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Post by zerps on May 24, 2019 17:08:44 GMT
We’ll never win again, scfc might aswell do a Bolton
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 17:12:13 GMT
We’ll never win again, scfc might aswell do a Bolton A few on here would revel in that.
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Post by RAF on May 24, 2019 17:19:38 GMT
We signed Huth after he helped Middlesbrough get relegated. So what? H Christ on a bike I was simply questioning the poster who said they were the BEST in the championship which clearly they are not otherwise they might have featured in the PFA championship team of the year. I am not saying we shouldn't sign them or they don't have the potential to do OK for us! Furry Muff H
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 18:32:26 GMT
We’ll never win again, scfc might aswell do a Bolton We'd probably have to start losing more to do that. Something that we somehow wasn't very good at last season. The season before was better...
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Post by WorkingclassHero on May 24, 2019 20:20:14 GMT
This thread has been derailed somewhat.
Im ok with all these three potential signings. To me they are sensible.
Last year's were stupid and it is what I said at the time. It was always going to be a 2 year project and the main aim shoukd have been to get rid of the expensive players we had that wouldn't play, and invest in young hungry players complemented with players with champ know how.
We didn't buy superstar players like some are suggesting. We got players in terminal decline Clucas MacLean Williams and Cuco on large wages. Punted 12m on Afobe...... Surely a loan of Brewster would have been far more sensible and 10 big ones on Ince who Hull didn't want. These players were old on big contracts and if we got promoted we'd be looking to replace. In all honesty it was one of the weirdest things I've seen, a recipe for disaster
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Post by wilcopotter on May 24, 2019 20:57:57 GMT
Hughes ruined us, Rowett just made things even worse.
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Post by rawli on May 24, 2019 20:59:55 GMT
Hughes ruined us, Rowett just made things even worse. The process ruined us.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 22:28:39 GMT
Hughes ruined us, Rowett just made things even worse. We ruined us.
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Post by Gods on May 24, 2019 23:16:49 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. About the only apt reply this thread needs. And if we had gone down this route last summer I could just imagine this Mb Doesn’t bare thinking Yes indeed. If the limit of our ambition in the immediate post-Shaq era had been 2 or 3 journeyman from the 3rd flight of English football on a free transfer then World War 3 would have broken out on here The idea was we would hold on to our better players, augment that with some relatively high cost signings and Newcastle and West Ham the thing all the way back to the promised land. It didn't work out like that, but the plan was okay I think
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Post by wilcopotter on May 25, 2019 5:54:21 GMT
Hughes ruined us, Rowett just made things even worse. The process ruined us. Maybe. But wasn’t it the same process when Pulis was manager? I think Hughes& Rowett we’re just shocking at recruitment in general. Hughes did the same at QPR, created a split dressing room. Rowett found himself in a sweet shop for the first time and just went wild buying dodgy stock. One thing about Pulis, he generally recruited well. I think Jones will do similar. Sadly,our sweet shop now seems to be Lidl ie chasing free transfers from Barnsley, Wigan and Millwall. Tragically, we truly are back where we started. Hope next manager isn’t Boskamp.
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2019 6:02:07 GMT
Maybe. But wasn’t it the same process when Pulis was manager? I think Hughes& Rowett we’re just shocking at recruitment in general. Hughes did the same at QPR, created a split dressing room. Rowett found himself in a sweet shop for the first time and just went wild buying dodgy stock. One thing about Pulis, he generally recruited well. I think Jones will do similar. Sadly,our sweet shop now seems to be Lidl ie chasing free transfers from Barnsley, Wigan and Millwall. Tragically, we truly are back where we started. Hope next manager isn’t Boskamp. They are only free transfers because they’ve chosen to leave their respective clubs, all three have been offered new improved terms and all their clubs are desperate for them to stay ......it’s nothing like the Boskamp era Many players have signed for the top clubs in the world using the exact same method It’s called a Bosman
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Post by slicko on May 25, 2019 6:25:01 GMT
Pulis constructed us Hughes dismantled us Lambert consoled is Rowett abused us Jones constructed us
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Post by wilcopotter on May 25, 2019 6:59:37 GMT
