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Post by peekay67 on Jun 6, 2019 10:26:52 GMT
Football hooliganism, racism and sectarianism, in my opinion, never really went away. The England fans in Porto are just something that has been 'hidden away'.
It all needs stamping out once and for all. It is not an easy job but our esteemed politicians need to take the bull by the horns and end it.
Brexit' proves that maybe they are just not up to it.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 6, 2019 10:42:23 GMT
How do you stop something like football hooliganism? For most people, it seems daft, but others actually enjoy it. How can you stop something that people enjoy?
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 6, 2019 11:05:54 GMT
Hooliganism needs decoupling from football. If some dickheads want to smash the shit out of each other then let them do it in a field where nobody else gets hurt or affected. I hate the fact that some people say “some football fans are dickheads”. I’d rather it be “some human beings are dickheads, and they sometimes act as such when they are attending a football match”. I think it’s got to be in you to want to act that way, football doesn’t turn people into knobs. I’ve never had any desire to get involved in any aggro. I’d walk the other way.
I have no idea how you stop it, nor why some morons get pleasure from behaving like animals.
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Post by kelw on Jun 6, 2019 11:21:20 GMT
Football hooliganism, racism and sectarianism, in my opinion, never really went away. The England fans in Porto are just something that has been 'hidden away'. It all needs stamping out once and for all. It is not an easy job but our esteemed politicians need to take the bull by the horns and end it. Brexit' proves that maybe they are just not up to it. How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 6, 2019 11:34:37 GMT
Back in the 70s and 80s you’d mainly get thrown out or if you got nicked it was a £50 fine which was a lot then, especially if you’re on a YTS. More often than not it’s now a prison sentence but doesn’t seem to stop them.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 6, 2019 11:37:51 GMT
Football hooliganism, racism and sectarianism, in my opinion, never really went away. The England fans in Porto are just something that has been 'hidden away'. It all needs stamping out once and for all. It is not an easy job but our esteemed politicians need to take the bull by the horns and end it. Brexit' proves that maybe they are just not up to it. How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? |
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Post by werrington on Jun 6, 2019 11:38:38 GMT
Some fixtures will always attract a “stag night” type of support
Czech Republic in Prague on the Friday night is next on the list
As someone who follows/followed England abroad some games are just best avoided although it is possible to avoid them as the main squares are a magnet for them
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Post by werrington on Jun 6, 2019 11:39:41 GMT
How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? Away from the media Russian hysterics England actually made a fist of it mate |
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Post by Goonie on Jun 6, 2019 11:39:47 GMT
How do you stop something like football hooliganism? For most people, it seems daft, but others actually enjoy it. How can you stop something that people enjoy? Enjoyment, seems a difficult word to use - all the hooligans I've ever met were very angry men, lost and desperate for a sense of belonging and purpose in life - they may therefore derive enjoyment from accomplishing this as would the kudos in their social circles Never appealed me as I have an underlying core belief in it being wrong to harm others |
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Post by Goonie on Jun 6, 2019 11:41:49 GMT
How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? It wouldn't be so bad if they just mangled and mutilated one another but it's the decent, law abiding bystanders who get the unprovoked violence Alcohol also plays a huge part in their violent disinhibition |
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Post by Absolution on Jun 6, 2019 11:41:49 GMT
How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? I was just about to post that the countries where these groups choose to kick off is an indication of what would make them stop. |
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Post by Goonie on Jun 6, 2019 11:42:56 GMT
Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? I was just about to post that the countries where these groups choose to kick off is an indication of what would make them stop. Wasn't much in the USA WC either - I wonder why? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 6, 2019 11:46:26 GMT
Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? Away from the media Russian hysterics England actually made a fist of it mate Talking about the World Cup last year mate. From what I can remember there wasn't a sniff of mither. |
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Post by Davef on Jun 6, 2019 11:56:38 GMT
Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? Away from the media Russian hysterics England actually made a fist of it mate  |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jun 6, 2019 11:57:22 GMT
Some fixtures will always attract a “stag night” type of support Czech Republic in Prague on the Friday night is next on the list As someone who follows/followed England abroad some games are just best avoided although it is possible to avoid them as the main squares are a magnet for them Amsterdam was the same, genuine England Travel Club members will be staying away from this, mostly because they don't want to be caught in trouble and have their membership taken off them. Alot of people have travelled without tickets, you'll probably find they make up the numbers for those acting up. |
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Post by werrington on Jun 6, 2019 12:00:18 GMT
Away from the media Russian hysterics England actually made a fist of it mate Talking about the World Cup last year mate. From what I can remember there wasn't a sniff of mither. Oh they won’t travel there mate Any big Western European city or Berlin Amsterdam Paris Prague ( you get the picture) is a magnet Same with us in Europe, Valencia and Thun was the magnet but they never travelled to Istanbul Split or Tell Aviiv as those places have hooligan issues Read them like a book |
