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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 22, 2021 8:11:32 GMT
With Badou and Etebo one suspects issues surrounding ownership and players not being able to make their own choices
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Post by xchpotter on May 22, 2021 8:12:32 GMT
For as long as I have a hole in my arse, I'll never understand why certain footballers put their complete trust in an agent to sort out their lives. Money is one thing but christ, the regrets will last you a lifetime. Indeed. Remember the old days when players contracts often involved their dad! At least you could say they were committed to getting the best deal for the player. I don’t mind agents trying to get money for the player, but they treat them like a piece of meet whilst claiming to be looking out for them. An agent’s sole intent is getting the deal which gives them the best cut of the horse trading. I’m not sure if I’m mistaken or just having a mad moment, but don’t the PFA offer a contract service? If not they and the football authorities should. Percentage cuts could be made clear and money also put back into grass roots as part of the deal. I’d much rather see fees go back into the game than lining the pockets of these slug agents.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 22, 2021 8:18:38 GMT
Sounds like the Saudi club are paying his wages until the summer of 2022 on a long-term loan that is effectively a transfer, but we've retained his registration, so have agreed a deal where we would get at least a percentage of any fee should he leave the Saudi club, which he is presumably angling for due to the prospect of playing in front of 50 people and 3 camels in the Saudi second division? But as a minimum we don't have to worry about paying his wages ever again, and any additional fee would be a bonus. Great negotiating skills by Mr T Scholes!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 22, 2021 8:23:21 GMT
Sounds like the Saudi club are paying his wages until the summer of 2022 on a long-term loan that is effectively a transfer, but we've retained his registration, so have agreed a deal where we would get at least a percentage of any fee should he leave the Saudi club, which he is presumably angling for due to the prospect of playing in front of 50 people and 3 camels in the Saudi second division? But as a minimum we don't have to worry about paying his wages ever again, and any additional fee would be a bonus. Great negotiating skills by Mr T Scholes! Like praising the captain of the titanic for sticking a patch on the hole
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 22, 2021 8:25:16 GMT
Great negotiating skills by Mr T Scholes! Like praising the captain of the titanic for sticking a patch on the hole The best people learn from their mistakes and do better in the future. Well done Mr Scholes. Getting ever closer to that Knighthood for....
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Post by bolders on May 22, 2021 8:29:15 GMT
What do you think he was on £20-£30k a week? Could be a saving of £1m -£1.5m in wages. With him off the books gotta be able give Powell a couple of £k more to extend his contract.
Just Etebo, Lindsay, Woods, Ince, Wimmer, Bauer, Indi and Gregory to go now.
Getting Allen off would be a massive help to
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Post by Linx on May 22, 2021 8:35:08 GMT
What do you think he was on £20-£30k a week? Could be a saving of £1m -£1.5m in wages. With him off the books gotta be able give Powell a couple of £k more to extend his contract. Just Etebo, Lindsay, Woods, Ince, Wimmer, Bauer, Indi and Gregory to go now. Getting Allen off would be a massive help to I always forget about Wimmer. I’m not sure I like being reminded.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2021 8:39:53 GMT
This is one of the annoying things about the Sentinel. They will throw in a comment like "he is no longer on Stoke's wage bill" but also state that he is still "under contract" - but can't be bothered to explain how those two, apparently conflicting, statements come about! Is it so complicated that the reporter doesn't understand it, or has the reporter been sworn to silence when it comes to explaining the full situation? I think it’s more likely to be lack of information provided by the club. They don’t like providing much information or answering questions and are spiteful with the media when they don’t tow the line.
