|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 21:32:03 GMT
And not Liverpool. After watching the CL final. When I watch games like this with all the Londoners and Irish and various nationalities celebrating the mighty reds on Facebook after the game I’m mighty grateful that my dad took me to see my local club when I was 5. Stoke might not be that great at the moment and be a yo-yo club but I’d never want to support anyone else. Lots of highs and lows and the feeling that they’re your club and not someone you support because they’re a big club who you chose to “support” because the were winning titles when you were a kid. You will never get that passion and pride unless you support your local or hometown club.
|
|
|
Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 1, 2019 21:34:15 GMT
I am an Egyptian here I am kidding, i understand your point of view but when Stoke City becomes a champion of Premier league or Champions league they will have much bigger fan base, much more revenue, much better players ... etc.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 21:42:46 GMT
I am an Egyptian here I am kidding, i understand your point of view but when Stoke City becomes a champion of Premier league or Champions league they will have much bigger fan base, much more revenue, much better players ... etc. But that will make no difference to me as you know you support them for the right reason and not just because they’re successful.
|
|
|
Post by mosquito on Jun 1, 2019 21:45:46 GMT
After 55 years of supporting the mighty potters. It definitely isn’t for the faint hearted or weak willed. But I wouldn’t support any other team.
|
|
|
Post by innocentbystander on Jun 1, 2019 21:48:36 GMT
I am an Egyptian here I am kidding, i understand your point of view but when Stoke City becomes a champion of Premier league or Champions league they will have much bigger fan base, much more revenue, much better players ... etc. Am I right that you support Al Ahly in Egypt? Are they local to you? Are they the glory-hunters team there? Do people support them all over the country because they're repeatedly successful? I'm not questioning you Doc, I'm genuinely interested in how football cultures vary across the globe and how the English Premiership distorts everything - you seemed quite excited when Sobhi (your best player?) left you for the Premiership. I've made several trips to Africa, it's disappointing to find so little interest in domestic leagues - not so much in Egypt but in Senegal, Mali and CDI.
|
|
|
Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 1, 2019 21:49:21 GMT
I am an Egyptian here I am kidding, i understand your point of view but when Stoke City becomes a champion of Premier league or Champions league they will have much bigger fan base, much more revenue, much better players ... etc. But that will make no difference to me as you know you support them for the right reason and not just because they’re successful. Why do you compare yourself with an Irish who supports Liverpool? , compare yourself with a scouser who supports Liverpool.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 21:53:44 GMT
But that will make no difference to me as you know you support them for the right reason and not just because they’re successful. Why do you compare yourself with an Irish who supports Liverpool? , compare yourself with a scouser who supports Liverpool. Which is my point. No issue with a Liverpudlian supporting Liverpool. It’s all the free loaders who support them just so they can gloat.
|
|
|
Post by BuzzB on Jun 1, 2019 21:55:35 GMT
And not Liverpool. After watching the CL final. When I watch games like this with all the Londoners and Irish and various nationalities celebrating the mighty reds on Facebook after the game I’m mighty grateful that my dad took me to see my local club when I was 5. Stoke might not be that great at the moment and be a yo-yo club but I’d never want to support anyone else. Lots of highs and lows and the feeling that they’re your club and not someone you support because they’re a big club who you chose to “support” because the were winning titles when you were a kid. You will never get that passion and pride unless you support your local or hometown club. Couldn't agree more Cobs. Just looked on maladys Faceache, so many people I know posting as "fans". The pride we felt in 72, Autoglass's, Millenium and 2011 were rare special feelings.
