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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 10:56:03 GMT
Apparently as soon as another general election is called, the people of Peterborough will have to vote again! And they call it democracy. Why can't this decision stand for the rest of eternity? So we can whinge and whine for the next four years like the remoaners have for the past three , elections are different than referendums by the way, what was it billed as a once in a lifetime vote we haven't even got off the starting blocks after three years and you call that democracy ? meanwhile in the real world normal people will get on with their lives despite losing out so narrowly in Peterborough. Yeah, knock yourself out. You can start saying that the seat wasn't that important to the Brexit Party anyway, or that Labour only won because of 14-to-a-house Pakistani voters, or that the elected MP is an anti-semite, or start a petition to get her recalled, or that the Tories actually did all right, or that the by-election means Peterborough voted to Leave the EU again, or any other things. Thankfully democracy doesn't just stop at a single point in time and everyone has to shut up and think the same as the majority did on that single day.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 7, 2019 11:07:06 GMT
It's utterly ludicrous that there is any such thing as The Brexit Party. Leave won.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 7, 2019 11:07:17 GMT
So we can whinge and whine for the next four years like the remoaners have for the past three , elections are different than referendums by the way, what was it billed as a once in a lifetime vote we haven't even got off the starting blocks after three years and you call that democracy ? meanwhile in the real world normal people will get on with their lives despite losing out so narrowly in Peterborough. Yeah, knock yourself out. You can start saying that the seat wasn't that important to the Brexit Party anyway, or that Labour only won because of 14-to-a-house Pakistani voters, or that the elected MP is an anti-semite, or start a petition to get her recalled, or that the Tories actually did all right, or that the by-election means Peterborough voted to Leave the EU again, or any other things. Thankfully democracy doesn't just stop at a single point in time and everyone has to shut up and think the same as the majority did on that single day. It did forty years ago
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:09:23 GMT
Because parliament doesn't want it. It shouldn't be theirs to reject. That was the whole idea. I agree, but it is what it is..... two fingers to the G public
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 7, 2019 11:11:46 GMT
Actually a good result for Labour when all polls said they would lose percentages may be down and vote numbers but majority up )just) Apparently it is the lowest share of a vote ever to win a bi-election.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 11:13:11 GMT
So Labour won by just over 600 votes less than 2% above the Brexit party. That is not sufficient enough of a win to warrant legitimacy. On that basis I demand a second vote now that we know what we are voting for.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 11:17:23 GMT
Yeah, knock yourself out. You can start saying that the seat wasn't that important to the Brexit Party anyway, or that Labour only won because of 14-to-a-house Pakistani voters, or that the elected MP is an anti-semite, or start a petition to get her recalled, or that the Tories actually did all right, or that the by-election means Peterborough voted to Leave the EU again, or any other things. Thankfully democracy doesn't just stop at a single point in time and everyone has to shut up and think the same as the majority did on that single day. It did forty years ago No it didn't. UKIP was set up to piss and whinge about the result of the original referendum, newspapers pissed and whinged about the EU for several decades etc etc. All perfectly valid forms of protest of course.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 11:17:46 GMT
So Labour won by just over 600 votes less than 2% above the Brexit party. That is not sufficient enough of a win to warrant legitimacy. On that basis I demand a second vote now that we know what we are voting for. Dunner worry - they'll be having another vote some time between now and 2022.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 7, 2019 11:32:42 GMT
So Farage turned up to celebrate a win but allegedly either sneaked off or even hid in the bogs when it didn't go his way. Spineless twat.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 7, 2019 11:35:52 GMT
Labour are going to get in by default, aren't they? People who voted Leave are splitting their vote between the Tories and The Brexit Party, or giving up voting at all.
Labour's non stance means they can go either way on Brexit and still survive; staunch Labour voters will forgive them, or at least enough will.
