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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 7:20:40 GMT
How terrible that 'ordinary guy' Big Nige has to have an ordinary bank account, rather than one for the very wealthy. They'll be crying into their pints watching the poor bloke on Thursday night. I won’t be, he’ll be as brash and bullish as ever. The finest politician in my lifetime and a cracking chat show host to boot. We’d be a lot better off if Big Nige was in charge of this country right now whatever your political persuasion. He is a terrible politician! 7 times he has failed to get elected. Politicians have to have support of the people they represent. It is politics 101. Farage never has. He is just another establishment arrogant millionaire toff like Cameron, Sunak, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 5, 2023 7:21:51 GMT
Has he been mentioning his 'great guy' mate Don from over the pond much lately?
Probably only ever angling to bugger off over there anyway to be fair.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 5, 2023 7:22:57 GMT
How terrible that 'ordinary guy' Big Nige has to have an ordinary bank account, rather than one for the very wealthy. They'll be crying into their pints watching the poor bloke on Thursday night. I won’t be, he’ll be as brash and bullish as ever. The finest politician in my lifetime and a cracking chat show host to boot. We’d be a lot better off if Big Nige was in charge of this country right now whatever your political persuasion. He's a very good protestor. In terms of his acumen as a politician, he's never had to turn his protests into any tangible action so it's difficult to know if he is a good politician or not.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 5, 2023 7:27:56 GMT
He'll hopefully be in jail soon for laundering Russian money.
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2023 7:28:18 GMT
He's a shameless, classless prick. Second only to Boris. Both would sell their own mothers for a moment in the limelight.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 8:53:14 GMT
I won’t be, he’ll be as brash and bullish as ever. The finest politician in my lifetime and a cracking chat show host to boot. We’d be a lot better off if Big Nige was in charge of this country right now whatever your political persuasion. He is a terrible politician! 7 times he has failed to get elected. Politicians have to have support of the people they represent. It is politics 101. Farage never has. He is just another establishment arrogant millionaire toff like Cameron, Sunak, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. He was an elected Member of the European Parliament
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Post by Davef on Jul 5, 2023 9:06:16 GMT
He is a terrible politician! 7 times he has failed to get elected. Politicians have to have support of the people they represent. It is politics 101. Farage never has. He is just another establishment arrogant millionaire toff like Cameron, Sunak, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. He was an elected Member of the European Parliament It took him five attempts to manage that.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 9:14:09 GMT
He was an elected Member of the European Parliament It took him five attempts to manage that. Not that it mattters....which EU elections did he fail at?....just would like clarification. In any case? No problem with that. Perserverence. It took about 20 years or more to achieve Brexit.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 5, 2023 10:31:03 GMT
Man of the people ...
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Post by felonious on Jul 5, 2023 10:43:11 GMT
He is a terrible politician! 7 times he has failed to get elected. Politicians have to have support of the people they represent. It is politics 101. Farage never has. He is just another establishment arrogant millionaire toff like Cameron, Sunak, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. He was an elected Member of the European Parliament Come on BJR we both know that's a pointless and meaningless position
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 10:50:26 GMT
He was an elected Member of the European Parliament Come on BJR we both know that's a pointless and meaningless position Not at all, I'm sure many of us have been to see our MEP in the olden days. Farage is a great example of the " get the man" approach....of course , in his case, those targeting him will say " justified"
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 5, 2023 11:19:53 GMT
He’d go down on a Romanian trans woman with HIV if he was paid enough.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 12:13:47 GMT
He is a terrible politician! 7 times he has failed to get elected. Politicians have to have support of the people they represent. It is politics 101. Farage never has. He is just another establishment arrogant millionaire toff like Cameron, Sunak, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. He was an elected Member of the European Parliament Yes he was. The irony. The only thing he could get elected to was the one thing he hated more than anything else. Perhaps it is because MEPs must be elected under a proportional representation system and not first past the post. Farage and I agree on very little. Electoral reform is probably the only area of consensus.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 12:26:00 GMT
He was an elected Member of the European Parliament Yes he was. The irony. The only thing he could get elected to was the one thing he hated more than anything else. Perhaps it is because MEPs must be elected under a proportional representation system and not first past the post. Farage and I agree on very little. Electoral reform is probably the only area of consensus. Yes it's strange that isn't it.....if the British people truly related to the EU he should not have stood a chance. My guess is that on Electoral Reform , if he had the chance, he would more likely deliver unlike the play it safe, Party conformist MPs.....I think reform of the House of Lords has been in Labour's manifesto forever...but I doubt they intend to deliver.
