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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2019 7:13:56 GMT
And if the Caribbean became more white than black, wouldn't it be fair to say it wasn't the same anymore? If Jamaica was suddenly overrun with Danes, Swedes, and Dutch, and they outnumbered the indigenous population, would it be fair then? I think it's a perfectly fair comment, but I knew where it would go as soon as I heard it. "Which random white guy can we have a go at this week?". I suppose the silly walk was a sign of his racist tendencies? 😜 A little known fact tricky is that the black population in the Caribbean is not indigenous. They came over as slaves to work on he sugar plantations , The caribe Indians have disappeared to be replllaced by the Africans Worth adding to this short history, the disappearance of the Carib people was down to the Spanish and their nefarious ways (with a little help from small pox). |
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Post by Northy on May 30, 2019 7:16:59 GMT
I'm sure someone as bright as he his, isn't immune to the utter hypocrisy of complaining that there are too many immigrants in London from his home in the Caribbean?! Surely a wind up? there's a difference between the amount of immigrants though, of which you will obviously know, white British people in London at the last count was only 48% of the population. |
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Post by Gods on May 30, 2019 7:18:50 GMT
London is one of the great cities of the world, as close to a capital for the world as there is, only New York is in the same stratosphere. As Steve Earle said "Ain't no need to go travelling, open the door and the world walks in" It helps this country punch above it's weight and it pays a shit load of tax. Something we should celebrate I would suggest. Nothing wrong with travelling. Its a song mate, you're not meant to take it literally! |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 30, 2019 7:26:17 GMT
And if the Caribbean became more white than black, wouldn't it be fair to say it wasn't the same anymore? If Jamaica was suddenly overrun with Danes, Swedes, and Dutch, and they outnumbered the indigenous population, would it be fair then? I think it's a perfectly fair comment, but I knew where it would go as soon as I heard it. "Which random white guy can we have a go at this week?". I suppose the silly walk was a sign of his racist tendencies? 😜 A little known fact tricky is that the black population in the Caribbean is not indigenous. They came over as slaves to work on he sugar plantations , Bloody economic migrants!  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 30, 2019 8:03:18 GMT
And if the Caribbean became more white than black, wouldn't it be fair to say it wasn't the same anymore? If Jamaica was suddenly overrun with Danes, Swedes, and Dutch, and they outnumbered the indigenous population, would it be fair then? I think it's a perfectly fair comment, but I knew where it would go as soon as I heard it. "Which random white guy can we have a go at this week?". I suppose the silly walk was a sign of his racist tendencies? 😜 A little known fact tricky is that the black population in the Caribbean is not indigenous. They came over as slaves to work on he sugar plantations , The caribe Indians have disappeared to be replllaced by the Africans My bad. You know what I meant, though. People generally don't like change, especially if it happens really quickly. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 30, 2019 8:36:29 GMT
Unless London moves abroad it will always be an English city.
What Cleese is on about is who lives there. It's probably more accurate to see London as a number of Cities within a City.
Kilburn is Irish. Chinatown. Tower Hamlets Somali. Bethnal Green Bangladeshi. Brixton Afro Caribbean etc etc
The posher areas tend to be 'whiter' Kensington, Chelsea, Hampstead etc etc or Middle Eastern.
London is a fascinating place.. A great City.. But you need money to enjoy it.
