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Post by felonious on Jun 7, 2019 7:26:31 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 7, 2019 7:36:26 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. Yep And if the tories deliver brexit on 31 Oct the nation then has that choice do you trust jezza to take us through the first few years of it.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 7, 2019 7:36:48 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. Of course they're relieved, but you could equally argue as well that yet again a Farage led party can't translate it's success on elections regarding a single issue into Westminster seats. I reckon they'd pick up more than a handful come a general election, but people generally don't like voting for Third parties at general elections, especially those without a manifesto. (as yet)
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 7, 2019 7:54:41 GMT
End of the Brexit party.If they cannot get into a town what voted for Brexit at this time when the tories and Labour cannot get their act together they never will.They are just a protest party nothing else no matter what some people on here would like to believe.Well done the people of Peterborough common sense prevails. Oh the fucking irony! While a state visit was going on what were labour being? Yes, a protest party which to be fair is all Jeremy has ever been! Andrew Neil's interview with the new MP was interesting. She has maths on a par with Diane!
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Post by yeokel on Jun 7, 2019 7:59:00 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. Of course they're relieved, but you could equally argue as well that yet again a Farage led party can't translate it's success on elections regarding a single issue into Westminster seats. I reckon they'd pick up more than a handful come a general election, but people generally don't like voting for Third parties at general elections, especially those without a manifesto. (as yet) It takes a long time to evolve from a single issue party to a general, electable party but it can be done. Look how long the SNP took to evolve before getting the chance to ruin run Scotland. Regardless of what happens with Brexit (deal, no deal or no leave) the Brexit party will need to come up with a whole series of policies and credible candidates to convince the electorate to change from the two, arguably three, main parties. Perhaps they will, perhaps they won’t. Time will tell.
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Post by yeokel on Jun 7, 2019 8:03:07 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. Yep And if the tories deliver brexit on 31 Oct the nation then has that choice do you trust jezza to take us through the first few years of it. We could equally ask do we trust Boris to take us through the first few years of it? Both can be seen as disasters waiting to happen. Oh dear, what a state we are in
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 8:03:40 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. I think both main parties should rightly be worried. Peterborough was 201st on the Brexit Party's list of target seats and to come so close to winning after just 8 weeks existence, and just 2 weeks campaigning is quite an achievement. Granted the "Brexit issue" as they see it could/should have seen them win it. There are other far more winnable seats but can they get organised enough with the right type of candidate to enable them to win those seats ? Having said that if Brexit isn't delivered on 31st October, or is even revoked, then the next general election could be very interesting indeed.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 8:08:49 GMT
Disappointing result for me but it was a wake up for the "big" two. A low turn out but it's a cracking start for the Brexit party.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 8:15:28 GMT
And the winners of the Peterborough bi- election The APATHY party 51.6 % to 48.4%
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jun 7, 2019 8:18:20 GMT
The most important thing the Brexit Party has to do now is to form a fully fledged manifesto. Nigel Farage is proposing a "Contract with the People" whereby registered supporters will be able to vote on a range of policies.
A word about the figures above. Yesterday's turnout was 48.4% down from 67.5% in 2017, so of course the total number of actual votes is going to be lower, especially across the main 3 parties. It's important to compare like with like. The Labour vote hasn't halved as a percentage, nor has the Tory vote gone down by 66%.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 8:19:14 GMT
And the winners of the Peterborough bi- election The APATHY party 51.6 % to 48.4% That stat is actually most worrying for Farage and his Party than the main parties.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 8:22:31 GMT
And the winners of the Peterborough bi- election The APATHY party 51.6 % to 48.4% That stat is actually most worrying for Farage and his Party than the main parties. You mean more worrying than the Tories and Labour losing a combined 42% of their vote.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 8:29:33 GMT
And the winners of the Peterborough bi- election The APATHY party 51.6 % to 48.4% That stat is actually most worrying for Farage and his Party than the main parties. To be honest I think most of the party’s can take piss all from this Labour Party : relief but may do them more harm than good in the long run as it allows the fence sitting to continue Brexit Party : disappointment but can be pretty pleased there job is to get the right Tory leader elected Tory party : as labour relief Armageddon didn’t take place Liberal party : well the remain express is still moving forward if only much slower The greens : well that’s pissed on there bonfire
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2019 8:32:34 GMT
That stat is actually most worrying for Farage and his Party than the main parties. You mean more worrying than the Tories and Labour losing a combined 42% of their vote. Yes absolutely This,surely,is peak time for pro Brexit/anti Tory-Labour. Very pro Brexit area going by the referendum result Labour candidate clearly tarnished And yet more than half didn't vote at all Farages party should have romped home. Brexit party ,Tories and Labour should all be worried by this by Election result.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 7, 2019 8:32:50 GMT
The most important thing the Brexit Party has to do now is to form a fully fledged manifesto. Nigel Farage is proposing a "Contract with the People" whereby registered supporters will be able to vote on a range of policies. A word about the figures above. Yesterday's turnout was 48.4% down from 67.5% in 2017, so of course the total number of actual votes is going to be lower, especially across the main 3 parties. It's important to compare like with like. The Labour vote hasn't halved as a percentage, nor has the Tory vote gone down by 66%. The big issue will surely be finding a way to unite the members on an issue on something other than Brexit? You've got such diverse, economic and social viewpoints in it.....they may struggle to find adequate centre ground. Anne Widdecombe's already been sounding off on social issues that isn't really helping the cause.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 8:38:15 GMT
That stat is actually most worrying for Farage and his Party than the main parties. To be honest I think most of the party’s can take piss all from this Labour Party : relief but may do them more harm than good in the long run as it allows the fence sitting to continue Brexit Party : disappointment but can be pretty pleased there job is to get the right Tory leader elected Tory party : as labour relief Armageddon didn’t take place Liberal party : well the remain express is still moving forward if only much slower The greens : well that’s pissed on there bonfire There's one big thing to take out of this election and that is, other factors are at play in parliamentary elections not just Brexit. At this point in time, despite a war of hostility against in our right wing media, this is a good thing for Labour.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 8:55:42 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. I think both main parties should rightly be worried. Peterborough was 201st on the Brexit Party's list of target seats and to come so close to winning after just 8 weeks existence, and just 2 weeks campaigning is quite an achievement. Granted the "Brexit issue" as they see it could/should have seen them win it. There are other far more winnable seats but can they get organised enough with the right type of candidate to enable them to win those seats ? Having said that if Brexit isn't delivered on 31st October, or is even revoked, then the next general election could be very interesting indeed. Where is the list that says it is 201st? It was 101st in terms of Leave vote in the referendum and it is traditionally a swing seat. For those reasons I would've thought it would be higher than 201st
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 7, 2019 8:56:30 GMT
When politicians talk about 'Political Elites' & 'The Westminster Bubble' etc ad nauseum they seem quite happy to accept the first past the post electoral system, which is, by definition, extremely divisive and grossly unfair.