But if the Tories don't deliver Brexit, they won't get the same leeway.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 7, 2019 11:39:30 GMT
I'm disappointed that the Brexit Party didn't win because I really think Westminster needs a shake up but going forward I think they have problems. They need to come up with a manifesto that isn't too right wing as they have to attract Labour voters. Some Tory voters will probably return to their party once the new leader is chosen, particularly if it is Boris or Raab. They must come to some sort of an alliance with UKIP. They can't afford for UKIP to be taking votes off them.
The irony though is that Labour's win makes a 2nd referendum less likely as Corbyn will continue with his policy of fence sitting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:41:01 GMT
I think both main parties should rightly be worried. Peterborough was 201st on the Brexit Party's list of target seats and to come so close to winning after just 8 weeks existence, and just 2 weeks campaigning is quite an achievement. Granted the "Brexit issue" as they see it could/should have seen them win it. There are other far more winnable seats but can they get organised enough with the right type of candidate to enable them to win those seats ? Having said that if Brexit isn't delivered on 31st October, or is even revoked, then the next general election could be very interesting indeed. Where is the list that says it is 201st? It was 101st in terms of Leave vote in the referendum and it is traditionally a swing seat. For those reasons I would've thought it would be higher than 201st It's quoted on the Brexit Party website Rip - I've not got any other info either way.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 7, 2019 11:47:14 GMT
Wonder how many Ford Bridgend workers voted leave....just asking?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 7, 2019 12:03:28 GMT
It did forty years ago No it didn't. UKIP was set up to piss and whinge about the result of the original referendum, newspapers pissed and whinged about the EU for several decades etc etc. All perfectly valid forms of protest of course. 1975 oh yes it did.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 12:09:50 GMT
Watching the Tories on here squirm has fair made my day. Where's Roger, when the recall petition was successful, he was confidently predicting a Tory landslide
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 12:14:16 GMT
So Labour won by just over 600 votes less than 2% above the Brexit party. That is not sufficient enough of a win to warrant legitimacy. On that basis I demand a second vote now that we know what we are voting for. Dunner worry - they'll be having another vote some time between now and 2022. That's not going to happen the Tories won't go down the GE route before they have to. They will deliver Brexit as best as they can before the next scheduled GE or the risk is oblivion. It says it all that Rabb was talking about pirouging parliament to deliver Brexit. They would do that before a GE because they would get smashed and lose power, they have no option but to deliver or dismiss parliament to take us out no deal.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 7, 2019 12:25:18 GMT
I'm disappointed that the Brexit Party didn't win because I really think Westminster needs a shake up but going forward I think they have problems. They need to come up with a manifesto that isn't too right wing as they have to attract Labour voters. Some Tory voters will probably return to their party once the new leader is chosen, particularly if it is Boris or Raab. They must come to some sort of an alliance with UKIP. They can't afford for UKIP to be taking votes off them. The irony though is that Labour's win makes a 2nd referendum less likely as Corbyn will continue with his policy of fence sitting. UKIP are counter-productive, they really need to disband. Scotland doesn't have, or need, two SNPs.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 12:44:07 GMT
Dunner worry - they'll be having another vote some time between now and 2022. That's not going to happen the Tories won't go down the GE route before they have to. They will deliver Brexit as best as they can before the next scheduled GE or the risk is oblivion. It says it all that Rabb was talking about pirouging parliament to deliver Brexit. They would do that before a GE because they would get smashed and lose power, they have no option but to deliver or dismiss parliament to take us out no deal. Speaker Johnny B has said there will be prorogation on his watch and rather than get angry, I think he's doing the Tories and No Dealer's a favour in the long run. That really would give cause for claims of foul play.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 12:52:16 GMT
That's not going to happen the Tories won't go down the GE route before they have to. They will deliver Brexit as best as they can before the next scheduled GE or the risk is oblivion. It says it all that Rabb was talking about pirouging parliament to deliver Brexit. They would do that before a GE because they would get smashed and lose power, they have no option but to deliver or dismiss parliament to take us out no deal. Speaker Johnny B has said there will be prorogation on his watch and rather than get angry, I think he's doing the Tories and No Dealer's a favour in the long run. That really would give cause for claims of foul play. I’ve spent years thinking that Owen Jones was the most odious oxygen thieving little scrote on this planet But I now admit I was wrong John Bercow definitely puts him in second place
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 12:54:11 GMT
That's not going to happen the Tories won't go down the GE route before they have to. They will deliver Brexit as best as they can before the next scheduled GE or the risk is oblivion. It says it all that Rabb was talking about pirouging parliament to deliver Brexit. They would do that before a GE because they would get smashed and lose power, they have no option but to deliver or dismiss parliament to take us out no deal. Speaker Johnny B has said there will be prorogation on his watch and rather than get angry, I think he's doing the Tories and No Dealer's a favour in the long run. That really would give cause for claims of foul play. I know that but he can't stop it, only the PM is required he/she asks the Queen. Bercow has no say whatsoever although there maybe one way but it's by no means a given. The PM can without any other person close parliament for as long as it takes. 7 years last time it happened during the civil war.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 7, 2019 16:00:45 GMT
70% of votes were postal votes. That's an outrageous number.
