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Post by crapslinger on Jul 9, 2019 6:07:15 GMT
All the best to Pieters. Been a decent player for us. ☺️ Now with the money gained from this sale and the sell on clause of Arni (the wanker) we might be able to invest in a new LB Invest £1.5m on a decent LB dream on.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 9, 2019 7:02:55 GMT
All the best to him, he served us well and always appreciated the fans. It leaves us with very poor cover at LB. He was never going to be cover anyway. Still leàves us with poor cover.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 9, 2019 7:05:20 GMT
All the best to him, he served us well and always appreciated the fans. It leaves us with very poor cover at LB. Plenty of time yet and means another hefty salary cleared and a few quid in on top of that. True but I think I'd have preferred him to stay. When he went on loan I thought he was doing well but this is football. Probably more to it all than we know.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 9, 2019 7:12:22 GMT
Ekker is a really nice guy, been a fantastic servant to the club for peanuts, works hard and I wish him well That said, I have never in all my days seen a worse crosser of a football - ever. Dont know how many of them in his time here ended up either going for a throw as overhit, out for a goal kick, or straight to the keeper. When he did put a good one in, they were staggeringly good, but nobody ever read one as it was unexpected! So long Erik, good luck! Worst crosser of a football is still at the club He’s called James Mclean
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Post by Robo10 on Jul 9, 2019 8:26:19 GMT
Ekker is a really nice guy, been a fantastic servant to the club for peanuts, works hard and I wish him well That said, I have never in all my days seen a worse crosser of a football - ever. Dont know how many of them in his time here ended up either going for a throw as overhit, out for a goal kick, or straight to the keeper. When he did put a good one in, they were staggeringly good, but nobody ever read one as it was unexpected! So long Erik, good luck! Worst crosser of a football is still at the club He’s called James Mclean Thats just not true! He isnt a great crosser at all either, but Erik is the world champion at delivering a duff cross
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Post by stantheman on Jul 9, 2019 8:34:40 GMT
Plenty of time yet and means another hefty salary cleared and a few quid in on top of that. True but I think I'd have preferred him to stay. When he went on loan I thought he was doing well but this is football. Probably more to it all than we know. There are a good half dozen players on huge wages, who will never play for the Club again, who we cant give away. Getting rid of Eric doesnt make much financial sense. Good luck Eric.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jul 9, 2019 9:05:00 GMT
I like many others, can only see this one as truly bizarre.
Eric ( 30) to Burnley Stephen Ward (33) albeit separately) to us.
Eric never particulalry good in the opposing half -true BUT
I Can only surmise Our new manager sees things we dont or, has other irons in the fire
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:22:19 GMT
How are we consistently so bad at this? It's every fucking time and half the buggers we literally can't sell. Swanning off to train with Koln, Going off on trial with Birmingham, In a climate where Mings went for 20M - some on here are happy to see Erik, a proven Prem defender go for 1.5M?? It's fucking madness. We need new people to come in and run this sort of thing because the ones responsible for the past 10 or so years have proven beyond doubt they are about as bad as it gets. We're desperate to get people off the wage bill 1 to 2mil seemed about right. You can't compare it with Mings. You've lost me with the Brum trial tbh? I get the wage bill point I'm not annoyed he's leaving, I'm annoyed we're happy to let him go for peanuts. Yes he needed to go, but everyone sees us coming and takes us for a ride. N'diaye is the worst of this - how we haven't managed to make a profit yet is beyond me. And Mings IS comparable - Both Surplus to requirements, Mings dropped down into the Championship, Erik was relegated but has far more Prem experience. One of those players is being sold for 20M the other (best case 2-3) The point I was making here re: Brum was we buy players for 18M 12M Wimmer, Berahnio Imbula, N'dayie etc and we literally have to/can't give some of them away. 12m turns into a trial at Birmingham. 18M turns into training at Koln. God knows what's going on with Imbula. You can bet Woods will go for less than we paid for him too. It's a culture here and particularly on this message board that people seem to think we deserve to get shit fees or try and paint over the fact that our assets become total shit and unsalable almost immediately. And somehow I'm the oddball for saying prices are inflated in general and we should demand more - and those responsible should also be sacked and chucked in the torture pit.
