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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 6:55:03 GMT
My issues with Arter are:
A) He's wank B) He's wank C) He's not young D) He's wank E) He's a shit Joe Allen F) He's wank G) He's a twat
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Post by jamesadams112 on Jun 1, 2019 6:58:54 GMT
My issues with Arter are: A) He's wank B) He's wank C) He's not young D) He's wank E) He's a shit Joe Allen F) He's wank G) He's a twat 1) don’t think Jim and joe Allen are even comparable midfielders 2) why suddenly is young players the only breed of players who can apparently succeed at stoke 3) what about him makes him wank then(genuine question)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 7:08:54 GMT
My issues with Arter are: A) He's wank B) He's wank C) He's not young D) He's wank E) He's a shit Joe Allen F) He's wank G) He's a twat 1) don’t think Jim and joe Allen are even comparable midfielders 2) why suddenly is young players the only breed of players who can apparently succeed at stoke 3) what about him makes him wank then(genuine question) Not comparable? They are practically identical. They run around alot putting in tackles but arent very good on the ball, don't create and dont score. Hmmmmmmm....ask the manager he's wants young hungry players. I suppose a long line of experienced pros who have turned out to be total dross for us has focussed his mind. He just is isn't he. 94 PL appearances, 3 goals and 5 assists.
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Post by milky on Jun 1, 2019 7:14:08 GMT
For years now stoke have had a team of players who are only half arsed, scared to get in the oppositions faces and straight up don’t stoke fear into any teams we play. Since the Harry Archer interest I’ve realised many people don’t want him because he’s a “cheat” which was the same I remember for Ben Pearson , and it just made me wonder why fans don’t want a team full of absolute shithouses who get in face places, ever now and then put a dirty unneeded tackle in and are up for a fight? I’d honestly take 11 Harry Archers and Ben Pearson’s right now and am just wondering why so many wouldn’t? Harry Archer? How often does he hit the target though ?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 1, 2019 7:15:33 GMT
For years now stoke have had a team of players who are only half arsed, scared to get in the oppositions faces and straight up don’t stoke fear into any teams we play. Since the Harry Archer interest I’ve realised many people don’t want him because he’s a “cheat” which was the same I remember for Ben Pearson , and it just made me wonder why fans don’t want a team full of absolute shithouses who get in face places, ever now and then put a dirty unneeded tackle in and are up for a fight? I’d honestly take 11 Harry Archers and Ben Pearson’s right now and am just wondering why so many wouldn’t? Harry Archer? How often does he hit the target though ? He’s no Robin Hood 😎
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 1, 2019 8:06:56 GMT
For years now stoke have had a team of players who are only half arsed, scared to get in the oppositions faces and straight up don’t stoke fear into any teams we play. Since the Harry Archer interest I’ve realised many people don’t want him because he’s a “cheat” which was the same I remember for Ben Pearson , and it just made me wonder why fans don’t want a team full of absolute shithouses who get in face places, ever now and then put a dirty unneeded tackle in and are up for a fight? I’d honestly take 11 Harry Archers and Ben Pearson’s right now and am just wondering why so many wouldn’t? I know this next statement is either going to seem unbelievable or make me sound like a simpleton but my favourite Stoke players has always been the ball winners. I love seeing a crunching tackle and when you consider we often play a match where half of it we don’t have the ball often think they’re underrated. Darel Russell is a particular hero of mine, but I also love Eustace, Rory, Dean Whitehead, slightly different but Kevin Keen and for a time James O’Connor. We need players like this but I don’t recall any of them being cheats in any way shape or form. It’s generally accepted we lost our identity a number of years ago and while the media have placed a reputation of long ball merchants I tend to think our identity is more based on what we do without the ball, our good teams since the mid 90’s work hard and are disciplined. Also, we have never been a ‘smart’ team, euphemism for conning the ref. If our new identity is to be smart and cheat it can fuck off. I can watch us lose but I won’t quietly watch us lose and cheat. Some of us chose to boo McClean for his religious beliefs, if we sign Arter and he cheats I’ll reserve the right to shout at him and possibly boo. It makes me immensely proud that our fans shouted at Arnie, Shaq, Moses and even Rick to get up and get on with it. It’s incredibly rare to hear at an away game and one of the things I consider makes us who we are.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 1, 2019 8:16:28 GMT
The fact the bloke is an utter shithouse concerns me less than it's another 30 year old to fit in with the manager's stodgy, doddering fast attacking football plan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2019 8:19:47 GMT
I don't think he'd be a disastrous signing - but I'm a bit confused about where he'd play. He hasn't got a mass of experience playing in front of the back 4 as a holding player, which is the obvious midfield role we're targeting. So is he just another body for the 2 box-to-box roles (we've already got Etebo, Allen and Clucas there and I can see all three staying) twitter.com/ExpectedKilns/with_repliesThere are some interesting analytics-type points made here that show he doesn't really stand out a mile in that department - and I doubt very much he'd be a big difference-maker in comparison with those three.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 8:25:51 GMT