|
|
|
Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 1, 2019 21:59:20 GMT
I am an Egyptian here I am kidding, i understand your point of view but when Stoke City becomes a champion of Premier league or Champions league they will have much bigger fan base, much more revenue, much better players ... etc. Am I right that you support Al Ahly in Egypt? Are they local to you? Are they the glory-hunters team there? Do people support them all over the country because they're repeatedly successful? I'm not questioning you Doc, I'm genuinely interested in how football cultures vary across the globe and how the English Premiership distorts everything - you seemed quite excited when Sobhi (your best player?) left you for the Premiership. I've made several trips to Africa, it's disappointing to find so little interest in domestic leagues - not so much in Egypt but in Senegal, Mali and CDI. Local football in Egypt has very high support nearly all Egyptians watch the Egyptian league not like any other African country, Egyptian clubs are a bit rich they keep the good players and prevent them from travelling to Europe while other African clubs invest in the players to sell them. - Yes I support Al Ahly. - Yes I am based in Cairo and Al Ahly is based in Cairo too - Yes Al Ahly dominates Egypt and Africa too - Al Ahly is one of the oldest teams in Egypt, it was the club where Egyptians gather to organize their demonstrations (we were colonized by Britain at this time), most of the Egyptian league clubs currently are companies, military, police clubs so it is only 3-4 teams with real fans, Al Ahly is the biggest of them followed by Zamalek. - Sobhi is one of my best players but not the best, he was very promising but he was destroyed at his peak on the bench, i wish he can be as good as what he was when he was 19, any way he is improving again with Al Ahly currently.
|
|
|
Post by innocentbystander on Jun 1, 2019 22:05:23 GMT
Am I right that you support Al Ahly in Egypt? Are they local to you? Are they the glory-hunters team there? Do people support them all over the country because they're repeatedly successful? I'm not questioning you Doc, I'm genuinely interested in how football cultures vary across the globe and how the English Premiership distorts everything - you seemed quite excited when Sobhi (your best player?) left you for the Premiership. I've made several trips to Africa, it's disappointing to find so little interest in domestic leagues - not so much in Egypt but in Senegal, Mali and CDI. Local football in Egypt has very high support nearly all Egyptians watch the Egyptian league not like any other African country, Egyptian clubs are a bit rich they keep the good players and prevent them from travelling to Europe while other African clubs invest in the players to sell them. - Yes I support Al Ahly. - Yes I am based in Cairo and Al Ahly is based in Cairo too - Yes Al Ahly dominates Egypt and Africa too - Al Ahly is one of the oldest teams in Egypt, it was the club where Egyptians gather to organize their demonstrations (we were colonized by Britain at this time), most of the Egyptian league clubs currently are companies, military, police clubs so it is only 3-4 teams with real fans, Al Ahly is the biggest of them followed by Zamalek. - Sobhi is one of my best players but not the best, he was very promising but he was destroyed at his peak on the bench, i wish he can be as good as what he was when he was 19, any way he is improving again with Al Ahly currently. Cheers Doc, nice to hear that Sobhi's back home and returning to form. Don't think he got a fair chance at Stoke and wonder whether he was signed by the manager or someone behind the scenes. I hope you'll keep joining us on here and following Stoke. Do you have any affection for Huddersfield?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 22:10:55 GMT
And not Liverpool. After watching the CL final. When I watch games like this with all the Londoners and Irish and various nationalities celebrating the mighty reds on Facebook after the game I’m mighty grateful that my dad took me to see my local club when I was 5. Stoke might not be that great at the moment and be a yo-yo club but I’d never want to support anyone else. Lots of highs and lows and the feeling that they’re your club and not someone you support because they’re a big club who you chose to “support” because the were winning titles when you were a kid. You will never get that passion and pride unless you support your local or hometown club. yes but a trip to Madrid to watch us win the champions League just once in all these years would have been nice.
|
|
|
Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 1, 2019 22:11:01 GMT
Cheers Doc, nice to hear that Sobhi's back home and returning to form. Don't think he got a fair chance at Stoke and wonder whether he was signed by the manager or someone behind the scenes. I hope you'll keep joining us on here and following Stoke. Do you have any affection for Huddersfield? He is on loan to Al Ahly from Udders, Al Ahly wants to buy him permanently for the same amount of money they got to sell him (5 million $) but they are still in negotiations with Udders. No, i am not a member in any soccer forums except here and another Arabic forum, i am lucky and happy to be here, unfortunately Stoke relegated but certainly they will come back stronger. While browsing Facebook found this article, it may be a good read for you: www.rt.com/sport/460565-mo-salah-recognition-sarah-essam-egypt/Title: 'She deserves same recognition as Salah!' Egypt's 20yo Sarah Essam becomes Stoke City top scorer
|
|
|
Post by melbournestokie21 on Jun 2, 2019 4:15:15 GMT
I think its a good thing to support a shit team.