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Post by kelw on Jun 6, 2019 12:09:21 GMT
Exactly. Where were all these bottle throwing hard lads last year in Russia? Away from the media Russian hysterics England actually made a fist of it mate Certainly on the end of a few. Those that didn't throw chairs then run like the Roadrunner before complaining about being bullied, poor lambs |
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Post by kelw on Jun 6, 2019 12:11:41 GMT
I was just about to post that the countries where these groups choose to kick off is an indication of what would make them stop. Wasn't much in the USA WC either - I wonder why? Actually I saw a very pissed Chris Waddle having a row with an Asian lady in a Celtic top in a pub in New York. Kicked off big time until Waddle passed out 😁 |
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 6, 2019 13:24:46 GMT
Football hooliganism, racism and sectarianism, in my opinion, never really went away. The England fans in Porto are just something that has been 'hidden away'. It all needs stamping out once and for all. It is not an easy job but our esteemed politicians need to take the bull by the horns and end it. Brexit' proves that maybe they are just not up to it. Nanny pamyism that shirks away from identifying and prosecuting the individuals who carry out this nonsense. Anyone and everything blamed but those who do it! I generally hate seeing clubs fined et al for this, which is the defacto response. 99percent of fans don’t want this, the club don’t want it, no one wants it, but its a lazy cop. |
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Post by stokieinaus on Jun 6, 2019 13:32:20 GMT
Hooliganism needs decoupling from football. If some dickheads want to smash the shit out of each other then let them do it in a field where nobody else gets hurt or affected. I hate the fact that some people say “some football fans are dickheads”. I’d rather it be “some human beings are dickheads, and they sometimes act as such when they are attending a football match”. I think it’s got to be in you to want to act that way, football doesn’t turn people into knobs. I’ve never had any desire to get involved in any aggro. I’d walk the other way. I have no idea how you stop it, nor why some morons get pleasure from behaving like animals. It’s what the Romans did and they were very smart people |
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Post by fca47 on Jun 6, 2019 13:35:40 GMT
Anyone who thinks it hasn't improved,hasn't been watching football for long.It will never be stamped out because there will always be some idiots.
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Post by Gods on Jun 6, 2019 13:38:32 GMT
I thought this season had mercifully and finally ended, is something else going on ?!
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jun 6, 2019 14:06:34 GMT
You won't see the likes of the bottle throwers in Kosovo later on this year.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 6, 2019 14:33:46 GMT
Only got look at The Sentivale this week.
Their lot are all up for Grimsby. Some have had suspended prison just for gesticulating.
The actual reporting says not involved in any violence blah blah blah, but Joe Bloggs can be seen sticking two fingers up and climbing onto a wall . Suspended.
I saw a guy in the paper who robbed Bet Fred at knifepoint only getting a suspended sentence.
It has never gone away, look back to December. And it never will.
We ourselves had a thread where plenty were clearly hoping for a ruck at Millwall.
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Post by kelw on Jun 6, 2019 16:22:52 GMT
You won't see the likes of the bottle throwers in Kosovo later on this year. What's happening in Kosovo? |
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Post by werrington on Jun 6, 2019 16:33:23 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 6, 2019 16:42:42 GMT
Football hooliganism, racism and sectarianism, in my opinion, never really went away. The England fans in Porto are just something that has been 'hidden away'. It all needs stamping out once and for all. It is not an easy job but our esteemed politicians need to take the bull by the horns and end it. Brexit' proves that maybe they are just not up to it. How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way If you think those Russians were mere hooligans or 'lads' I'd recommend you read into what happened in Marseille. There was also a documentary on TV which detailed how a trained group of ex and current security forces were sent over to batter some drunken english as a sort of propoganda news story. They were flown over by the russian govt. They nearly killed a little old drunk English fan. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 6, 2019 17:00:08 GMT
How to politicians stop football hooliganism? Just let a few Russian lads loose on them is the only way If you think those Russians were mere hooligans or 'lads' I'd recommend you read into what happened in Marseille. There was also a documentary on TV which detailed how a trained group of ex and current security forces were sent over to batter some drunken english as a sort of propoganda news story. They were flown over by the russian govt. They nearly killed a little old drunk English fan. Have been to 4 World Cups and 3 Euros and seen the trail of destruction England fans have left- in fact saw it first hand in Cagliari and Marseille amongst others. Whilst I sympathise with those caught up just there for the game, I don't when the bigger boys come and sort you out so to speak, whoever they are when they treat towns they way they do. Whilst it is a small contingent it isn't just one or two people. They're like the school bully who pick on the weaker kid then complain when they find out he has an older brother |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jun 6, 2019 17:14:14 GMT
You won't see the likes of the bottle throwers in Kosovo later on this year. What's happening in Kosovo? They are in our qualifying group. We play them over there in November. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 6, 2019 17:20:55 GMT
What's happening in Kosovo? They are in our qualifying group. We play them over there in November. Ah ok. That should be interesting. |
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