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Post by mamasgloves on Aug 7, 2020 9:15:54 GMT
I'm leaning towards mercenary. I see what others are saying that we don't know what our position is and whether we're trying to sell him although we have seen with Imbula we are willing to be creative to end contracts. He is one of the players that has ability but didn't want to role his sleeves up. We then have someone who might be looking to sit on this contract as a bargaining tool rather than leaving Stoke and take the terms a Turkish club will give him and make a play in European football. From the outside it could be argued it's all on his terms and heavily led by money. He did roll his sleeves up whenever he played though? Are you telling me that if you got a fixed term contract with a company for £50k/year but they didn't want you any more and were pushing you to another company paying £20k/year you'd jump at the chance?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 7, 2020 13:00:42 GMT
If this is right I think we make a big mistake to put a purchase option as high as 7M Euros, if we put it as low as around 2.5M Euros they might even buy him. If the quoted 7M Euros is right there is no chance at all they'll buy him! Could it be something to do with ffp regs? If we sell him on the cheap I think it will go down as a loss. Seems a bit high anyway I think. He was bought for £14M, if I remember it correctly, on a four and a half year deal. Which means an amount of around £3M should make us break even after next season. We might get £3M for him, but there's no chance in hell we'll get close to £7M for him from a Turkish club.
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Post by snoogle on Aug 7, 2020 15:40:27 GMT
Good fcuk the mercenary twonk off! 👊🏻💦
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Post by peterpan1 on Aug 7, 2020 15:47:42 GMT
Wouldn't mind playing in Istanbul myself, and certainly wouldn't mind playing in this stadium: Went their old stadium when we played them, great atmosphere. Wouldn't mind ticking this one off either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 15:53:03 GMT
Wouldn't mind playing in Istanbul myself, and certainly wouldn't mind playing in this stadium: Went their old stadium when we played them, great atmosphere. Wouldn't mind ticking this one off either. There are some stunning photos on Google Maps: tinyurl.com/yxo9ldrz
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 8, 2020 8:00:54 GMT
I'm leaning towards mercenary. I see what others are saying that we don't know what our position is and whether we're trying to sell him although we have seen with Imbula we are willing to be creative to end contracts. He is one of the players that has ability but didn't want to role his sleeves up. We then have someone who might be looking to sit on this contract as a bargaining tool rather than leaving Stoke and take the terms a Turkish club will give him and make a play in European football. From the outside it could be argued it's all on his terms and heavily led by money. He did roll his sleeves up whenever he played though? Are you telling me that if you got a fixed term contract with a company for £50k/year but they didn't want you any more and were pushing you to another company paying £20k/year you'd jump at the chance? I’d argue his performances in the Premier League showed more application than his ones in the Championship. There are advantages he would gain from accepting a contract elsewhere. Including setting up home, integrating himself more into a squad but he, as you put forward yourself is putting money ahead of other decisions which is the definition of a mercenary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 8:09:59 GMT
He did roll his sleeves up whenever he played though? Are you telling me that if you got a fixed term contract with a company for £50k/year but they didn't want you any more and were pushing you to another company paying £20k/year you'd jump at the chance? I’d argue his performances in the Premier League showed more application than his ones in the Championship. There are advantages he would gain from accepting a contract elsewhere. Including setting up home, integrating himself more into a squad but he, as you put forward yourself is putting money ahead of other decisions which is the definition of a mercenary. He was pathetic at Cardiff under O’Neill, pretty sure the manager saw enough that night.....
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 8, 2020 8:21:00 GMT
Wouldn't mind playing in Istanbul myself, and certainly wouldn't mind playing in this stadium: Went their old stadium when we played them, great atmosphere. Wouldn't mind ticking this one off either. Funny how they can afford a stadium like that and yet not be able to pay decent transfer fees.