Idk makes you care about it more, like its a noble act and a kind of personal statement. Along with that its the idendity of it all, working class area. Good honest people much like the footballers we hope to see play for the club.
I think a large part of it is psychological along with ofcourse geographical.
Why do you think you see kids in third world countries run around in barca/manure/madrid/ messi shirts?
Thats why I go for stoke, because its the right thing to do
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Jun 2, 2019 6:34:45 GMT
Cheers Doc, nice to hear that Sobhi's back home and returning to form. Don't think he got a fair chance at Stoke and wonder whether he was signed by the manager or someone behind the scenes. I hope you'll keep joining us on here and following Stoke. Do you have any affection for Huddersfield? He is on loan to Al Ahly from Udders, Al Ahly wants to buy him permanently for the same amount of money they got to sell him (5 million $) but they are still in negotiations with Udders. No, i am not a member in any soccer forums except here and another Arabic forum, i am lucky and happy to be here, unfortunately Stoke relegated but certainly they will come back stronger. While browsing Facebook found this article, it may be a good read for you: www.rt.com/sport/460565-mo-salah-recognition-sarah-essam-egypt/Title: 'She deserves same recognition as Salah!' Egypt's 20yo Sarah Essam becomes Stoke City top scorer You reminded me of one of the great live song intros - Muttley for Sweaty Betty, Live at Leeds: she were a right rum Yorkshire lass, but she liked her udders feeled
|
|
|
Post by bigdave1 on Jun 2, 2019 7:06:51 GMT
But what about all the stoke fans who are not local to stoke. Should we go and support someone else?
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2019 7:19:16 GMT
But what about all the stoke fans who are not local to stoke. Should we go and support someone else? I don’t live in Stoke anymore but it’s in your blood if you’re born there. I can’t see there being many Stoke fans who haven’t got some sort of link to the area unlike your Liverpool and Man Us and soon to be Man City’s. I guess what I’m trying to say is I didn’t like glory hunting.
|
|
|
Post by cerebralstokie on Jun 2, 2019 7:46:21 GMT
I live in Greater Manchester and I often get asked "United or City/". My reply "City …………….STOKE City"
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 7:50:35 GMT
If my team were winning trophies I couldn't care less who tagged along for the ride. On a personal level i'd know I was a Stoke fan from birth and they are my local team and i'd followed them since the dark days. If you are comfortable with that, what else matters?
It's the last stand of fans who know their team probably will never achieve anything. Stuff that, i'd swap it in a heartbeat.
|
|
|
Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 2, 2019 7:55:23 GMT
I’m from Leek originally. Is it ok if I support Stoke? Or should I support Leek Town?
|
|
|
Post by mattyd on Jun 2, 2019 8:00:51 GMT
I think its a good thing to support a shit team. Idk makes you care about it more, like its a noble act and a kind of personal statement. Along with that its the idendity of it all, working class area. Good honest people much like the footballers we hope to see play for the club. I think a large part of it is psychological along with ofcourse geographical. Why do you think you see kids in third world countries run around in barca/manure/madrid/ messi shirts? Thats why I go for stoke, because its the right thing to do I hate the arrogance of the big teams. I was in Manchester last night , and obviously the footy was on, and the usual, what team do you support...This knob said City, yeah, me too...He didn't quite understand the sarcasm that I meant Stoke City.
|
|
|
Post by StaffordPotter on Jun 2, 2019 8:07:34 GMT
But what about all the stoke fans who are not local to stoke. Should we go and support someone else? I might give Stafford Rangers ago then.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2019 8:11:48 GMT
But what about all the stoke fans who are not local to stoke. Should we go and support someone else? I might give Stafford Rangers ago then. They were my second team when I lived in Stafford and Stoke were away. It’s nice to have a first team and a non league club that you can financially support on your doorstep.
|
|
|
Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 2, 2019 9:41:09 GMT
Gloryhunters don't enrage me, but I do think of them in equal terms to a smear of dogshit on my shoe, because that's essentially what they are.
I watched the match in Castle last night. To see so many lads and blokes in Liverpool shirts, but speaking with broad Potteries / North Staffs accents, I just thought "Get a grip and grow up". It's really quite pathetic.
They were celebrating in the streets, bouncing up and down, grabbing each other and singing. I can imagine similar scenes in every town and city across the UK.