Maybe. But wasn’t it the same process when Pulis was manager? I think Hughes& Rowett we’re just shocking at recruitment in general. Hughes did the same at QPR, created a split dressing room. Rowett found himself in a sweet shop for the first time and just went wild buying dodgy stock. One thing about Pulis, he generally recruited well. I think Jones will do similar. Sadly,our sweet shop now seems to be Lidl ie chasing free transfers from Barnsley, Wigan and Millwall. Tragically, we truly are back where we started. Hope next manager isn’t Boskamp. They are only free transfers because they’ve chosen to leave their respective clubs, all three have been offered new improved terms and all their clubs are desperate for them to stay ......it’s nothing like the Boskamp era Many players have signed for the top clubs in the world using the exact same method It’s called a Bosman True, but I’m not sure top clubs get their Bosnian signings fro the likes of Barnsley, they tend to pay big money for a prospect, unless they’re a bit thick like our lot who tend to give them away cheaply. Anyway, hope you’re right and it’s all good.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 7:14:12 GMT
They are only free transfers because they’ve chosen to leave their respective clubs, all three have been offered new improved terms and all their clubs are desperate for them to stay ......it’s nothing like the Boskamp era Many players have signed for the top clubs in the world using the exact same method It’s called a Bosman True, but I’m not sure top clubs get their Bosnian signings fro the likes of Barnsley, they tend to pay big money for a prospect, unless they’re a bit thick like our lot who tend to give them away cheaply. Anyway, hope you’re right and it’s all good. Correct. Top clubs get their Bosnian signings from clubs in Bosnia.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2019 7:30:18 GMT
They are only free transfers because they’ve chosen to leave their respective clubs, all three have been offered new improved terms and all their clubs are desperate for them to stay ......it’s nothing like the Boskamp era Many players have signed for the top clubs in the world using the exact same method It’s called a Bosman True, but I’m not sure top clubs get their Bosnian signings fro the likes of Barnsley, they tend to pay big money for a prospect, unless they’re a bit thick like our lot who tend to give them away cheaply. Anyway, hope you’re right and it’s all good. The top scorer in the Championship this season was a Bosman. McGoldrick at Sheffield Utd was a Bosman too. Neither came from a powerhouse of world football, one came from the Danish league, one came from Ipswich.
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Post by wilcopotter on May 25, 2019 7:42:12 GMT
True, but I’m not sure top clubs get their Bosnian signings fro the likes of Barnsley, they tend to pay big money for a prospect, unless they’re a bit thick like our lot who tend to give them away cheaply. Anyway, hope you’re right and it’s all good. Correct. Top clubs get their Bosnian signings from clubs in Bosnia. Judging from the post above, these Bosman’s are better than the Bosnians I was on about😉
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Post by blackpoolred on May 25, 2019 8:49:04 GMT
The one thing I will say. These do feel like the kind of signings we should have been making last summer. The best of the champ on frees on sensible wages. Not spunking money on old premier failures on massive long contracts. Rowett really was clueless With exactly the same squad as Rowett plus £15 million of his own signings NJ managed to amass 19pts, while Rowett picked up 36pts - almost double NJ. Yet Rowett was clueless and NJ according to you and almost every other fan and unfortunately the Coates family is our saviour I know a lot of people blame Rowett for everything because he was, apparently, disrespectful to the club and fans, but we are in danger of missing what is right in front of our nose: And that is a manager who is miles out of his depth. We have gone back to the team pre-Rowett that was utterly incapable of winning a football match, heck we are having trouble scoring a goal. Every stat points to a man who is drowning at this level and our club: We went nearly 300 minutes without creating an attempt on goal, 5 matches without scoring. He watched his only left-back go in the last window and forgot to replace him leaving us with no left-back at all, that sort of thing resembling another Welsh wizard who used to manage us. We were told he likes youth and will only pick a breed of players that is willing to die for the cause, his signings so far are a 30 year old striker from a relegated club, a tier 3 goalkeeper, a 28 year old centre-half that was not deemed good enough at this level by Wolves and Middlesbrough, a 30 year old striker from Burnley who has been far from a regular and toward the end of the season he preferred his predecessors choice as center-forward and he apparently is trying to entice Ndiaye to come back(a player who clearly does not want to play for us and is bad for the dressing room) Why are these the right type of signing? And please don’t tell me he is massively underperforming because of the mess Rowett left. Rowett picked up a squad that needed replacing in its entirety either because the players were old, crocked, had appalling attitudes or all 3 and was never going to turn the club around in 1 window. Let us not forget that players like Williams and Cuco came to the club because the transfer team failed on every one of Rowlett’s defensive targets. On the whole, Rowett did a good job and got the club up and running again with a bit of a team ethos and got us actually competing/winning football matches again and for me would have been a decent man to rebuild the club over time. I certainly would not describe Rowett as clueless – NJ on the other hand
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2019 9:22:47 GMT
