? He said what he wanted, a big target man and a leader who would put his body on the line Stoke City...that's exactly what we got. In come, Vokes (I think will come good in this league when fit) & Batth (the type of defender we've been crying out for). I can't see how these could be anything other than his signings. Slow, cumbersome, Batth is awful on the ball, Vokes is immobile. I don’t get either as players he’d want tbh.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 12, 2019 21:46:19 GMT
Maybe 2 pie in the sky suggestions; Arne Meier at Hertha Berlin. Dennis Geiger at Hoffenheim. Either would cost at least 8m-10m though You do know we're a bottom half Championship side right?!
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 12, 2019 22:17:20 GMT
Maybe 2 pie in the sky suggestions; Arne Meier at Hertha Berlin. Dennis Geiger at Hoffenheim. Either would cost at least 8m-10m though You do know we're a bottom half Championship side right?! I'm well aware mate but I don't think even 80% of the bundesliga can compete with us financially. Those 2 players are quite highly rated but not considered "wonderkids" by any means. Still unlikely as I said ☺
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Post by kustokie on Jun 12, 2019 22:31:39 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-pelly-ruddock-luton-2972217Stoke City hold an interest in Luton talisman Pelly-Ruddock Mpanzu – but will need to clear the decks if they are to re-balance their midfield department. Mark Cartwright’s team of scouts have been casting their nets far and wide as they look to find the right players for Nathan Jones's diamond system. They have been tracking a highly-rated young German midfielder but would face fierce competition for his signature. And Jones knows he can rely on Ruddock, aged 25, to operate anywhere in his diamond, including in the key defensive role. Cartwright and Scholes need to focus on finding a dump for all the garbage we have to off-load and leave the scouting to others.
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Post by Gods on Jun 12, 2019 22:38:31 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-pelly-ruddock-luton-2972217Stoke City hold an interest in Luton talisman Pelly-Ruddock Mpanzu – but will need to clear the decks if they are to re-balance their midfield department. Mark Cartwright’s team of scouts have been casting their nets far and wide as they look to find the right players for Nathan Jones's diamond system. They have been tracking a highly-rated young German midfielder but would face fierce competition for his signature. And Jones knows he can rely on Ruddock, aged 25, to operate anywhere in his diamond, including in the key defensive role. Cartwright and Scholes need to focus on finding a dump for all the garbage we have to off-load and leave the scouting to others. Spending money is easy, anyone can do that. Persuading others to part with money for players you yourself don't want is 10x harder. I'd go so far as to say in our case it can't be done.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 12, 2019 22:40:25 GMT
Vokes has been awful as a targetman so far. And because they’re two massively different managers with different requirements. Do you think? Considering he was massively unfit, you could see he was going to be a big asset in the air. The stats show he was one of the most dominant players aerially in the league This graph is relatively meaningless if the target man doesn’t either find the back of the net or knock the ball down to a team mate who can finish. Vokes and Crouch were both good target target men by these criteria but their productivity was very low.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 12, 2019 22:42:43 GMT
Cartwright and Scholes need to focus on finding a dump for all the garbage we have to off-load and leave the scouting to others. Spending money is easy, anyone can do that. Persuading others to part with money for players you yourself don't want is 10x harder. I'd go so far as to say in our case it can't be done. I am afraid you may be right. However, I zero confidence they can recognize a good player if he came up and bit them on the arse.
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Post by kelw on Jun 12, 2019 22:51:36 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 12, 2019 23:58:45 GMT
If only I could like this more than once
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