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 22, 2021 8:57:34 GMT
This is one of the annoying things about the Sentinel. They will throw in a comment like "he is no longer on Stoke's wage bill" but also state that he is still "under contract" - but can't be bothered to explain how those two, apparently conflicting, statements come about! Is it so complicated that the reporter doesn't understand it, or has the reporter been sworn to silence when it comes to explaining the full situation? I think it’s more likely to be lack of information provided by the club. They don’t like providing much information or answering questions and are spiteful with the media when they don’t tow the line. It is generally governed by agreements between the two clubs as to how much information is released. In one recent deal, Stoke ended up in a row after making a comment to the press as the other club had not given permission and felt it could damage them in future deals. But blame the club anyway if you like.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2021 9:14:22 GMT
I think it’s more likely to be lack of information provided by the club. They don’t like providing much information or answering questions and are spiteful with the media when they don’t tow the line. It is generally governed by agreements between the two clubs as to how much information is released. In one recent deal, Stoke ended up in a row after making a comment to the press as the other club had not given permission and felt it could damage them in future deals. But blame the club anyway if you like. The club has a history of opaque dealings it’s so consistent it can’t be because of every other club. They are avidly against meaningful fan representation and involvement. It’s their train set and they’ll play with it however they like. If you’re ok with that, that’s up to you but there are alternatives that have significant backing ie the German model.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 22, 2021 9:23:59 GMT
It is generally governed by agreements between the two clubs as to how much information is released. In one recent deal, Stoke ended up in a row after making a comment to the press as the other club had not given permission and felt it could damage them in future deals. But blame the club anyway if you like. The club has a history of opaque dealings it’s so consistent it can’t be because of every other club. They are avidly against meaningful fan representation and involvement. It’s their train set and they’ll play with it however they like. If you’re ok with that, that’s up to you but there are alternatives that have significant backing ie the German model. I think we are very fortunate having the Coates family to back the club, and as things stand now the best solution we could have in my opinion. On the other hand I really support the German model where the fans have 51% of the shares, if I have understood this correctly, as I think all football clubs are just as much about the fans as anything else. If you take away the fans what's really left in the game? Such a model ensures that history is preserved and the best interest of the club and football come first!
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Post by Olgrligm on May 22, 2021 9:37:44 GMT
We've done well to weedle out of this one.
He wasn't even that good. A decent Chanpionship player who cost £16 million and a lot of headaches.
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 22, 2021 10:07:03 GMT
What do you think he was on £20-£30k a week? Could be a saving of £1m -£1.5m in wages. With him off the books gotta be able give Powell a couple of £k more to extend his contract. Just Etebo, Lindsay, Woods, Ince, Wimmer, Bauer, Indi and Gregory to go now. Getting Allen off would be a massive help to I always forget about Wimmer. I’m not sure I like being reminded. Benik Afoebe not to forget!!!! unbelievably all signed post Hughes except for Wimmer. It seems we just hit the panik button and have been running around like headless chickens until MON arrived but what a mess he inherited
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2021 10:20:12 GMT
The club has a history of opaque dealings it’s so consistent it can’t be because of every other club. They are avidly against meaningful fan representation and involvement. It’s their train set and they’ll play with it however they like. If you’re ok with that, that’s up to you but there are alternatives that have significant backing ie the German model. I think we are very fortunate having the Coates family to back the club, and as things stand now the best solution we could have in my opinion. On the other hand I really support the German model where the fans have 51% of the shares, if I have understood this correctly, as I think all football clubs are just as much about the fans as anything else. If you take away the fans what's really left in the game? Such a model ensures that history is preserved and the best interest of the club and football come first! Absolutely, I think our future is best served by their continued involvement. To modernise and restructure would take a hell of a sea change from them. Obviously the German model could only be achieved by legislation, my point was that they would be some of the most vehement opponents of it.
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Post by wilcopotter on May 22, 2021 10:28:27 GMT
What do you think he was on £20-£30k a week? Could be a saving of £1m -£1.5m in wages. With him off the books gotta be able give Powell a couple of £k more to extend his contract. Just Etebo, Lindsay, Woods, Ince, Wimmer, Bauer, Indi and Gregory to go now. Getting Allen off would be a massive help to On the bright side, looks like we may be able to move most of them as they’re doing quite well where they’re on loan.
