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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 5:49:02 GMT
This result demonstrates that 1: although many people strongly agree with Brexit many others are utterly unconvinced by the pro-Brexit arguments. 2: Brexit is not the be all and all. Yet over 50 % of the electorate yet again voted pro brexit
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jun 7, 2019 5:50:05 GMT
I don't agree with the result of this vote and I want another vote as the voters didn't know what they were voting for...
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 7, 2019 5:50:34 GMT
End of the Brexit party.If they cannot get into a town what voted for Brexit at this time when the tories and Labour cannot get their act together they never will.They are just a protest party nothing else no matter what some people on here would like to believe.Well done the people of Peterborough common sense prevails. Well done the people of Peterborough they resoundingly vote leave yet again Unfortunately the anti Semitic vote held firm "anti Semitic vote" Fortunately the people of Peterborough dont see it the same as some on here see it.Yes there is an issue at the moment but the tories have an even bigger problem with the muslim community but this is about the Brexit party and they failed.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 7, 2019 5:51:30 GMT
End of the Brexit party.If they cannot get into a town what voted for Brexit at this time when the tories and Labour cannot get their act together they never will.They are just a protest party nothing else no matter what some people on here would like to believe.Well done the people of Peterborough common sense prevails. No, that's no true at all. The Brexit Party is 6 weeks old, has no grass-roots organisation yet, and had no data or intelligence on where to campaign in the city. The Labour Party is 100 years old and blitzed the town in all the right places. The Brexit Party came extremely close - they did equally as well as the Tories in 2017, so it's clear they have disrupted the two party system and are here to stay. Remember, this by-election wasn't only about Brexit. At the end of the day it's a net gain to Labour of zero. Yesterday you said it was a guaranteed victory for the Brexit Party...
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jun 7, 2019 5:52:55 GMT
I did, and I was wrong. I can live with it, however.
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 7, 2019 5:53:28 GMT
End of the Brexit party.If they cannot get into a town what voted for Brexit at this time when the tories and Labour cannot get their act together they never will.They are just a protest party nothing else no matter what some people on here would like to believe.Well done the people of Peterborough common sense prevails. No, that's no true at all. The Brexit Party is 6 weeks old, has no grass-roots organisation yet, and had no data or intelligence on where to campaign in the city. The Labour Party is 100 years old and blitzed the town in all the right places. The Brexit Party came extremely close - they did equally as well as the Tories in 2017, so it's clear they have disrupted the two party system and are here to stay. Remember, this by-election wasn't only about Brexit. At the end of the day it's a net gain to Labour of zero. "Remember, this by-election wasn't only about Brexit" And thats why they failed and always will.The party has no manifesto whatsoever, how on earth can you vote an MP in to represent your community if he has no idea what he is supposed to do there.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 5:55:24 GMT
End of the Brexit party.If they cannot get into a town what voted for Brexit at this time when the tories and Labour cannot get their act together they never will.They are just a protest party nothing else no matter what some people on here would like to believe.Well done the people of Peterborough common sense prevails. I don't think it's quite the end of the Brexit Party as there are more ardent Leave constituencies out there, but it is not a good sign for them that they've been unable to beat an unconvincing Labour Party in a swing Leave-voting seat that was also the under the scandal of the previous sitting Labour MP having been turfed out for being a criminal. If they were looking at getting a decent number of seats at a GE in the very near future, this should've been the sort of seat they'd be looking for.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 7, 2019 5:55:28 GMT
I think the Tories will be very worried by this result.
The Brexit party, in a Westminster election, seems less attractive to Labour voters than Tory ones - which isn't too much of a surprise.
The outcome is the Tory vote splitting allowing Labour to win.
The Brexit party, therefore, if it stands at the GE could well lead to a Labour election win because Labour will retain their northern heartlands and win loads of marginals because the Tory vote will get split.
Labour are therefore right to be pleased this morning. Not because they performed well. They didn't. But the Tories are now, electorally, a bigger mess than they are. I guess you could say they feel like the tallest Pygmy in the village just now.