I can see the plus and negatives for him but at 30 he’ll still have a good 2-3 years left in him. I’d prefer someone like Sawyers but Arter’s not the worst player in the world and the Championship will suit his style of play as he has lots of energy and doesn’t hide like some of our current crop. Ultimately it’s the clubs money and if they feel they can afford it who’s to stop them spending it if the manager think he’s a good player. The likes of Edwards, Collins, Campbell, Verlinden will need some older heads around them.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 8:27:56 GMT
I don't think he'd be a disastrous signing - but I'm a bit confused about where he'd play. He hasn't got a mass of experience playing in front of the back 4 as a holding player, which is the obvious midfield role we're targeting. So is he just another body for the 2 box-to-box roles (we've already got Etebo, Allen and Clucas there and I can see all three staying) twitter.com/ExpectedKilns/with_repliesThere are some interesting analytics-type points made here that show he doesn't really stand out a mile in that department - and I doubt very much he'd be a big difference-maker in comparison with those three. I think Joe will leave and possibly though hopefully not Etebo too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Clucas was the only one left of those 3 come the start of the season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2019 8:32:12 GMT
I don't think he'd be a disastrous signing - but I'm a bit confused about where he'd play. He hasn't got a mass of experience playing in front of the back 4 as a holding player, which is the obvious midfield role we're targeting. So is he just another body for the 2 box-to-box roles (we've already got Etebo, Allen and Clucas there and I can see all three staying) twitter.com/ExpectedKilns/with_repliesThere are some interesting analytics-type points made here that show he doesn't really stand out a mile in that department - and I doubt very much he'd be a big difference-maker in comparison with those three. I think Joe will leave and possibly though hopefully not Etebo too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Clucas was the only one left of those 3 come the start of the season. There's obviously a chance Allen will go - but I don't think it's that big. A player of his age would only leave for an opening where he'd start 30+ games in the Premier League - and I can't think of many obvious ones. He's approaching 30 and I just can't see the market for him at £12-£15m and £55-60k-a-week he's locked into here for the next 3 seasons. Etebo is a more attractive target and I'm sure he and his agent will be pushing, but I don't think we'll be messed about again if we can help it. Unless we get top dollar (and I don't think we will), he'll be staying.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 1, 2019 8:33:13 GMT
Harry Arter a target? At least I've heard of this one.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 1, 2019 8:52:54 GMT
I don't think he'd be a disastrous signing - but I'm a bit confused about where he'd play. He hasn't got a mass of experience playing in front of the back 4 as a holding player, which is the obvious midfield role we're targeting. So is he just another body for the 2 box-to-box roles (we've already got Etebo, Allen and Clucas there and I can see all three staying) twitter.com/ExpectedKilns/with_repliesThere are some interesting analytics-type points made here that show he doesn't really stand out a mile in that department - and I doubt very much he'd be a big difference-maker in comparison with those three. Replacement for both etebo and Allen?
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2019 8:54:28 GMT
I think Joe will leave and possibly though hopefully not Etebo too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Clucas was the only one left of those 3 come the start of the season. There's obviously a chance Allen will go - but I don't think it's that big. A player of his age would only leave for an opening where he'd start 30+ games in the Premier League - and I can't think of many obvious ones. He's approaching 30 and I just can't see the market for him at £12-£15m and £55-60k-a-week he's locked into here for the next 3 seasons. Etebo is a more attractive target and I'm sure he and his agent will be pushing, but I don't think we'll be messed about again if we can help it. Unless we get top dollar (and I don't think we will), he'll be staying. I think Allen would happily be a squad player at Wolves or Leicester.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2019 9:01:46 GMT
There's obviously a chance Allen will go - but I don't think it's that big. A player of his age would only leave for an opening where he'd start 30+ games in the Premier League - and I can't think of many obvious ones. He's approaching 30 and I just can't see the market for him at £12-£15m and £55-60k-a-week he's locked into here for the next 3 seasons. Etebo is a more attractive target and I'm sure he and his agent will be pushing, but I don't think we'll be messed about again if we can help it. Unless we get top dollar (and I don't think we will), he'll be staying. I think Allen would happily be a squad player at Wolves or Leicester. I think you're right - but even with the Brendan love, I'd be a little bit surprised if either of those 2 were in for him. I don't think he's quite good enough. I can see maybe Burnley (although not sure they'd pay his wages?) or Villa (at a push, but maybe Smith would even go for Woods ahead of him?) Brighton seem too analytics-driven to go that high for a player of his cost and age. Newcastle won't go that high unless the takeover happens quickly. Sheff U and Norwich couldn't afford him. Bournemouth have got better, but maybe? Palace? Unlikely Southampton? No. Their manager will be looking at Europe Watford? Can't see it at the cost. They are great at getting better value West Ham? Maybe, but unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 9:07:36 GMT
I can quite conceivably see Etebo and Allen out with Arter and Sawyers in as replacements.
