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Post by Northy on Jun 10, 2019 7:53:09 GMT
He was in court on Friday in Chester and next appearance August 28th, was advised if guilty its a custodial sentence. Refusing to provide a breathalyser specimen and a blood sample.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jun 10, 2019 8:00:08 GMT
Touch wood he goes down so we haven’t got listen to his annoying accent , shite opinions and general arrogance for a while on the radio.
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Post by shipshape on Jun 10, 2019 8:05:51 GMT
Touch wood he goes down so we haven’t got listen to his annoying accent , shite opinions and general arrogance for a while on the radio. I quite like him. Tells a good story. Should have a few more after a bit of time in the slammer. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 10, 2019 8:07:52 GMT
He was in court on Friday in Chester and next appearance August 28th, was advised if guilty its a custodial sentence. Refusing to provide a breathalyser specimen and a blood sample. It's not an automatic jail term Shirley? There must be aggravating features. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 10, 2019 8:14:24 GMT
He was in court on Friday in Chester and next appearance August 28th, was advised if guilty its a custodial sentence. Refusing to provide a breathalyser specimen and a blood sample. It's not an automatic jail term Shirley? There must be aggravating features. Deliberate refusal with higher culpability (no reason to not provide a sample) and great harm (driving impaired or like a knob irrespective of drink) makes it a Class 1 Failure to Provide a Specimen of breath (which he allegedly did twice) which carries a mandatory 12 week custodial sentence. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2019 8:49:51 GMT
So he is every bit the simpleton he comes across as on the radio then.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 10, 2019 8:53:13 GMT
He was in court on Friday in Chester and next appearance August 28th, was advised if guilty its a custodial sentence. Refusing to provide a breathalyser specimen and a blood sample. It's not an automatic jail term Shirley? There must be aggravating features. He’s Welsh, hang him high ! |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 10, 2019 9:01:03 GMT
He was in court on Friday in Chester and next appearance August 28th, was advised if guilty its a custodial sentence. Refusing to provide a breathalyser specimen and a blood sample. It's not an automatic jail term Shirley? There must be aggravating features. Aggravating features? They must have taken his commentaries into account... |
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Post by walton corner on Jun 10, 2019 10:21:04 GMT
Wont be a prison sentence...many refuse
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Post by thefarpost on Jun 10, 2019 10:37:24 GMT
It's not an automatic jail term Shirley? There must be aggravating features. Deliberate refusal with higher culpability (no reason to not provide a sample) and great harm (driving impaired or like a knob irrespective of drink) makes it a Class 1 Failure to Provide a Specimen of breath (which he allegedly did twice) which carries a mandatory 12 week custodial sentence.
Are you sure about this? A relative did this a few years ago and just got a lengthy ban (law could have changed)
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 10, 2019 10:55:03 GMT
Deliberate refusal with higher culpability (no reason to not provide a sample) and great harm (driving impaired or like a knob irrespective of drink) makes it a Class 1 Failure to Provide a Specimen of breath (which he allegedly did twice) which carries a mandatory 12 week custodial sentence. Are you sure about this? A relative did this a few years ago and just got a lengthy ban (law could have changed)
From what I can see it was revised in April 2017 that if there is no excuse and you are found driving dangerously the starting point is a 12 week sentence. Which based on the fact the judge has said this will be the basis of any sentence, we have to assume to be the charge. EDIT: found it www.fitzgerald-solicitors.co.uk/motor-law-section/fail-to-provide-a-specimen/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 11:05:16 GMT
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 10, 2019 11:07:45 GMT
Are you sure about this? A relative did this a few years ago and just got a lengthy ban (law could have changed)
From what I can see it was revised in April 2017 that if there is no excuse and you are found driving dangerously the starting point is a 12 week sentence. Which based on the fact the judge has said this will be the basis of any sentence, we have to assume to be the charge. EDIT: found it www.fitzgerald-solicitors.co.uk/motor-law-section/fail-to-provide-a-specimen/
The judge also advised Saunders that if he pleads guilty it could make a "significant difference" to the sentence he received, but Saunders has still chosen to deny the charges instead.
In other words, he's been told specifically by the judge that it will be custodial and then given a chance by the judge to possibly avoid that, but has now waived that opportunity by choosing to plead not guilty.
In short...he's been a fucking idiot by drink driving, a fucking idiot by refusing to give a breath test, a fucking idiot by then refusing to give a sample at the station and then compounded it all by being a fucking idiot by not taking the judge's advice. Thus proving beyond all doubt what we all knew about him anyway i.e. he's a fucking idiot!