It's perverse, to be honest.
|
|
|
Post by Scrotnig on Jun 2, 2019 9:45:45 GMT
Stoke is not a yo yo club.
We were doing well for ages, then we became atrociously poor, and we're still atrociously poor. No yo yo involved, more like low low.
|
|
|
Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 2, 2019 9:47:16 GMT
I’m from Leek originally. Is it ok if I support Stoke? Or should I support Leek Town? Leek Town you gloryhunter 😉
|
|
|
Post by StaffordPotter on Jun 2, 2019 10:19:08 GMT
I might give Stafford Rangers ago then. They were my second team when I lived in Stafford and Stoke were away. It’s nice to have a first team and a non league club that you can financially support on your doorstep. Well said, Stafford Rangers are a club that have always ticked over well and have been well supported over the years. They took thousands to the visits to Wembley in the 1970s.
|
|
|
Post by stiggerstackle on Jun 2, 2019 10:28:32 GMT
I was born in ‘neck end and come from a Stoke supporting family - I had zero choice in the matter from the age of 5 when my dad took me to my first game.
I totally get the OP’s point, but I have nothing but respect for Stoke supporters with no such affinity / hostage situation - we are by and large shit and unfashionable, so hats off to anybody joining the ride through choice!
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 2, 2019 10:38:49 GMT
I was born in ‘neck end and come from a Stoke supporting family - I had zero choice in the matter from the age of 5 when my dad took me to my first game. I totally get the OP’s point, but I have nothing but respect for Stoke supporters with no such affinity / hostage situation - we are by and large shit and unfashionable, so hats off to anybody joining the ride through choice! Couldn’t agree more supporting Liverpool, Man U and the other big clubs is the easy option and gives one the licence to gloat. I guess my bitterness comes from being at School in Stafford surrounded by local kids who would say how crap Stoke were never having been to a Liverpool game. I think there was only about 5 Stokies in the School including our English teacher who would come in grumpy if we’d lost in the weekend. I guess I’ve always liked the underdog which is why I follow the Chargers, pirates and Jazz.
|
|
|
Post by callas12 on Jun 2, 2019 10:47:29 GMT
I totally get your perspective Cobs. The way I view it is if your a Stoke fan & have either lived in an ST postcode or have lived in an ST postcode within your life time you have a right to say you support your local team. I get that families move on and that you could have parents who lived in Staffs and you've grown up being a Stoke fan in a different part of the country or even world but that's a separate case altogether as this doesn't apply in a lot of cases where the big clubs are concerned. Ive often asked the question 'why do you follow Man Utd' to be told "my dads uncles grandad used to be a season ticket holder there"! Really!!
I know that theres quite a high proportion of Sunderland fans who live in North Staffordshire coz of the mining situation so accept in them cases there will be some movement of fans but they can all be traced back to the North East generally through direct family members.
My gripe with a large proportion of Liverpool, Man Utd etc etc supporting folk, especially people I know who say they support these teams is that they have no allegiances or ties to these clubs or areas whatsoever! They've simply chosen their club based on successes & or stature when they've decided to get into football and this where fake fans are spawn.
I reckon theres a large majority of Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal & Chelsea proclaimed followers who have never even visited Merseyside, Manchester and London never mind lived there or got links there. I remember heading to an away game at Goodison a few seasons ago and an Everton fan said you'll always find a parking space on matchdays when playing Everton as opposed to Liverpool as majority of Liverpool fans are out of towners & parking becomes a nightmare!
But then I think are the Liverpool or Man U fans who actually travel up from Devon and London to matches gloryhunters coz at least they make the effort to go to games!
Who knows.. What I do know is that Stoke winning the league cup next season (hyperthetical I know) would mean so much more to genuine Stoke fans than it would to plastic Liverpool fans celebrating the Champions League win last night, or Man City winning another FA cup final!
|
|
|
Post by nott1 on Jun 2, 2019 10:50:44 GMT
Why do you compare yourself with an Irish who supports Liverpool? , compare yourself with a scouser who supports Liverpool. Which is my point. No issue with a Liverpudlian supporting Liverpool. It’s all the free loaders who support them just so they can gloat. They were not gloating when we thrashed them 6-1
|
|