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Post by femark on May 22, 2021 10:53:17 GMT
My favourite memory of this waster was the cutting edge journalism of our Nige after the Everton defeat in the blizzard . So what was it like for you to play in snow Badou !!! Sensational bit of journalism considering he spent his early career in Norway 😂
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Post by Trouserdog on May 22, 2021 11:05:44 GMT
We've done well to weedle out of this one. He wasn't even that good. A decent Chanpionship player who cost £16 million and a lot of headaches. I think he was Prem-class myself. Lower end maybe, but miles above anything else on the books ability-wise. Can only imagine other clubs (Sheff Utd were interested for a while) were put off by the baggage that comes with him. Glad to see he'll be playing out his contract in the Saudi second division, the mercenary twat.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 11:14:57 GMT
The one thing I don’t understand here is, hes bouncing round shit leagues but doesn’t want to play here? I think his career is on the verge of collapse, whereas if he didn’t request to leave when MON came in he could be attracting better offers as we was in decent form. It can only be money driven Look at his background and that of his family and that sentence of yours might just change meaning. I think there was a point when his career was driven by ambition and desire to play at a high level, like any pro. But as that never really happened, all that became secondary to the project of setting himself and his (extended) family up for life.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 11:50:39 GMT
interesting that it says he’s no longer on our wage bill. Not sure how that works. We don't pay him? How is he under contract if we are not paying him?
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Post by march4 on May 22, 2021 12:21:27 GMT
It is generally governed by agreements between the two clubs as to how much information is released. In one recent deal, Stoke ended up in a row after making a comment to the press as the other club had not given permission and felt it could damage them in future deals. But blame the club anyway if you like. The club has a history of opaque dealings it’s so consistent it can’t be because of every other club. They are avidly against meaningful fan representation and involvement. It’s their train set and they’ll play with it however they like. If you’re ok with that, that’s up to you but there are alternatives that have significant backing ie the German model. We have more fan representation on the board than most clubs. The Coates family are avid fans.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 22, 2021 12:27:41 GMT
Sounds like the Saudi club are paying his wages until the summer of 2022 on a long-term loan that is effectively a transfer, but we've retained his registration, so have agreed a deal where we would get at least a percentage of any fee should he leave the Saudi club, which he is presumably angling for due to the prospect of playing in front of 50 people and 3 camels in the Saudi second division? But as a minimum we don't have to worry about paying his wages ever again, and any additional fee would be a bonus. Or he could come back to the Bet and play with Vokes and another couple of donkeys 🤣
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Post by thehoof on May 22, 2021 13:48:33 GMT
The club has a history of opaque dealings it’s so consistent it can’t be because of every other club. They are avidly against meaningful fan representation and involvement. It’s their train set and they’ll play with it however they like. If you’re ok with that, that’s up to you but there are alternatives that have significant backing ie the German model. I think we are very fortunate having the Coates family to back the club, and as things stand now the best solution we could have in my opinion. On the other hand I really support the German model where the fans have 51% of the shares, if I have understood this correctly, as I think all football clubs are just as much about the fans as anything else. If you take away the fans what's really left in the game? Such a model ensures that history is preserved and the best interest of the club and football come first! The German model is 51% fan ownership I believe. Some basic maths here- does the Coates family currently have loans into the club of some £180m- as they are wanted to give up 51% of their shareholding’s, would they not want at least 51% of their loan debt repaid via the proceeds of such a share issue- or would they like 51% of their loans transferred to the new shareholders- presumably at zero interest repayment terms and with a set date for repayment. Say a maximum of 30000 “new” shareholders - that’s £3,000 of debt per shareholder? Our fans would say, yes no problem? However we look at it, there would be a genuine cost of moving to such a model and if it ever comes about, there would have to be some guarantees from the fans as to how much they would be prepared to contribute?