FYI, the dangerous driving charge (which had been added to the charge of failing to provide a roadside test and a breathalyser test at the station), was discontinued by the CPS on Friday
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 10, 2019 11:13:57 GMT
DJ Sanders saw him in Ibiza 😎 |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 10, 2019 11:15:54 GMT
The judge also advised Saunders that if he pleads guilty it could make a "significant difference" to the sentence he received, but Saunders has still chosen to deny the charges instead. In other words, he's been told specifically by the judge that it will be custodial and then given a chance by the judge to possibly avoid that, but has now waived that opportunity by choosing to plead not guilty. In short...he's been a fucking idiot by drink driving, a fucking idiot by refusing to give a breath test, a fucking idiot by then refusing to give a sample at the station and then compounded it all by being a fucking idiot by not taking the judge's advice. Thus proving beyond all doubt what we all knew about him anyway i.e. he's a fucking idiot! FYI, the dangerous driving charge (which had been added to the charge of failing to provide a roadside test and a breathalyser test at the station), was discontinued by the CPS on Friday
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Post by kelw on Jun 10, 2019 11:16:15 GMT
Surely mental health, addiction etc excuse or does that only apply to Gascoigne as people like him more?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 10, 2019 11:27:12 GMT
Surely mental health, addiction etc excuse or does that only apply to Gascoigne as people like him more?
If he chooses to use those factors in his defence then of course it could change the outcome.
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You've just taken 2 completely unrelated matters and decided to conflate them for no apparent reason (other than to allow yourself a little soapbox again) and make a point that has no relevance to this thread whatsoever.
Well done you!
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Post by 3putts on Jun 10, 2019 11:40:21 GMT
Surely mental health, addiction etc excuse or does that only apply to Gascoigne as people like him more? What a bellend you really are. Why bring gazza into this he wasn't the one refusing to give a breath test? |
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Post by kelw on Jun 10, 2019 11:49:40 GMT
Surely mental health, addiction etc excuse or does that only apply to Gascoigne as people like him more? What a bellend you really are. Why bring gazza into this he wasn't the one refusing to give a breath test? Quite simply because so many on another thread defending him and Dean Saunders I hope he gets done comment . Gascoigne 4 times over the limit, then arrested for cocaine possession whilst on trial and avoids prison and some still call him a legend , assault, racism but hey it's Gascoigne. One rule for him on another thread. Ironic you use the term bellend when some defend one as some kind of hero yet someone they don't like because he has a whiny voice deserves what's coming to him. Is quite a simple comparison but maybe not as simple as I realised for some individuals. Hope that goes some way to helping you understand . |
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Post by 3putts on Jun 10, 2019 11:53:14 GMT
What a bellend you really are. Why bring gazza into this he wasn't the one refusing to give a breath test? Quite simply because so many on another thread defending him and Dean Saunders I hope he gets done comment . Gascoigne 4 times over the limit, then arrested for cocaine possession whilst on trial and avoids prison and some still call him a legend , assault, racism but hey it's Gascoigne. One rule for him on another thread. Ironic you use the term bellend when some defend one as some kind of hero yet someone they don't like because he has a whiny voice deserves what's coming to him. Is quite a simple comparison but maybe not as simple as I realised for some individuals. Hope that goes some way to helping you understand . Because I don't kick a man when he's down esp as he quite clearly has mental issues I am a simpleton? I suggest you look closer to home |
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Post by Goonie on Jun 10, 2019 12:00:53 GMT
The judge also advised Saunders that if he pleads guilty it could make a "significant difference" to the sentence he received, but Saunders has still chosen to deny the charges instead.
In other words, he's been told specifically by the judge that it will be custodial and then given a chance by the judge to possibly avoid that, but has now waived that opportunity by choosing to plead not guilty.
In short...he's been a fucking idiot by drink driving, a fucking idiot by refusing to give a breath test, a fucking idiot by then refusing to give a sample at the station and then compounded it all by being a fucking idiot by not taking the judge's advice. Thus proving beyond all doubt what we all knew about him anyway i.e. he's a fucking idiot!
FYI, the dangerous driving charge (which had been added to the charge of failing to provide a roadside test and a breathalyser test at the station), was discontinued by the CPS on Friday
Good summation Mick M |
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Post by nik80 on Jun 10, 2019 12:43:31 GMT
Now, I’m not much for the Welsh but Dean Saunders always strikes me as a pretty amusing guy. His impression of Brain Clough was quality 😄
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 10, 2019 12:49:58 GMT
What a bellend you really are. Why bring gazza into this he wasn't the one refusing to give a breath test? Quite simply because so many on another thread defending him and Dean Saunders I hope he gets done comment . Gascoigne 4 times over the limit, then arrested for cocaine possession whilst on trial and avoids prison and some still call him a legend , assault, racism but hey it's Gascoigne. One rule for him on another thread. Ironic you use the term bellend when some defend one as some kind of hero yet someone they don't like because he has a whiny voice deserves what's coming to him. Is quite a simple comparison but maybe not as simple as I realised for some individuals. Hope that goes some way to helping you understand .
Saunders hasn't claimed to have addiction problems or mental health problems i.e. the 2 very things that some (not all) feel sorry for Gazza for. THAT'S what people were saying on the other thread i.e. they felt sorry for him for the issues he has. I don't recall anyone, anywhere saying that they think he should get off any punishment for his offences because he's a "Legend"..you've just made that up in that tiny, little mind of yours and then chucked it into a completely unrelated thread.