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Post by neddy on Aug 8, 2020 8:28:32 GMT
If he’s going I just hope he does quickly so we can move on!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2020 20:57:33 GMT
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 10, 2020 21:11:22 GMT
Fuck him off if hes doesn't want to give a minimum of 100% every game and if no one wants him make him turn up and train with the U23's if he refuses fine him until he does. Twats like this are the reason we're in the shit we are. Gouranga.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 11, 2020 10:02:34 GMT
I’d argue his performances in the Premier League showed more application than his ones in the Championship. There are advantages he would gain from accepting a contract elsewhere. Including setting up home, integrating himself more into a squad but he, as you put forward yourself is putting money ahead of other decisions which is the definition of a mercenary. He was pathetic at Cardiff under O’Neill, pretty sure the manager saw enough that night..... If Mad Nath was capable of bringing him back into the team and not only getting him playing well, but also leading a giant on-pitch display of warmth towards the manager, then surely MON's man-management skills can achieve something similar. Badou may well have been disillusioned with NJ's departure, then MON comes in with a no-nonsense attitude and he goes back to getting the hump again. Badou just needs an arm around him. And you can argue he's paid thousands a week to do what he's contracted to do, but if a little massaging if the ego manages to bring out the best in him then Badou is arguably the best box-to-box / defensive midfield player in the Championship.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 11, 2020 10:24:13 GMT
He was pathetic at Cardiff under O’Neill, pretty sure the manager saw enough that night..... If Mad Nath was capable of bringing him back into the team and not only getting him playing well, but also leading a giant on-pitch display of warmth towards the manager, then surely MON's man-management skills can achieve something similar. Badou may well have been disillusioned with NJ's departure, then MON comes in with a no-nonsense attitude and he goes back to getting the hump again. Badou just needs an arm around him. And you can argue he's paid thousands a week to do what he's contracted to do, but if a little massaging if the ego manages to bring out the best in him then Badou is arguably the best box-to-box / defensive midfield player in the Championship. in order to do well you need unity You need everyone from the tea lady to the CEO all pulling together in the same direction. Leeds, Liverpool, Sheffield Utd all do so well because of this. If a player be it Badou, Etebo, Wimmer or Bauer (or even Jack) doesn’t want to play for us then we need to get rid. The best example I can give is Ferguson, he would regularly break up his squad and replace them with hungry players that would die in a ditch for him
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 11, 2020 10:37:28 GMT
He was pathetic at Cardiff under O’Neill, pretty sure the manager saw enough that night..... If Mad Nath was capable of bringing him back into the team and not only getting him playing well, but also leading a giant on-pitch display of warmth towards the manager, then surely MON's man-management skills can achieve something similar. Badou may well have been disillusioned with NJ's departure, then MON comes in with a no-nonsense attitude and he goes back to getting the hump again. Badou just needs an arm around him. And you can argue he's paid thousands a week to do what he's contracted to do, but if a little massaging if the ego manages to bring out the best in him then Badou is arguably the best box-to-box / defensive midfield player in the Championship. I think I'm maybe a little more pessimistic on where we currently stand as a team. I feel we've had a number of managers try to patch things over but really we need a reboot. It could be said that many of our out of form players need an arm round them. They've all had many chances to show who they are and I think the door is the best solution even if it means taking a huge financial hit. The alternative is we give these people another chance and they decide not to bother. We have Clucas as a box-to-box player, he may not have the raw quality of Badou but I know come January he won't be asking to go to Turkey because he didn't like something a manager has said to him or because he thinks he can get a better deal.