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Post by march4 on May 22, 2021 14:27:00 GMT
I think we are very fortunate having the Coates family to back the club, and as things stand now the best solution we could have in my opinion. On the other hand I really support the German model where the fans have 51% of the shares, if I have understood this correctly, as I think all football clubs are just as much about the fans as anything else. If you take away the fans what's really left in the game? Such a model ensures that history is preserved and the best interest of the club and football come first! The German model is 51% fan ownership I believe. Some basic maths here- does the Coates family currently have loans into the club of some £180m- as they are wanted to give up 51% of their shareholding’s, would they not want at least 51% of their loan debt repaid via the proceeds of such a share issue- or would they like 51% of their loans transferred to the new shareholders- presumably at zero interest repayment terms and with a set date for repayment. Say a maximum of 30000 “new” shareholders - that’s £3,000 of debt per shareholder? Our fans would say, yes no problem? However we look at it, there would be a genuine cost of moving to such a model and if it ever comes about, there would have to be some guarantees from the fans as to how much they would be prepared to contribute? We are effectively 100% fan ownership. Thank God for the Coates family.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 22, 2021 15:36:10 GMT
I think we are very fortunate having the Coates family to back the club, and as things stand now the best solution we could have in my opinion. On the other hand I really support the German model where the fans have 51% of the shares, if I have understood this correctly, as I think all football clubs are just as much about the fans as anything else. If you take away the fans what's really left in the game? Such a model ensures that history is preserved and the best interest of the club and football come first! The German model is 51% fan ownership I believe. Some basic maths here- does the Coates family currently have loans into the club of some £180m- as they are wanted to give up 51% of their shareholding’s, would they not want at least 51% of their loan debt repaid via the proceeds of such a share issue- or would they like 51% of their loans transferred to the new shareholders- presumably at zero interest repayment terms and with a set date for repayment. Say a maximum of 30000 “new” shareholders - that’s £3,000 of debt per shareholder? Our fans would say, yes no problem? However we look at it, there would be a genuine cost of moving to such a model and if it ever comes about, there would have to be some guarantees from the fans as to how much they would be prepared to contribute? ...it sounds like a hell of a burden on the shoulders of the supporters, but they seem to get it right in Germany one way or another!?
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Post by thehoof on May 22, 2021 17:56:58 GMT
The German model is 51% fan ownership I believe. Some basic maths here- does the Coates family currently have loans into the club of some £180m- as they are wanted to give up 51% of their shareholding’s, would they not want at least 51% of their loan debt repaid via the proceeds of such a share issue- or would they like 51% of their loans transferred to the new shareholders- presumably at zero interest repayment terms and with a set date for repayment. Say a maximum of 30000 “new” shareholders - that’s £3,000 of debt per shareholder? Our fans would say, yes no problem? However we look at it, there would be a genuine cost of moving to such a model and if it ever comes about, there would have to be some guarantees from the fans as to how much they would be prepared to contribute? ...it sounds like a hell of a burden on the shoulders of the supporters, but they seem to get it right in Germany one way or another!? They do- I don’t know how it originally came about; I don’t know how you introduce it into already well established clubs and as March says, the Coates family are clearly fans; occasionally they go off down the wrong route as they have done with 3 of the last 4 managerial appointments and in allowing such ridiculous long term contracts to be handed out; still I dread to think where we’d be without them!👍
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Post by march4 on May 22, 2021 18:17:52 GMT
...it sounds like a hell of a burden on the shoulders of the supporters, but they seem to get it right in Germany one way or another!? They do- I don’t know how it originally came about; I don’t know how you introduce it into already well established clubs and as March says, the Coates family are clearly fans; occasionally they go off down the wrong route as they have done with 3 of the last 4 managerial appointments and in allowing such ridiculous long term contracts to be handed out; still I dread to think where we’d be without them!👍 Excellent post.
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Post by bgreen13 on May 22, 2021 22:36:45 GMT
I mean stokes midfield has been crying out for a Lazy mercenary for a couple of years now...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 8:54:18 GMT
If Badou is someone who just wants the money and isn't too fussed about the football , then that's what he is .
The attitude of players like Badou , makes me wonder why clubs don't make more of an effort to scout the lower leagues for players of talent
Some good players have come from there , including Jamie vardy ( Sheffield steels / Fleetwood town) , Ian Wright ( Greenwich Boro) and Stuart Pearce ( Harrow and wealdstone )
Stuart Pearce , played an astonishing 176 times for Harrow and wealdstone ( this is in North London , not the outer Hebrides ) before someone twigged he's a good player and signed him professionally .
It's bizarre that an English full back , With a sublime left foot , who let's nobody past him and can run up and down the pitch all day , can play 176 games in London , with nobody noticing , yet players are signed from Senegal and Lithuania , with half the talent , for the premier League .
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2021 6:38:02 GMT
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Post by clarkeda on May 30, 2021 7:02:55 GMT
What a waste. Under NJ he was head an shoulders our most talented player.
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