I'd be happy with that too.
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Post by march4 on Jun 1, 2019 9:10:41 GMT
Eddie Clamp is just the type of player we need. As is Maurice Setters. We need to become more aggressive as a team. Wouldn't they both be sent off by half time these days? I don’t think either would last the hand shake thing before the game!
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 1, 2019 9:11:34 GMT
I haven't even seen us linked with Sawyer's anywhere, national or local press.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 1, 2019 9:51:24 GMT
I'm not much for him but he must be for the left side of the diamond.
I can see Etebo going this summer but I think Allen will be staying.
Priority in midfield has to be going in big on a midfield destroyer with a big physical presence screening that back four
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Post by enuntio on Jun 1, 2019 10:15:50 GMT
I wouldn't say no to him coming
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 10:20:03 GMT
I wouldn't say no to him coming Colin, is that you?
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jun 1, 2019 10:28:24 GMT
I haven't even seen us linked with Sawyer's anywhere, national or local press. Think I've seen somewhere he's on beswicks books, so we'll have a hotline to their office. Like batman (Adam West the real one😉) with commissioner Gordon 😁
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 10:53:33 GMT
Have folk missed that the article goes on about Bournemouth offering him as a makeweight for any bid to Butland?
It doesn't seem to indicate that its because he's one of our own top targets.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 2, 2019 8:35:38 GMT
By looking at Arter, Stoke are clearly thinking of creating a team of Spoilers who will kick their way to promotion by frustrating and neutralizing their opponents. They will go up on the biggest string of 1-0 victories since Derby in 2007, creating a new Binary season record in the process, reinforced by their inability to score a single penalty.
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 2, 2019 8:41:30 GMT
By looking at Arter, Stoke are clearly thinking of creating a team of Spoilers who will kick their way to promotion by frustrating and neutralizing their opponents. They will go up on the biggest string of 1-0 victories since Derby in 2007, creating a new Binary season record in the process, reinforced by their inability to score a single penalty. If it gets us promotion then most would be happy with that !! Didnt do us too wrong in the past did it
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Post by numberounominion on Jun 2, 2019 11:06:51 GMT
To me, would be a sensible signing alongside McClean
It's a question of balance and Imo for what it is worth, we are lightweight in terms of players who can put their foot in,and stop the opposition playing.
Would obviously, be better to sign someone who can put their foot in and actually play ( nzonzi eustace etc) but I am fairly sure we only bagged nzonzi because we were in the prem, and fairly sure we only got eustace because he had a terrible injury record and we are the only ones willing to take a chance on him.
We will just have to take the best option available to a side finishing bottom half of the championship.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 2, 2019 11:11:32 GMT
By looking at Arter, Stoke are clearly thinking of creating a team of Spoilers who will kick their way to promotion by frustrating and neutralizing their opponents. They will go up on the biggest string of 1-0 victories since Derby in 2007, creating a new Binary season record in the process, reinforced by their inability to score a single penalty. Really? So Jones has ditched the diamond formation in favour of the sack of coal in the middle system. When did that happen?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 2, 2019 11:19:16 GMT
By looking at Arter, Stoke are clearly thinking of creating a team of Spoilers who will kick their way to promotion by frustrating and neutralizing their opponents. They will go up on the biggest string of 1-0 victories since Derby in 2007, creating a new Binary season record in the process, reinforced by their inability to score a single penalty. If it gets us promotion then most would be happy with that !! Didnt do us too wrong in the past did it Arter was a regular in the free scoring Bournemouth team that got 2 promotions in three years .Arter himself isn’t the issue it’s what event ( departure ) is he a plan for .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 2, 2019 11:22:18 GMT
If it gets us promotion then most would be happy with that !! Didnt do us too wrong in the past did it Arter was a regular in the free scoring Bournemouth team that got 2 promotions in three years .Arter himself isn’t the issue it’s what event ( departure ) is he a plan for . What's your Bournemouth insider say Benj?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 2, 2019 11:26:09 GMT
Arter was a regular in the free scoring Bournemouth team that got 2 promotions in three years .Arter himself isn’t the issue it’s what event ( departure ) is he a plan for . What's your Bournemouth insider say Benj? He is definitely going , seeing Howe this week , they have three clubs who want him definitely ,
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