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Post by pez75 on Jul 9, 2019 9:42:38 GMT
I like many others, can only see this one as truly bizarre. Eric ( 30) to Burnley Stephen Ward (33) albeit separately) to us. Eric never particulalry good in the opposing half -true BUT I Can only surmise Our new manager sees things we dont or, has other irons in the fire Not really that hard to grasp. NJ likes his fullbacks to be able to play at both ends of the pitch - Pieters was shit as soon as he crossed the halfway line. Ward is experienced and will do a job but I am certain we will still be looking to get another LB in.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 9, 2019 9:45:32 GMT
I like many others, can only see this one as truly bizarre. Eric ( 30) to Burnley Stephen Ward (33) albeit separately) to us. Eric never particulalry good in the opposing half -true BUT I Can only surmise Our new manager sees things we dont or, has other irons in the fire Not really that hard to grasp. NJ likes his fullbacks to be able to play at both ends of the pitch - Pieters was shit as soon as he crossed the halfway line. Ward is experienced and will do a job but I am certain we will still be looking to get another LB in. I think you're pissing in the wind mate, people don't get we are trying to get promoted and full backs are an effective way to attack. Pieters might do well at Burnley, they are trying to stay up, we are trying to go up. We need full backs who are effective attackers
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 9, 2019 10:38:26 GMT
If we're seriously heading into the new season with McClean, Ward and BMI for the LWB as SLP suggest, I'll have no other option than to shove a toothpick up my urethra. Isn’t it down...? Hmm. Not sure actually, that's a good point. I suppose it depends on how the angle of how things fall when you move in for the approach.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 9, 2019 10:41:34 GMT
18 Erik Pieters for 1 Kevin Wimmer. erm right
Another catastrophe for the transfer team to add to the long list
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 10:46:35 GMT
18 Erik Pieters for 1 Kevin Wimmer. erm right Another catastrophe for the transfer team to add to the long list I'm not sure you've got that right?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 9, 2019 11:27:14 GMT
18 Erik Pieters for 1 Kevin Wimmer. erm right Another catastrophe for the transfer team to add to the long list I'm not sure you've got that right? It’s a daft comparison to make. We paid €3.6m (according to transfermarkt) for Pieters and got almost 200 games out of him, then recouped €1.1m moving him on. Anyone expecting us to sell him for close to, or even more than we paid (bearing in mind his age, and contract length) are delusional.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 9, 2019 11:30:54 GMT
18 Erik Pieters for 1 Kevin Wimmer. erm right Another catastrophe for the transfer team to add to the long list *Mark Hughes All signings were requested and signed off by the manager at the time.
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Post by rawli on Jul 9, 2019 11:34:57 GMT
All the best to Pieters. Been a decent player for us. ☺️ Now with the money gained from this sale and the sell on clause of Arni (the wanker) we might be able to invest in a new LB Invest £1.5m on a decent LB dream on. Frees up wages more than anything.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 9, 2019 12:05:19 GMT
I'm not sure you've got that right? It’s a daft comparison to make. We paid €3.6m (according to transfermarkt) for Pieters and got almost 200 games out of him, then recouped €1.1m moving him on. Anyone expecting us to sell him for close to, or even more than we paid (bearing in mind his age, and contract length) are delusional. Why are they delusional? We give players away, have done for decades. Other clubs get £20m plus for dross like Mings.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 9, 2019 12:24:52 GMT
I'm not sure you've got that right? It’s a daft comparison to make. We paid €3.6m (according to transfermarkt) for Pieters and got almost 200 games out of him, then recouped €1.1m moving him on. Anyone expecting us to sell him for close to, or even more than we paid (bearing in mind his age, and contract length) are delusional. In a market that continues to grow and expand we sell our better players for second hand car prices. Any other team that had a solid left-back aged just 30 with 200 league Premier League appearances would sell for a profit.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 9, 2019 12:29:59 GMT
Not really that hard to grasp. NJ likes his fullbacks to be able to play at both ends of the pitch - Pieters was shit as soon as he crossed the halfway line. Ward is experienced and will do a job but I am certain we will still be looking to get another LB in. I think you're pissing in the wind mate, people don't get we are trying to get promoted and full backs are an effective way to attack. Pieters might do well at Burnley, they are trying to stay up, we are trying to go up. We need full backs who are effective attackers Ward ! how old is he ?