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 7, 2019 5:59:37 GMT
I think the Tories will be very worried by this result. The Brexit party, in a Westminster election, seems less attractive to Labour voters than Tory ones - which isn't too much of a surprise. The outcome is the Tory vote splitting allowing Labour to win. The Brexit party, therefore, if it stands at the GE could well lead to a Labour election win because Labour will retain their northern heartlands and win loads of marginals because the Tory vote will get split. Labour are therefore right to be pleased this morning. Not because they performed well. They didn't. But the Tories are now, electorally, a bigger mess than they are. I guess you could say they feel like the tallest Pygmy in the village just now. The UKIP or Brexit party have come back to haunt and ruin the tories again.The deal they did to stay in power (give people the vote on Europe)to keep them in government because the tory vote was split has returned . How ironic.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 7, 2019 6:06:41 GMT
No, that's no true at all. The Brexit Party is 6 weeks old, has no grass-roots organisation yet, and had no data or intelligence on where to campaign in the city. The Labour Party is 100 years old and blitzed the town in all the right places. The Brexit Party came extremely close - they did equally as well as the Tories in 2017, so it's clear they have disrupted the two party system and are here to stay. Remember, this by-election wasn't only about Brexit. At the end of the day it's a net gain to Labour of zero. "Remember, this by-election wasn't only about Brexit" And thats why they failed and always will.The party has no manifesto whatsoever, how on earth can you vote an MP in to represent your community if he has no idea what he is supposed to do there. Good luck with logic. It’s a great result for reason though.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 7, 2019 6:08:48 GMT
If this result fails to focus the Tory minds to the importance of a Brexit exit on 31st October then they will be unelectable at any subsequent general election.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 7, 2019 6:12:41 GMT
I think the Tories will be very worried by this result. The Brexit party, in a Westminster election, seems less attractive to Labour voters than Tory ones - which isn't too much of a surprise. The outcome is the Tory vote splitting allowing Labour to win. The Brexit party, therefore, if it stands at the GE could well lead to a Labour election win because Labour will retain their northern heartlands and win loads of marginals because the Tory vote will get split. Labour are therefore right to be pleased this morning. Not because they performed well. They didn't. But the Tories are now, electorally, a bigger mess than they are. I guess you could say they feel like the tallest Pygmy in the village just now. The UKIP or Brexit party have come back to haunt and ruin the tories again.The deal they did to stay in power (give people the vote on Europe)to keep them in government because the tory vote was split has returned . How ironic. Yeah, but if the cowards gambled with the nations future last time over UKIP, what will they do this time... Russian Roulette anyone...
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 6:20:14 GMT
Well done the people of Peterborough they resoundingly vote leave yet again Unfortunately the anti Semitic vote held firm "anti Semitic vote" Fortunately the people of Peterborough dont see it the same as some on here see it.Yes there is an issue at the moment but the tories have an even bigger problem with the muslim community but this is about the Brexit party and they failed. There is a issue at the moment well that’s a slight understatement the new mp is under investigation on anti Semitic posts As a Tory leave voter I’m more than happy at the result last night 1) this keeps old grandpa smurf in charge of the Labour Party 2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader 3) it will concentrate Tory voters minds vote brexit Party get labour 4) despite being totally inept having no leader having delivered the square root of sod all The Tory vote held up and was only three thousand behind labour
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 7, 2019 6:27:23 GMT
"anti Semitic vote" Fortunately the people of Peterborough dont see it the same as some on here see it.Yes there is an issue at the moment but the tories have an even bigger problem with the muslim community but this is about the Brexit party and they failed. There is a issue at the moment well that’s a slight understatement the new mp is under investigation on anti Semitic posts As a Tory leave voter I’m more than happy at the result last night 1) this keeps old grandpa smurf in charge of the Labour Party 2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader 3) it will concentrate Tory voters minds vote brexit Party get labour 4) despite being totally inept having no leader having delivered the square root of sod all The Tory vote held up and was only three thousand behind labour Fair enough waga but how will this help in parliament -"2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader"The same old obstacles are there.And they dont have enough leavers in parliament to get a deal through.The deal with the DUP (spit) which propped up the government will block any leave deal which atm must include a backstop.And the cycle continues. So its going to be no deal or remain.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 6:35:52 GMT
There is a issue at the moment well that’s a slight understatement the new mp is under investigation on anti Semitic posts As a Tory leave voter I’m more than happy at the result last night 1) this keeps old grandpa smurf in charge of the Labour Party 2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader 3) it will concentrate Tory voters minds vote brexit Party get labour 4) despite being totally inept having no leader having delivered the square root of sod all The Tory vote held up and was only three thousand behind labour Fair enough waga but how will this help in parliament -"2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader"The same old obstacles are there.And they dont have enough leavers in parliament to get a deal through.The deal with the DUP (spit) which propped up the government will block any leave deal which atm must include a backstop.And the cycle continues. So its going to be no deal or remain. No deal it is then though I’ve no idea how they will do it Just had to smile labour transport minister has just said that the vote last night was nothing to do with brexit
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 6:37:26 GMT
"anti Semitic vote" Fortunately the people of Peterborough dont see it the same as some on here see it.Yes there is an issue at the moment but the tories have an even bigger problem with the muslim community but this is about the Brexit party and they failed. There is a issue at the moment well that’s a slight understatement the new mp is under investigation on anti Semitic posts As a Tory leave voter I’m more than happy at the result last night 1) this keeps old grandpa smurf in charge of the Labour Party 2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader 3) it will concentrate Tory voters minds vote brexit Party get labour 4) despite being totally inept having no leader having delivered the square root of sod all The Tory vote held up and was only three thousand behind labour The Tory vote didn't hold up well. They lost 25.5% of their vote from 2017, when they didn't win the seat. Three-thousand is a big margin in a swing seat. Similar to the Euro elections, neither the Tory or Labour vote held up well but the Tories are losing more due to being in power throughout this shambles.