I think this needs a freedom of information on how many were Labour.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 7, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
70% of votes were postal votes. That's an outrageous number. I think this needs a freedom of information on how many were Labour. Seriously??
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 7, 2019 16:23:13 GMT
So all told 79 % voted leave Yes, with the majority for a deal. and around 70 % supported May's deal or softer. That no deal could only muster 30% in a constituency that voted 60% Leave in 2016 again suggests that that whoever wants to be the next Tory leader will have to think very carefully about which route to pursue.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 16:23:20 GMT
70% of votes were postal votes. That's an outrageous number. I think this needs a freedom of information on how many were Labour. Seriously?? According to this article, the turnout for people registered to vote by post was 70% which does not mean that 70% of the overall number of votes were postal votes. I assume the original poster got the 70% number from that statistic. www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/07/seven-reasons-labour-won-the-peterborough-byelection
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 16:28:46 GMT
Dunner worry - they'll be having another vote some time between now and 2022. That's not going to happen the Tories won't go down the GE route before they have to. They will deliver Brexit as best as they can before the next scheduled GE or the risk is oblivion. It says it all that Rabb was talking about pirouging parliament to deliver Brexit. They would do that before a GE because they would get smashed and lose power, they have no option but to deliver or dismiss parliament to take us out no deal. The fixed term act means there has to be a GE in or before 2022. So it might not be happening very soon, but it has to happen between now and 2022.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 7, 2019 16:31:57 GMT
Watching the Tories on here squirm has fair made my day. Where's Roger, when the recall petition was successful, he was confidently predicting a Tory landslide He's probably off reading Rees-Mogg's book about the Victorians and thinking it a literary masterpiece.
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Post by Northy on Jun 7, 2019 16:36:14 GMT
I see the labour activist Tariq Mahmood who was jailed for vote rigging with postal votes was at the count last night wearing a labour rosette, labour members, criminals and Peterborough have a couple of things in common then...
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jun 7, 2019 16:39:43 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 16:56:45 GMT
That's not going to happen the Tories won't go down the GE route before they have to. They will deliver Brexit as best as they can before the next scheduled GE or the risk is oblivion. It says it all that Rabb was talking about pirouging parliament to deliver Brexit. They would do that before a GE because they would get smashed and lose power, they have no option but to deliver or dismiss parliament to take us out no deal. The fixed term act means there has to be a GE in or before 2022. So it might not be happening very soon, but it has to happen between now and 2022. I get that I don't think it will happen early was my point they will wait as long as they can.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 17:00:19 GMT
I see the labour activist Tariq Mahmood who was jailed for vote rigging with postal votes was at the count last night wearing a labour rosette, labour members, criminals and Peterborough have a couple of things in common then... Well I’ll say it nobody else will labour have history of voter fraud in areas with a large Asian population
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