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Post by Northy on Jul 9, 2019 12:46:57 GMT
18 Erik Pieters for 1 Kevin Wimmer. erm right Another catastrophe for the transfer team to add to the long list 5 for the price we bought him, compare at the like for like, as the market has changed since then. We've had 5 good years from him, he's also 30 now and not 25.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 9, 2019 13:11:59 GMT
And has been replaced by a 34 year old- rest assured that pace and an ability to bomb up and down the flank for 90 minutes will not be Ward’s strongest attribute. I really hope NJ does have something up his sleeve because his current LB options are in total contradiction to what he says he expects from his full back/wing back.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 9, 2019 23:51:19 GMT
We're desperate to get people off the wage bill 1 to 2mil seemed about right. You can't compare it with Mings. You've lost me with the Brum trial tbh? I get the wage bill point I'm not annoyed he's leaving, I'm annoyed we're happy to let him go for peanuts. Yes he needed to go, but everyone sees us coming and takes us for a ride. N'diaye is the worst of this - how we haven't managed to make a profit yet is beyond me. And Mings IS comparable - Both Surplus to requirements, Mings dropped down into the Championship, Erik was relegated but has far more Prem experience. One of those players is being sold for 20M the other (best case 2-3) The point I was making here re: Brum was we buy players for 18M 12M Wimmer, Berahnio Imbula, N'dayie etc and we literally have to/can't give some of them away. 12m turns into a trial at Birmingham. 18M turns into training at Koln. God knows what's going on with Imbula. You can bet Woods will go for less than we paid for him too. It's a culture here and particularly on this message board that people seem to think we deserve to get shit fees or try and paint over the fact that our assets become total shit and unsalable almost immediately. And somehow I'm the oddball for saying prices are inflated in general and we should demand more - and those responsible should also be sacked and chucked in the torture pit. Isn't this down to how the (much discussed) football management side of the club has been ran for a few years now, which means decent players rapidly - or gradually - become shadows of what they could be? ... and no development players really come through but for last season's abberation with Tom. Ince, Woods and Vokes have been amongst the very best players in the Championship for their clubs; Clucas too. All look average at best. Liverpool fans were sad Allen left. He was pivotal in Wales' Euro run - and many deem him a headless chicken in the championship. Imbula starts and looks like a promising, capable PL midfielder; and turns into the worst player we've ever had. How many strikers have gone from good to average; average to crap - from Bony to Diouf? I don't know the inside of the club to know the cause - but the symptoms above point to a whole lack of professionalism about how the football side is run, from procurement through to training, fitness, tactics, and ultimately performance. If we know the manager can pick players on whims - and pay fees based on absolutely no benchmarks known to man - tolerate drop-kicks like Beharinho - what makes us think there is any process or capabilities at the club on how we maintain and enhance the performance levels of players? Fees are very often hugely hiked or deflated by current performance. And because the performance of our players rapidly turns into something between mediocre and poor, our fees look daft and there is always someone somewhere else who then command the bigger fees and we can't shift our's.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 10, 2019 19:37:48 GMT
I've only just realised that Erik going to Burney is actually true, I thought it was only a rumour.
What an appallingly run football club we are.