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Post by mamasgloves on Aug 11, 2020 10:58:25 GMT
I’d argue his performances in the Premier League showed more application than his ones in the Championship. There are advantages he would gain from accepting a contract elsewhere. Including setting up home, integrating himself more into a squad but he, as you put forward yourself is putting money ahead of other decisions which is the definition of a mercenary. He was pathetic at Cardiff under O’Neill, pretty sure the manager saw enough that night..... Hung out to dry as a No.10 but still managed most dribbles and was second best tackler. Was just made the scapegoat again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 15:15:06 GMT
If Mad Nath was capable of bringing him back into the team and not only getting him playing well, but also leading a giant on-pitch display of warmth towards the manager, then surely MON's man-management skills can achieve something similar. Badou may well have been disillusioned with NJ's departure, then MON comes in with a no-nonsense attitude and he goes back to getting the hump again. Badou just needs an arm around him. And you can argue he's paid thousands a week to do what he's contracted to do, but if a little massaging if the ego manages to bring out the best in him then Badou is arguably the best box-to-box / defensive midfield player in the Championship. I think I'm maybe a little more pessimistic on where we currently stand as a team. I feel we've had a number of managers try to patch things over but really we need a reboot. It could be said that many of our out of form players need an arm round them. They've all had many chances to show who they are and I think the door is the best solution even if it means taking a huge financial hit. The alternative is we give these people another chance and they decide not to bother. We have Clucas as a box-to-box player, he may not have the raw quality of Badou but I know come January he won't be asking to go to Turkey because he didn't like something a manager has said to him or because he thinks he can get a better deal. No, Clucas won't go to Turkey, but he would go anywhere else where a better deal is on offer, even if it's PL's bottom club. He has no affinity with the club or the supporters, whom he has mocked on more than one occasion. The situation with Badou is different. For another two years he is financially tied to us. You can't just show him the door as if he was a schoolboy, when the club is contractually obliged to pay him his wages for the length of his contract. Apparently he has promises from yet another Turkish club, but just how much or how little they are expecting to pay for his services could yet mean another drawn out saga, which if it doesn't work out could yet see him in ST4. Then what?
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 11, 2020 15:33:26 GMT
Of course they won't pay for him, why would they?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 15, 2020 18:41:26 GMT
Beşiktaş made an official offer to Stoke City to rent Badou Ndiaye.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 16, 2020 10:41:56 GMT
turkish clubs by now know what Badou is all about he as done well there while on loan winning trophies were he as been so i would loan him to Besiktas on the understanding that after say 15 games played for them they have to buy,
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2020 10:45:32 GMT
Talk of another famed Turkish option to buy. But at least 2m seems affordable. And shifting his wages will be probably all we can hope for?
It is understood in the last meeting between the club, the 29 year old will be transferred to Besiktas with a 2m euro purchase option
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:49:56 GMT
2m is obscene.
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Post by macarisredarmy on Aug 16, 2020 10:53:20 GMT
I pray to God the days of wasting money on absolute pi$$takers are gone. 2m is obscene, our business in past years is shocking.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 16, 2020 10:55:08 GMT
Can't understand why we can't get rid of somebody with his attributes - Wilmer, Yes, but not him - we are feckin useless in the transfer market at both buying/selling
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 16, 2020 11:33:18 GMT
It is but if it gets his wages off the bill once and for all, I can understand why the club would take it. Easy to concentrate on the fees we paid for a player and forget that their wages over the life of their contract can cost even more.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 16, 2020 11:33:40 GMT
Can't understand why we can't get rid of somebody with his attributes - Wilmer, Yes, but not him - we are feckin useless in the transfer market at both buying/selling Says more about the player in question than it does us as a club..... He either prefers it in a warmer climate Turkey than he does in a freezing winter England, or he needs a better agent!!! We desperately need shot of this player now, and Turkish clubs don't have the money to throw around like the Premier league.....i expect it's a case of "take the money and run" now if we can get him off the books permanently!!!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 16, 2020 11:39:31 GMT
I pray to God the days of wasting money on absolute pi$$takers are gone. 2m is obscene, our business in past years is shocking. Nothing wrong with the process
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 16, 2020 11:40:38 GMT
Beşiktaş made an official offer to Stoke City to rent Badou Ndiaye. He needs to stop been a rent boy and move on.
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Post by bolders on Aug 16, 2020 12:38:00 GMT
2mil in Euros is taking nearly a 4mil loss on him at this time can we afford to take that hit if we dont sell anyone for a profit ie Butland
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2020 13:21:18 GMT
Can't understand why we can't get rid of somebody with his attributes - Wilmer, Yes, but not him - we are feckin useless in the transfer market at both buying/selling Maybe he’s just being a difficult bollocks, likes the lifestyle in Turkey and wants to stay there, if that’s the case it makes it very difficult for the Club and he’s just a knob!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 16, 2020 13:26:56 GMT
I think it's the only way to go unfortunately. His wages off the payroll and a small fee in addition is probably the best we can hope for in our position.
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