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2023 13:00:42 GMT
He’d go down on a Romanian trans woman with HIV if he was paid enough. Badger would do it for free, so probably not the best example to use. Edit: Apparently a Romanian trans woman has just brought a pub in Stoke.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 5, 2023 13:04:05 GMT
He’d go down on a Romanian trans woman with HIV if he was paid enough. Badger would do it for free, so probably not the best example to use. Edit: Apparently a Romanian trans woman has just brought a pub in Stoke. Another one for Wilko to chat up
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2023 13:08:16 GMT
He’d go down on a Romanian trans woman with HIV if he was paid enough. Badger would do it for free, so probably not the best example to use. Edit: Apparently a Romanian trans woman has just brought a pub in Stoke. Stop distracting me I’m trying to work!
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2023 13:15:30 GMT
Badger would do it for free, so probably not the best example to use. Edit: Apparently a Romanian trans woman has just brought a pub in Stoke. Stop distracting me I’m trying to work! We all know you've just gone home for a lunch break
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 13:36:16 GMT
Yes he was. The irony. The only thing he could get elected to was the one thing he hated more than anything else. Perhaps it is because MEPs must be elected under a proportional representation system and not first past the post. Farage and I agree on very little. Electoral reform is probably the only area of consensus. Yes it's strange that isn't it.....if the British people truly related to the EU he should not have stood a chance. My guess is that on Electoral Reform , if he had the chance, he would more likely deliver unlike the play it safe, Party conformist MPs.....I think reform of the House of Lords has been in Labour's manifesto forever...but I doubt they intend to deliver. On your first point, you could equally argue that if the public really wanted brexit, the lib dems would have never done so well in EU elections.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 14:01:49 GMT
Yes it's strange that isn't it.....if the British people truly related to the EU he should not have stood a chance. My guess is that on Electoral Reform , if he had the chance, he would more likely deliver unlike the play it safe, Party conformist MPs.....I think reform of the House of Lords has been in Labour's manifesto forever...but I doubt they intend to deliver. On your first point, you could equally argue that if the public really wanted brexit, the lib dems would have never done so well in EU elections. Not really, UKIP was a one issue party....people knew what they were voting for. I think Jo and the Lib-antiDems had theiir answer in the " Bollocks to Brexit" election..I supposevyou could argue that if the public really wanted to be in the EU they would have had a resounding victory in that election.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 5, 2023 14:10:10 GMT
On your first point, you could equally argue that if the public really wanted brexit, the lib dems would have never done so well in EU elections. Not really, UKIP was a one issue party....people knew what they were voting for. I think Jo and the Lib-antiDems had theiir answer in the " Bollocks to Brexit" election..I supposevyou could argue that if the public really wanted to be in the EU they would have had a resounding victory in that election. You could argue that. You could also argue that if the public had not been systematically lied to (and I accept that the Remain campaign was pitiful) by people like the wretched Farage and the amoral PM before the one before the current one (who themselves are very nicely insulated from the impact of leaving), they might’ve voted differently.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 14:11:14 GMT
On your first point, you could equally argue that if the public really wanted brexit, the lib dems would have never done so well in EU elections. Not really, UKIP was a one issue party....people knew what they were voting for. I think Jo and the Lib-antiDems had theiir answer in the " Bollocks to Brexit" election..I supposevyou could argue that if the public really wanted to be in the EU they would have had a resounding victory in that election. The election when everyone voted for Johnson’s 3 word slogan “get brexit done” and his “oven ready deal” which is so bad it is still yet to be fully implemented? The election which gave Johnson a big majority, which is now going to be decimated as he and the other big hitters from vote leave were put in charge of implementing brexit and in doing so they failed utterly, proving the remainers to be completely right, and they have now all been forced from their jobs with their reputations utterly destroyed and the tory party in utter crisis as brexit has unravelled. You mean that election? It has gone so well. Still waiting for a tangible brexit benefit to be named.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 14:21:37 GMT