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2019 8:36:39 GMT
Cleese laments the internationalisation of the capital, changed from his youth populated by cocknies and Londoners to one where foreign influences have altered the culture beyond recognition. I don't think he is being racist, merely feeling nostalgia at the passing of time and the erosion of what once was, the dilution of Britishness. Of course he has a point and to dismiss him as racist misses it. I for one detest cities and would never visit, let alone live in one by choice: far to busy, aggressive, an assault on the senses, truly overwhelming, a sea of faces, a myriad of voices, utter confusion That time never existed though. London was 'full of foreigners' for ever. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 30, 2019 8:53:46 GMT
Cleese laments the internationalisation of the capital, changed from his youth populated by cocknies and Londoners to one where foreign influences have altered the culture beyond recognition. I don't think he is being racist, merely feeling nostalgia at the passing of time and the erosion of what once was, the dilution of Britishness. Of course he has a point and to dismiss him as racist misses it. I for one detest cities and would never visit, let alone live in one by choice: far to busy, aggressive, an assault on the senses, truly overwhelming, a sea of faces, a myriad of voices, utter confusion That time never existed though. London was 'full of foreigners' for ever. I agree with that Lord b, but I think the difference is the rate of change of immigration into London over the last 25 years and the fact that a lot of immigrants in the Capital have no affinity with either London or England. They're there purely for the economic benefits and have no emotional tie whatsoever. |
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2019 8:55:06 GMT
That time never existed though. London was 'full of foreigners' for ever. I agree with that Lord b, but I think the difference is the rate of change of immigration into London over the last 25 years and the fact that a lot of immigrants in the Capital have no affinity with either London or England. They're there purely for the economic benefits and have no emotional tie whatsoever. You could have written that last sentence at any time in the lifespan of John Cleese. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 30, 2019 8:58:29 GMT
Spot on. Particularly about comedians jumping in on the subject. Really lazy comedy, and more virtue signalling. It's also quite cowardly, because these comedians know they will be in the majority, because most of them are left leaning. I am glad Morrissey and Cleese are saying these things, because hardly anyone else is putting the case for white, British people anymore. A black woman on LBC was bemoaning colonialism today; is that all whites have done? She said everything we have like the NHS is built on it. Has she benefited from it? Haven't we all? Just getting tired of people banging on about how shit we are, while choosing to live here. And I think it's perfectly OK for people to not be happy with mass immigration completely changing their towns and cities. Sue me. |
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Post by zerps on May 30, 2019 9:06:48 GMT
Spot on. Particularly about comedians jumping in on the subject. Really lazy comedy, and more virtue signalling. It's also quite cowardly, because these comedians know they will be in the majority, because most of them are left leaning. I am glad Morrissey and Cleese are saying these things, because hardly anyone else is putting the case for white, British people anymore. A black woman on LBC was bemoaning colonialism today; is that all whites have done? She said everything we have like the NHS is built on it. Has she benefited from it? Haven't we all? Just getting tired of people banging on about how shit we are, while choosing to live here. And I think it's perfectly OK for people to not be happy with mass immigration completely changing their towns and cities. Sue me. Well said |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 9:33:17 GMT
Spot on. Particularly about comedians jumping in on the subject. Really lazy comedy, and more virtue signalling. It's also quite cowardly, because these comedians know they will be in the majority, because most of them are left leaning. I am glad Morrissey and Cleese are saying these things, because hardly anyone else is putting the case for white, British people anymore. A black woman on LBC was bemoaning colonialism today; is that all whites have done? She said everything we have like the NHS is built on it. Has she benefited from it? Haven't we all? Just getting tired of people banging on about how shit we are, while choosing to live here. And I think it's perfectly OK for people to not be happy with mass immigration completely changing their towns and cities. Sue me. The problem with far-left colonialism bleating identity politics is that it groups all whites under the same banner and alienates the vast majority who, under a less extreme worldview, should be the natural bedfellows of those who are fighting wealth inequality. Whatever injustices were committed during the age of empire, it’s very important for people to remember that the vast majority of whites were working ungodly amounts of hours in terrible conditions for the financial benefit of very few. The driving force of the empire was not just the conquering of lands abroad, but the suppression of the working class at home which was the driving force behind the industrial revolution at home. Even in modern times, poor indigenous brits are some of the most impoverished and disadvantaged people in Western Europe by many modern definitions of poverty. Telling those people they are beholden to the crimes of a select (many long dead) few is a catastrophic political misstep by the far-left. |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on May 30, 2019 10:26:12 GMT
I’ve noticed an awful lot of cockney accents in Stoke recently. Single mothers by the looks of it, and rough as shit.