An utter and complete joke
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 19:44:44 GMT
I've only just realised that Erik going to Burney is actually true, I thought it was only a rumour. What an appallingly run football club we are. An utter and complete joke Isn't it a good thing that our players go on to bigger & better things? 👀
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 14:05:59 GMT
I get the wage bill point I'm not annoyed he's leaving, I'm annoyed we're happy to let him go for peanuts. Yes he needed to go, but everyone sees us coming and takes us for a ride. N'diaye is the worst of this - how we haven't managed to make a profit yet is beyond me. And Mings IS comparable - Both Surplus to requirements, Mings dropped down into the Championship, Erik was relegated but has far more Prem experience. One of those players is being sold for 20M the other (best case 2-3) The point I was making here re: Brum was we buy players for 18M 12M Wimmer, Berahnio Imbula, N'dayie etc and we literally have to/can't give some of them away. 12m turns into a trial at Birmingham. 18M turns into training at Koln. God knows what's going on with Imbula. You can bet Woods will go for less than we paid for him too. It's a culture here and particularly on this message board that people seem to think we deserve to get shit fees or try and paint over the fact that our assets become total shit and unsalable almost immediately. And somehow I'm the oddball for saying prices are inflated in general and we should demand more - and those responsible should also be sacked and chucked in the torture pit. Isn't this down to how the (much discussed) football management side of the club has been ran for a few years now, which means decent players rapidly - or gradually - become shadows of what they could be? ... and no development players really come through but for last season's abberation with Tom. Ince, Woods and Vokes have been amongst the very best players in the Championship for their clubs; Clucas too. All look average at best. Liverpool fans were sad Allen left. He was pivotal in Wales' Euro run - and many deem him a headless chicken in the championship. Imbula starts and looks like a promising, capable PL midfielder; and turns into the worst player we've ever had. How many strikers have gone from good to average; average to crap - from Bony to Diouf? I don't know the inside of the club to know the cause - but the symptoms above point to a whole lack of professionalism about how the football side is run, from procurement through to training, fitness, tactics, and ultimately performance. If we know the manager can pick players on whims - and pay fees based on absolutely no benchmarks known to man - tolerate drop-kicks like Beharinho - what makes us think there is any process or capabilities at the club on how we maintain and enhance the performance levels of players? Fees are very often hugely hiked or deflated by current performance. And because the performance of our players rapidly turns into something between mediocre and poor, our fees look daft and there is always someone somewhere else who then command the bigger fees and we can't shift our's. I don't think we're responsible for making players wank, but I can't put my finger on why we can't shift them for more like everyone else. (Or at least the same as we bought them for.) I think it's got something to do with a playstation style mentality of picking all really fast players or sticking a striker in every position and wondering why it isn't working. With Wimmer Imbula Berahino it was shit scouting and there clearly weren't thorough checks in place. But it doesn't explain N'diaye - we should be looking at profit there no questions. Agree re: Ince, Woods and Vokes have been amongst the very best players in the Championship for their clubs; Clucas too. All look average at best. - I think that's largely down to GR buying good players without any idea how to actually get them to gel. lack of professionalism about how the football side is run, from procurement through to training, fitness, tactics, and ultimately performance. - Totally agree here. If we know the manager can pick players on whims - and pay fees based on absolutely no benchmarks known to man - tolerate drop-kicks like Beharinho - what makes us think there is any process or capabilities at the club on how we maintain and enhance the performance levels of players? This I think is the crux of it all, an old lot of decision-makers need fucking off and a new system put in place to failsafe wimmers/berahinos etc.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Aug 10, 2019 15:54:15 GMT
Two assists for Burnley today in a 3-0 win against Southampton
We let him go why ?
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 10, 2019 15:57:55 GMT
Two assists for Burnley today in a 3-0 win against Southampton We let him go why ? Absolutely agree, Ward wasnt horrible but Pieters is still by far the better of the two. Doesnt make sense really Also surprised by his 2 assists given ekkas crossing :/
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 10, 2019 15:58:07 GMT
Two assists for Burnley today in a 3-0 win against Southampton We let him go why ? Because we have Ward and McClean I thought that was obvious. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 15:58:46 GMT
Two assists for Burnley today in a 3-0 win against Southampton We let him go why ? He was a solid LB for us, good luck to him. NJ clearly thought he wasn’t going to fit in the new style, turns out he’s too good for us now anyway.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 10, 2019 16:01:35 GMT
Two assists for Burnley today in a 3-0 win against Southampton We let him go why ? He was a solid LB for us, good luck to him. NJ clearly thought he wasn’t going to fit in the new style, turns out he’s too good for us now anyway. coz Jones is a stubborn dickhead thats why
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