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Post by felonious on Jun 7, 2019 6:42:27 GMT
I did, and I was wrong. I can live with it, however. Don't accept it, campaign against it, get you milkshake ready
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 6:42:50 GMT
There is a issue at the moment well that’s a slight understatement the new mp is under investigation on anti Semitic posts As a Tory leave voter I’m more than happy at the result last night 1) this keeps old grandpa smurf in charge of the Labour Party 2) this result will ensure the Tory’s elect a leaver as leader 3) it will concentrate Tory voters minds vote brexit Party get labour 4) despite being totally inept having no leader having delivered the square root of sod all The Tory vote held up and was only three thousand behind labour The Tory vote didn't hold up well. They lost 25.5% of their vote from 2017, when they didn't win the seat. Three-thousand is a big margin in a swing seat. Similar to the Euro elections, neither the Tory or Labour vote held up well but the Tories are losing more due to being in power throughout this shambles. Compared to the Armageddon that was predicted the Tory vote held up pretty well Though just as a matter of interest do you accept that the people of Peterborough yet again voted to leave the Eu
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 6:46:37 GMT
The Tory vote didn't hold up well. They lost 25.5% of their vote from 2017, when they didn't win the seat. Three-thousand is a big margin in a swing seat. Similar to the Euro elections, neither the Tory or Labour vote held up well but the Tories are losing more due to being in power throughout this shambles. Compared to the Armageddon that was predicted the Tory vote held up pretty well Though just as a matter of interest do you accept that the people of Peterborough yet again voted to leave the Eu Yes. Looking at the numbers it appears they voted for a Brexit that involves a leaving with a deal, as the Labour and Conservative vote, ironically, adds up to 52%.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 7, 2019 6:48:13 GMT
I reckon if it wasn't for Trumps visit and all the stuff about the NHS being on the table in a trade deal then the Brexit Party may well have won that. Bad timing for Nigel.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 7, 2019 6:52:41 GMT
When does the campaign start to have the result overturned ?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 6:55:00 GMT
When does the campaign start to have the result overturned ? Apparently as soon as another general election is called, the people of Peterborough will have to vote again! And they call it democracy. Why can't this decision stand for the rest of eternity?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 7, 2019 6:56:44 GMT
Compared to the Armageddon that was predicted the Tory vote held up pretty well Though just as a matter of interest do you accept that the people of Peterborough yet again voted to leave the Eu Yes. Looking at the numbers it appears they voted for a Brexit that involves a leaving with a deal, as the Labour and Conservative vote, ironically, adds up to 52%. So all told 79 % voted leave
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 7, 2019 6:59:20 GMT
Yes. Looking at the numbers it appears they voted for a Brexit that involves a leaving with a deal, as the Labour and Conservative vote, ironically, adds up to 52%. So all told 79 % voted leave Yes, with the majority for a deal.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 7, 2019 7:00:34 GMT
I did, and I was wrong. I can live with it, however. Gracious in defeat, unlike the man who got defeated.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 7, 2019 7:03:13 GMT
I reckon if it wasn't for Trumps visit and all the stuff about the NHS being on the table in a trade deal then the Brexit Party may well have won that. Bad timing for Nigel. I recon that if it wasn’t for England’s loss against PackitinStan, their imminent capitulation against the Netherlands & that Mars was in Uranus, Brexit May well have won it...
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jun 7, 2019 7:07:56 GMT
I agree Dave. I said several weeks ago that I wasn't totally convinced Greene was the right candidate. I posed the question of how thee ectorate still living with austerity could relate to a multi-millionaire. He always appeared to be bad humoured and you hardly ever saw any warmth or humility from him, let alone the occasional smile. Just my personal thoughts...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 7:10:37 GMT
It's funny watching the right wing media squirm this morning trying to compute this result. Scripts being torn up prepare, for Corbyn smear warp 2 to be enacted.
Partick's analysis is pretty much spot on. This was not a good performance for Labour but it was a good night, particularly in terms of how the election came about. They would win any General Election in short term. This has been a disaster for the Tories and I expect a huge lurch to the right ahead.
The final point I would make and just whisper it. Maybe, just maybe, Brexit is not the only issue on the doorstep in a Parliamentary election? That can only play into Labour's hands.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 7, 2019 7:17:03 GMT
I did, and I was wrong. I can live with it, however. Trouble is, if you were wrong about this,what else might you be wrong about?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 7, 2019 7:23:23 GMT
It's funny watching the right wing media squirm this morning trying to compute this result. Scripts being torn up prepare, for Corbyn smear warp 2 to be enacted. Partick's analysis is pretty much spot on. This was not a good performance for Labour but it was a good night, particularly in terms of how the election came about. They would win any General Election in short term. This has been a disaster for the Tories and I expect a huge lurch to the right ahead. The final point I would make and just whisper it. Maybe, just maybe, Brexit is not the only issue on the doorstep in a Parliamentary election? That can only play into Labour's hands. Yes more smears like the candidate having to undertake anti semitism training you mean ? The next general election unless brexit is done already Labour has to take a definite position for or against and as soon as they do......
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