I’m guessing that they’ve been given council homes here because London is too expensive. Bloody migrants. Send ‘em back.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 30, 2019 10:33:57 GMT
I’ve noticed an awful lot of cockney accents in Stoke recently. Single mothers by the looks of it, and rough as shit. I’m guessing that they’ve been given council homes here because London is too expensive. Bloody migrants. Send ‘em back. Why not? Housing for Stokies! |
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Post by thevoid on May 30, 2019 10:46:53 GMT
I like London more and more as I get older. Once you come to terms with thing being a bit more expensive, and there being really nowhere to drink after 11.30pm it's a great place to visit. Nowhere to drink after 11.30? Really? |
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Post by Goonie on May 30, 2019 10:52:19 GMT
Cleese laments the internationalisation of the capital, changed from his youth populated by cocknies and Londoners to one where foreign influences have altered the culture beyond recognition. I don't think he is being racist, merely feeling nostalgia at the passing of time and the erosion of what once was, the dilution of Britishness. Of course he has a point and to dismiss him as racist misses it. I for one detest cities and would never visit, let alone live in one by choice: far to busy, aggressive, an assault on the senses, truly overwhelming, a sea of faces, a myriad of voices, utter confusion That time never existed though. London was 'full of foreigners' for ever. Too true Globalisation and the movement of people has always changed native cultures but the last 100 years has accelerated the process dramatically Longton isnt the Longton I grew up in - how could it be? The old bemoan change but change is inevitable Tommy Robinson, like you say, sells the idea of an England that never existed to the angry, bitter disenfranchised who need a group to blame for their own misfortune - 'It'll all end in tears' Adolf Hitler 1945 😁 |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 30, 2019 11:01:02 GMT
I was in Llandudno last week talking to a bloke I know of Italian descent.
"We used to cook all the food in his town during the 1970s..Now it's these bloody Hungarians"
Plus ca change.
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Post by thevoid on May 30, 2019 11:04:32 GMT
Spot on. Particularly about comedians jumping in on the subject. Really lazy comedy, and more virtue signalling. It's also quite cowardly, because these comedians know they will be in the majority, because most of them are left leaning. I am glad Morrissey and Cleese are saying these things, because hardly anyone else is putting the case for white, British people anymore. A black woman on LBC was bemoaning colonialism today; is that all whites have done? She said everything we have like the NHS is built on it. Has she benefited from it? Haven't we all? Just getting tired of people banging on about how shit we are, while choosing to live here. And I think it's perfectly OK for people to not be happy with mass immigration completely changing their towns and cities. Sue me. You'd think we were the only country to have colonies. Why do they speak Dutch and Spanish in parts of the Caribbean/Americas, and French in huge swathes of Africa? Colonialism (and also why North Africans gravitate to France and people from Surinam/Dutch Antilles head to the Netherlands). And of course, let's try and 'white wash' the fact that there were quite a lot of black people who were slavemasters too. |
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Post by thevoid on May 30, 2019 11:10:15 GMT
Nothing wrong with travelling. Its a song mate, you're not meant to take it literally! I wasn't! |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 11:16:15 GMT
I remember Chris Evans having one of the very few pearly kings on his breakfast show and the guy didnt play to the BBC tune
Something like......'all the traditional, proper eastenders have gone. It's just full of foreihners now'
Chris cut in and stopped him dead and apologised for him
He never made it back on air to finish his memoirs 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by chigstoke on May 30, 2019 11:19:05 GMT
TO MANNY WOGS AND MOZLEMNS. FUCK DEM ALL OFF AND MAKES OWER CUNTRY GREAT AGEN! BREXZITZ CUNT APPEN SOON ENUF! (IF UZ DNT SHARE DIS ON FACEBOOKS U R A PEEDO) This post is a tragedy because, it really does gets posted on Facebook by people.
Profile picture is usually a St Georges Cross Must have a English Bulldog featured somewhere. Follows Britain First page on Facebook.