Not really, UKIP was a one issue party....people knew what they were voting for. I think Jo and the Lib-antiDems had theiir answer in the " Bollocks to Brexit" election..I supposevyou could argue that if the public really wanted to be in the EU they would have had a resounding victory in that election. You could argue that. You could also argue that if the public had not been systematically lied to (and I accept that the Remain campaign was pitiful) by people like the wretched Farage and the amoral PM before the one before the current one (who themselves are very nicely insulated from the impact of leaving), they might’ve voted differently. Aye we' ve had that argument many times from both sides. You could argue that the British people actually don't want to relate to Brussels, the Court of Justice ,EU parliament irrespective of what politicians are telling them...the three main parties were anti Brexit. It is posdible not to want to be part of the EU....I think the thick, gullible racist Corbyn took that stance
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 14:24:59 GMT
Not really, UKIP was a one issue party....people knew what they were voting for. I think Jo and the Lib-antiDems had theiir answer in the " Bollocks to Brexit" election..I supposevyou could argue that if the public really wanted to be in the EU they would have had a resounding victory in that election. The election when everyone voted for Johnson’s 3 word slogan “get brexit done” and his “oven ready deal” which is so bad it is still yet to be fully implemented? The election which gave Johnson a big majority, which is now going to be decimated as he and the other big hitters from vote leave were put in charge of implementing brexit and in doing so they failed utterly, proving the remainers to be completely right, and they have now all been forced from their jobs with their reputations utterly destroyed and the tory party in utter crisis as brexit has unravelled. You mean that election? It has gone so well. Still waiting for a tangible brexit benefit to be named. It is this government that you are criticising, not Brexit....and I would not count your chickens just yet. Anyway I must leave you to the " I told you so" threadsss/ not really that productive.
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Post by felonious on Jul 5, 2023 14:39:04 GMT
Come on BJR we both know that's a pointless and meaningless position Not at all, I'm sure many of us have been to see our MEP in the olden days. Farage is a great example of the " get the man" approach....of course , in his case, those targeting him will say " justified" Are you saying you actually got to see your MEP? You must be the only one in the UK apart from Oggy who married his MEP
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 14:55:10 GMT
The election when everyone voted for Johnson’s 3 word slogan “get brexit done” and his “oven ready deal” which is so bad it is still yet to be fully implemented? The election which gave Johnson a big majority, which is now going to be decimated as he and the other big hitters from vote leave were put in charge of implementing brexit and in doing so they failed utterly, proving the remainers to be completely right, and they have now all been forced from their jobs with their reputations utterly destroyed and the tory party in utter crisis as brexit has unravelled. You mean that election? It has gone so well. Still waiting for a tangible brexit benefit to be named. It is this government that you are criticising, not Brexit....and I would not count your chickens just yet. Anyway I must leave you to the " I told you so" threadsss/ not really that productive. Vote leave HQ was the government who got elected in 2019. Lee Cain, Dom Cummings, Johnson, Gove, Sunak, Raab etc. But keep telling yourself it isn’t Brexit that was the problem, just the people implementing it (who were the same people who sold it to you, lies and all). You still cannot name one tangible positive of brexit.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 14:56:53 GMT
Not at all, I'm sure many of us have been to see our MEP in the olden days. Farage is a great example of the " get the man" approach....of course , in his case, those targeting him will say " justified" Are you saying you actually got to see your MEP? You must be the only one in the UK apart from Oggy who married his MEP Can you name a tangible positive of Brexit? Or do you only send attempted insults?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 15:20:11 GMT
It is this government that you are criticising, not Brexit....and I would not count your chickens just yet. Anyway I must leave you to the " I told you so" threadsss/ not really that productive. Vote leave HQ was the government who got elected in 2019. Lee Cain, Dom Cummings, Johnson, Gove, Sunak, Raab etc. But keep telling yourself it isn’t Brexit that was the problem, just the people implementing it (who were the same people who sold it to you, lies and all). You still cannot name one tangible positive of brexit. The question asked was " do we want to be in the EU". It is possible to want to not be in. What happens after leaving is down to current goverments , including the EU. Whilst we were in the EU there was very little knowledge, understanding or debate on what was going on in the EU by the UK population....leave it to them. [ For example have a look at the CRITICISMS of the Common Agricultural Policy on this link, only Wikipedia, but all referenced..quite a list .designed to protect the French and landowners like Heseltine...NEVER popularly debated or raised in this country...but our MPs were in collusion with it en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyYour criticism is largely aimed at the current government ( and actually the EU...if it were JUST a trading block things could have been different BUT it clearly states itself it is about Political and Economic union...I don't want that. Anyway I must not get drawn in and allow you to say" I told you so" ad infinitum....but surely some party should advocate joining lock , stock and barrel at the next election....The Maastrict treaty/ political and economic union. Why not?....it is the answer to all our problems.