You've taken 2 situations that aren't alike in any way, shape or form and then asked why they aren't being given the same treatment by people on here. Bizarre, idiotic, completely illogical and just utterly stupid on your part.
People feel sorry for Gazza because of his addictions and mental heath issues People don't feel sorry for Saunders' addictions and mental health problems because he doesn't have them.
Is that simple enough for even you to understand?
Now why don't you piss off and let the grown ups talk.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2019 12:55:06 GMT
Here's one of his goals with the local radio commentary. Radio commentary is ace
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 13:46:13 GMT
The judge also advised Saunders that if he pleads guilty it could make a "significant difference" to the sentence he received, but Saunders has still chosen to deny the charges instead. In other words, he's been told specifically by the judge that it will be custodial and then given a chance by the judge to possibly avoid that, but has now waived that opportunity by choosing to plead not guilty. In short...he's been a fucking idiot by drink driving, a fucking idiot by refusing to give a breath test, a fucking idiot by then refusing to give a sample at the station and then compounded it all by being a fucking idiot by not taking the judge's advice. Thus proving beyond all doubt what we all knew about him anyway i.e. he's a fucking idiot! FYI, the dangerous driving charge (which had been added to the charge of failing to provide a roadside test and a breathalyser test at the station), was discontinued by the CPS on Friday
Of course, he may have decided to plead not guilty because he's errr not guilty. Would an off the cuff sentencing remark by a District Judge make you plead guilty if you weren't? I've won many a fail provide trial because the police messed up somewhere. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 10, 2019 13:57:44 GMT
The judge also advised Saunders that if he pleads guilty it could make a "significant difference" to the sentence he received, but Saunders has still chosen to deny the charges instead. In other words, he's been told specifically by the judge that it will be custodial and then given a chance by the judge to possibly avoid that, but has now waived that opportunity by choosing to plead not guilty. In short...he's been a fucking idiot by drink driving, a fucking idiot by refusing to give a breath test, a fucking idiot by then refusing to give a sample at the station and then compounded it all by being a fucking idiot by not taking the judge's advice. Thus proving beyond all doubt what we all knew about him anyway i.e. he's a fucking idiot! FYI, the dangerous driving charge (which had been added to the charge of failing to provide a roadside test and a breathalyser test at the station), was discontinued by the CPS on Friday
Of course, he may have decided to plead not guilty because he's errr not guilty. Would an off the cuff sentencing remark by a District Judge make you plead guilty if you weren't? I've won many a fail provide trial because the police messed up somewhere. Perfectly fair comment. Apparently his reason for refusing to give the breath test was due to asthma (although the police say he didn't disclose that as a reason for him to not take it at the time, and the bodycam CCTV also doesn't indicate he did..i believe if you have a reasonable reason behind not taking the test, then you have to declare it at the time?). He also refused to give a sample at the station (which i'd guess asthma isn't really an excuse for)... Now, while both of those seem fairly clear cut (either he did or didn't do the breath test and sample) yes, police errors/screw ups of technicalities are of course possible. If he gets off on a technicality however, that wouldn't alter him being a fucking idiot....he'd simply be a fucking idiot that got off due to bigger fucking idiots |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 10, 2019 14:01:13 GMT
Of course, he may have decided to plead not guilty because he's errr not guilty. Would an off the cuff sentencing remark by a District Judge make you plead guilty if you weren't? I've won many a fail provide trial because the police messed up somewhere. Perfectly fair comment. Apparently his reason for refusing to give the breath test was due to asthma (although the police say he didn't disclose that as a reason for him to not take it at the time, and the bodycam CCTV also doesn't indicate he did..i believe if you have a reasonable reason behind not taking the test, then you have to declare it at the time?). He also refused to give a sample at the station (which i'd guess asthma isn't really an excuse for)... Now, while both of those seem fairly clear cut (either he did or didn't do the breath test and sample) yes, police errors/screw ups of technicalities are of course possible. If he gets off on a technicality however, that wouldn't alter him being a fucking idiot....he'd simply be a fucking idiot that got off due to bigger fucking idiots Urine/blood samples are alternatives to those with a genuine medical condition, so yeah going to the station he would have been expected to do one of those two. |
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 10, 2019 14:03:01 GMT
Deliberate refusal with higher culpability (no reason to not provide a sample) and great harm (driving impaired or like a knob irrespective of drink) makes it a Class 1 Failure to Provide a Specimen of breath (which he allegedly did twice) which carries a mandatory 12 week custodial sentence.
Are you sure about this? A relative did this a few years ago and just got a lengthy ban (law could have changed)
same here. (v. silly i recall, cos he'd only had a couple of bitters and would have probably passed, but did it because of his contempt for the police!!!) |
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Post by RAF on Jun 10, 2019 15:19:36 GMT
Ironic that it was Saunders who called Berahino out for being a fucking waster!
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 10, 2019 15:30:08 GMT
I quite like Saunders, mildly amusing and doesn't take himself too seriously. Good footballing career as well.
If he's broke the law then he deserves anything that is coming to him.
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