"FUCK OFF BACK HOME YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE, THIS IS OUR LAND AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT BACK, WE'RE BRITISH NOT MUSLAMISTANI"
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Post by thevoid on May 30, 2019 11:25:05 GMT
I'm sure someone as bright as he his, isn't immune to the utter hypocrisy of complaining that there are too many immigrants in London from his home in the Caribbean?! Surely a wind up? And if the Caribbean became more white than black, wouldn't it be fair to say it wasn't the same anymore? If Jamaica was suddenly overrun with Danes, Swedes, and Dutch, and they outnumbered the indigenous population, would it be fair then? I think it's a perfectly fair comment, but I knew where it would go as soon as I heard it. "Which random white guy can we have a go at this week?". I suppose the silly walk was a sign of his racist tendencies? 😜 That's an interesting point- places like the Caribbean, India, Japan are encouraged to celebrate their culture and identity and it would be interesting to see how they'd take to diversity if there was suddenly a mass exodus of ex-pats to those parts of the world from around the globe. People will be protective of their own culture wherever you go in the world- the Welsh used to burn cottages down over it! Tokyo's a brilliant city but it'll never be anything other than fully Japanese and they even have some restaurants with 'No Westerners Allowed' signs outside. I get that some people like the idea of going to the end of their street and being in a melting pot of different cultures, but to me that makes people lazy. The best way of taking in different cultures will always be to travel IMHO. |
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Post by Goonie on May 30, 2019 11:26:49 GMT
Spot on. Particularly about comedians jumping in on the subject. Really lazy comedy, and more virtue signalling. It's also quite cowardly, because these comedians know they will be in the majority, because most of them are left leaning. I am glad Morrissey and Cleese are saying these things, because hardly anyone else is putting the case for white, British people anymore. A black woman on LBC was bemoaning colonialism today; is that all whites have done? She said everything we have like the NHS is built on it. Has she benefited from it? Haven't we all? Just getting tired of people banging on about how shit we are, while choosing to live here. And I think it's perfectly OK for people to not be happy with mass immigration completely changing their towns and cities. Sue me. Great point It's sad to ex-pats have to make the point It's almost like criticising Israel and being called anti-semitic |
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Post by Goonie on May 30, 2019 11:33:00 GMT
Spot on. Particularly about comedians jumping in on the subject. Really lazy comedy, and more virtue signalling. It's also quite cowardly, because these comedians know they will be in the majority, because most of them are left leaning. I am glad Morrissey and Cleese are saying these things, because hardly anyone else is putting the case for white, British people anymore. A black woman on LBC was bemoaning colonialism today; is that all whites have done? She said everything we have like the NHS is built on it. Has she benefited from it? Haven't we all? Just getting tired of people banging on about how shit we are, while choosing to live here. And I think it's perfectly OK for people to not be happy with mass immigration completely changing their towns and cities. Sue me. The problem with far-left colonialism bleating identity politics is that it groups all whites under the same banner and alienates the vast majority who, under a less extreme worldview, should be the natural bedfellows of those who are fighting wealth inequality. Whatever injustices were committed during the age of empire, it’s very important for people to remember that the vast majority of whites were working ungodly amounts of hours in terrible conditions for the financial benefit of very few. The driving force of the empire was not just the conquering of lands abroad, but the suppression of the working class at home which was the driving force behind the industrial revolution at home. Even in modern times, poor indigenous brits are some of the most impoverished and disadvantaged people in Western Europe by many modern definitions of poverty. Telling those people they are beholden to the crimes of a select (many long dead) few is a catastrophic political misstep by the far-left. Very well put I never feel any guilt or shame about colonialism - it wasn't me that did it after all! Should modern, post-war germans feel guilty about Hitler? No - just learn from those mistakes and they have |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 11:38:55 GMT