Any Politician genuinely interested in changing British Politics for the better would first change that system.
Massively outdated and not fit for purpose.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 7, 2019 8:57:06 GMT
You mean more worrying than the Tories and Labour losing a combined 42% of their vote. Yes absolutely This,surely,is peak time for pro Brexit/anti Tory-Labour. Very pro Brexit area going by the referendum result Labour candidate clearly tarnished And yet more than half didn't vote at all Farages party should have romped home. Brexit party ,Tories and Labour should all be worried by this by Election result. Brexit will increase those numbers as they build momentum, they don't have the same foundations as Labour or the Tories but only just lost. The Tories do have more to worry about but in the north Labour will lose more votes than they think.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jun 7, 2019 9:09:41 GMT
An interesting remark in The Guardian this morning which all of us who have commented will relate to:
"What probably matters most is how byelection results are perceived. It is not so much what the results show as what people think they show that matters."
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Post by salopstick on Jun 7, 2019 9:19:07 GMT
This has to make the tories deliver brexit
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 9:22:57 GMT
When politicians talk about 'Political Elites' & 'The Westminster Bubble' etc ad nauseum they seem quite happy to accept the first past the post electoral system, which is, by definition, extremely divisive and grossly unfair. Any Politician genuinely interested in changing British Politics for the better would first change that system. Massively outdated and not fit for purpose. The problem for the Brexit Party is that they'd have to overrule a referendum result to enact that sort of change.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 7, 2019 9:32:05 GMT
End of the Brexit party.If they cannot get into a town what voted for Brexit at this time when the tories and Labour cannot get their act together they never will.They are just a protest party nothing else no matter what some people on here would like to believe.Well done the people of Peterborough common sense prevails. A party that has 700 votes is a party that will never win. Not a party that loses by 700 votes. So the Lib Dems and Conservative Party can never win? Maybe you should inform them that they just dismantle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 9:39:17 GMT
The reality check.....
Labour 10,484 votes down from 22,950
Conservatives 7,243 votes down from 22.343
Libdems 4,159 up from 1,597
Another massive rejection of the two main parties mirroring the results in the recent EU elections. Whilst Labour had the problems of their criminal ex MP to contend with they through 3,000 activists at the seat which they won't be able to do at a general election.
Don't kid yourselves the Labour smiles are pure relief. Yep And if the tories deliver brexit on 31 Oct the nation then has that choice do you trust jezza to take us through the first few years of it. they cant deliver brexit
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 7, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
When politicians talk about 'Political Elites' & 'The Westminster Bubble' etc ad nauseum they seem quite happy to accept the first past the post electoral system, which is, by definition, extremely divisive and grossly unfair. Any Politician genuinely interested in changing British Politics for the better would first change that system. Massively outdated and not fit for purpose. And postal voting needs scrutiny
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 7, 2019 10:07:43 GMT
When does the campaign start to have the result overturned ? Apparently as soon as another general election is called, the people of Peterborough will have to vote again! And they call it democracy. Why can't this decision stand for the rest of eternity? So we can whinge and whine for the next four years like the remoaners have for the past three , elections are different than referendums by the way, what was it billed as a once in a lifetime vote we haven't even got off the starting blocks after three years and you call that democracy ? meanwhile in the real world normal people will get on with their lives despite losing out so narrowly in Peterborough.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 7, 2019 10:11:40 GMT
This has to make the tories deliver brexit What if they can't?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 7, 2019 10:15:30 GMT
Yep And if the tories deliver brexit on 31 Oct the nation then has that choice do you trust jezza to take us through the first few years of it. they cant deliver brexit Because parliament doesn't want it. It shouldn't be theirs to reject. That was the whole idea.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 7, 2019 10:17:07 GMT
Actually a good result for Labour when all polls said they would lose percentages may be down and vote numbers but majority up )just)
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 7, 2019 10:31:18 GMT
Wait a minute, people are just accepting the result & moving on? Shouldn't we be adding together different parties so that the losers are really the winners & the winners are really the losers? Shouldn't we be shouting about 'Russian interference'? Shouldn't we be demanding another vote because "people didn't know what they were voting for"? Shouldn't we be out protesting in the streets screaming "racist" & "fascist" at anyone who disagrees with us?
I'm really not comfortable with just accepting it... Nazi's!
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