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2023 15:57:35 GMT
Vote leave HQ was the government who got elected in 2019. Lee Cain, Dom Cummings, Johnson, Gove, Sunak, Raab etc. But keep telling yourself it isn’t Brexit that was the problem, just the people implementing it (who were the same people who sold it to you, lies and all). You still cannot name one tangible positive of brexit. The question asked was " do we want to be in the EU". It is possible to want to not be in. What happens after leaving is down to current goverments , including the EU. Whilst we were in the EU there was very little knowledge, understanding or debate on what was going on in the EU by the UK population....leave it to them. [ For example have a look at the CRITICISMS of the Common Agricultural Policy on this link, only Wikipedia, but all referenced..quite a list .designed to protect the French and landowners like Heseltine...NEVER popularly debated or raised in this country...but our MPs were in collusion with it en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyYour criticism is largely aimed at the current government ( and actually the EU...if it were JUST a trading block things could have been different BUT it clearly states itself it is about Political and Economic union...I don't want that. Anyway I must not get drawn in and allow you to say" I told you so" ad infinitum....but surely some party should advocate joining lock , stock and barrel at the next election....The Maastrict treaty/ political and economic union. Why not?....it is the answer to all our problems. I know there was very little knowledge, understanding or debate on what was going on in the EU by the UK population! That’s why 52% who voted, voted to leave. They never should have been asked the question when they didn’t know what they were doing!? The more educated tended to vote remain. I wonder why? Perhaps because they had more knowledge, understanding and had been more likely to have debated what was going on in the EU than the average person in the UK. And by the way, farmers hate brexit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2023 16:06:51 GMT
The question asked was " do we want to be in the EU". It is possible to want to not be in. What happens after leaving is down to current goverments , including the EU. Whilst we were in the EU there was very little knowledge, understanding or debate on what was going on in the EU by the UK population....leave it to them. [ For example have a look at the CRITICISMS of the Common Agricultural Policy on this link, only Wikipedia, but all referenced..quite a list .designed to protect the French and landowners like Heseltine...NEVER popularly debated or raised in this country...but our MPs were in collusion with it en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyYour criticism is largely aimed at the current government ( and actually the EU...if it were JUST a trading block things could have been different BUT it clearly states itself it is about Political and Economic union...I don't want that. Anyway I must not get drawn in and allow you to say" I told you so" ad infinitum....but surely some party should advocate joining lock , stock and barrel at the next election....The Maastrict treaty/ political and economic union. Why not?....it is the answer to all our problems. I know there was very little knowledge, understanding or debate on what was going on in the EU by the UK population! That’s why 52% who voted, voted to leave. They never should have been asked the question when they didn’t know what they were doing!? The more educated tended to vote remain. I wonder why? Perhaps because they had more knowledge, understanding and had been more likely to have debated what was going on in the EU than the average person in the UK. And by the way, farmers hate brexit. Perhaps we shoild have been given more knowledge before the vote to actually join. It is the current UK eurofanatics who want to disregard the nature of the EU...political and economic union. Tge public should not be asked anything...leave it to "them" whoever they are, everything was going smoothly then. Actually I do believe the orfinary voter understood the issue better than you do " Do you want to be part of the European Union" I wonder if the 3 major parties will welcome the votes of the thick , gullible racists at the next election...or do they cease to be that when they return to the Labour fold or take a chance on the Lib Dems?
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