I’ve noticed an awful lot of cockney accents in Stoke recently. Single mothers by the looks of it, and rough as shit. I’m guessing that they’ve been given council homes here because London is too expensive. Bloody migrants. Send ‘em back. Sorry I don't recall your political views off hand so can't tell whether this comment is purely tongue-in-cheek or a genuine attempt at satire, so apologies if my reply is a misinterpretation of your post. However, if this is a genuine attempt at satire then it's totally misguided. Even if 50k cockney mothers moved to Stoke, whilst there would obviously be a cultural amalgamation of sorts, such as in the case of Liverpool accent/culture changing with large-scale Irish immigration, the key point is that those two cultures are built on a bedrock of Christian and, more pertinently for the modern age, Western values. Where your post (would) totally fail as satire is that it assumes mass immigration of people from places with non-western values is equatable, and essentially no different, with mass-immigration between countries that have those shared underlying bedrocks. This is most starkly demonstrable as untrue when looking at the case of Islamic immigration to the west and the situations we're now facing across Europe, where diametrically opposed cultures exist side by side with almost 0 overlap, despite some of the first waves of that immigration having taken place a lifetime ago. The integration/segregation debate has permeated into mainstream political discourse. How do we integrate communities that naturally segregate? The terrifying possibility is that it may not be possible at all. If you can't see all this yourself then I'm afraid you simply can't see. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 30, 2019 11:51:04 GMT
They were discussing it on GMTV this morning. There was the bloke who plays Citizen Khan, Monty Panesar, Two black news readers and another black women who was moaning about slavery and one white bloke who was Russian. I found it quite ironic!  |
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Post by followyoudown on May 30, 2019 12:38:59 GMT
I like London more and more as I get older. Once you come to terms with thing being a bit more expensive, and there being really nowhere to drink after 11.30pm it's a great place to visit. Nowhere to drink after 11.30? Really? Yeah that really is nonsense I probably go out in central london 5 or 6 times a year at most nowadays but I can still easily find 10+ pubs that open till 1am or 2am nevermind, Smithfield market if you want a 6am drink. |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on May 30, 2019 12:54:51 GMT
I’ve noticed an awful lot of cockney accents in Stoke recently. Single mothers by the looks of it, and rough as shit. I’m guessing that they’ve been given council homes here because London is too expensive. Bloody migrants. Send ‘em back. Sorry I don't recall your political views off hand so can't tell whether this comment is purely tongue-in-cheek or a genuine attempt at satire, so apologies if my reply is a misinterpretation of your post. However, if this is a genuine attempt at satire then it's totally misguided. Even if 50k cockney mothers moved to Stoke, whilst there would obviously be a cultural amalgamation of sorts, such as in the case of Liverpool accent/culture changing with large-scale Irish immigration, the key point is that those two cultures are built on a bedrock of Christian and, more pertinently for the modern age, Western values. Where your post (would) totally fail as satire is that it assumes mass immigration of people from places with non-western values is equatable, and essentially no different, with mass-immigration between countries that have those shared underlying bedrocks. This is most starkly demonstrable as untrue when looking at the case of Islamic immigration to the west and the situations we're now facing across Europe, where diametrically opposed cultures exist side by side with almost 0 overlap, despite some of the first waves of that immigration having taken place a lifetime ago. The integration/segregation debate has permeated into mainstream political discourse. How do we integrate communities that naturally segregate? The terrifying possibility is that it may not be possible at all. If you can't see all this yourself then I'm afraid you simply can't see. Well I’m not Islamophobic for starters, and don’t recognise your description of almost 0 overlap of cultures, the Asians that I live around and work with are more Western with every generation - but it wasn’t an attempt at satire. I’m genuinely uneasy about London sending their poor to Stoke, not because I give a shit about integration or anything, it just feels a bit Hunger Games. |
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Post by eebygum on May 30, 2019 13:00:15 GMT
World destruction speyt abaht destruction. this is eur world destruction, thy life ain't nowt. the 'uman race is becomin eur disgrace. countries are fightin wi' chemical warfare. not geein eur bugga abaht t' fowk whoa li'. nostradamus predicts t' comin o' t' antichrist. hey, skeg art, t' third world nations are ont' rise. the democratic-communist relationship, won't stan' int' way o' t' islamic force. the cieur is lookin for otha detectives. the kgb is smarta than theur think. brainwash mentalities ta control t' system. usin telly 'n movies - religions o' course. yes, t' world is 'eaded for destruction. is it eur nuclear war? wha' eur theur askin for? this is eur world destruction. thy life ain't nowt.
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Post by Eggybread on May 30, 2019 13:07:28 GMT
Love London.
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