The one thing I will say. These do feel like the kind of signings we should have been making last summer. The best of the champ on frees on sensible wages. Not spunking money on old premier failures on massive long contracts. Rowett really was clueless With exactly the same squad as Rowett plus £15 million of his own signings NJ managed to amass 19pts, while Rowett picked up 36pts - almost double NJ. Yet Rowett was clueless and NJ according to you and almost every other fan and unfortunately the Coates family is our saviour I know a lot of people blame Rowett for everything because he was, apparently, disrespectful to the club and fans, but we are in danger of missing what is right in front of our nose: And that is a manager who is miles out of his depth. We have gone back to the team pre-Rowett that was utterly incapable of winning a football match, heck we are having trouble scoring a goal. Every stat points to a man who is drowning at this level and our club: We went nearly 300 minutes without creating an attempt on goal, 5 matches without scoring. He watched his only left-back go in the last window and forgot to replace him leaving us with no left-back at all, that sort of thing resembling another Welsh wizard who used to manage us. We were told he likes youth and will only pick a breed of players that is willing to die for the cause, his signings so far are a 30 year old striker from a relegated club, a tier 3 goalkeeper, a 28 year old centre-half that was not deemed good enough at this level by Wolves and Middlesbrough, a 30 year old striker from Burnley who has been far from a regular and toward the end of the season he preferred his predecessors choice as center-forward and he apparently is trying to entice Ndiaye to come back(a player who clearly does not want to play for us and is bad for the dressing room) Why are these the right type of signing? And please don’t tell me he is massively underperforming because of the mess Rowett left. Rowett picked up a squad that needed replacing in its entirety either because the players were old, crocked, had appalling attitudes or all 3 and was never going to turn the club around in 1 window. Let us not forget that players like Williams and Cuco came to the club because the transfer team failed on every one of Rowlett’s defensive targets. On the whole, Rowett did a good job and got the club up and running again with a bit of a team ethos and got us actually competing/winning football matches again and for me would have been a decent man to rebuild the club over time. I certainly would not describe Rowett as clueless – NJ on the other hand Stop. Peddling. This. Shite.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 9:23:25 GMT
The one thing I will say. These do feel like the kind of signings we should have been making last summer. The best of the champ on frees on sensible wages. Not spunking money on old premier failures on massive long contracts. Rowett really was clueless With exactly the same squad as Rowett plus £15 million of his own signings NJ managed to amass 19pts, while Rowett picked up 36pts - almost double NJ. Yet Rowett was clueless and NJ according to you and almost every other fan and unfortunately the Coates family is our saviour I know a lot of people blame Rowett for everything because he was, apparently, disrespectful to the club and fans, but we are in danger of missing what is right in front of our nose: And that is a manager who is miles out of his depth. We have gone back to the team pre-Rowett that was utterly incapable of winning a football match, heck we are having trouble scoring a goal. Every stat points to a man who is drowning at this level and our club: We went nearly 300 minutes without creating an attempt on goal, 5 matches without scoring. He watched his only left-back go in the last window and forgot to replace him leaving us with no left-back at all, that sort of thing resembling another Welsh wizard who used to manage us. We were told he likes youth and will only pick a breed of players that is willing to die for the cause, his signings so far are a 30 year old striker from a relegated club, a tier 3 goalkeeper, a 28 year old centre-half that was not deemed good enough at this level by Wolves and Middlesbrough, a 30 year old striker from Burnley who has been far from a regular and toward the end of the season he preferred his predecessors choice as center-forward and he apparently is trying to entice Ndiaye to come back(a player who clearly does not want to play for us and is bad for the dressing room) Why are these the right type of signing? And please don’t tell me he is massively underperforming because of the mess Rowett left. Rowett picked up a squad that needed replacing in its entirety either because the players were old, crocked, had appalling attitudes or all 3 and was never going to turn the club around in 1 window. Let us not forget that players like Williams and Cuco came to the club because the transfer team failed on every one of Rowlett’s defensive targets. On the whole, Rowett did a good job and got the club up and running again with a bit of a team ethos and got us actually competing/winning football matches again and for me would have been a decent man to rebuild the club over time. I certainly would not describe Rowett as clueless – NJ on the other hand GR could've been Sir Alf, Sir Alex, and Waddington all rolled into one, and he would still have had to be sacked because his people skills were just not acceptable. There's very little decency about him. I quite agree with several of your points about the current manager, and yet I've stated that it would be catastrophic if we sacked him or he left because he'd get a better job. Because if we want Stoke to gain some degree of stability we simply can't keep changing managers, and with those changes, bringing in players who are then going be ill fits for the next manager. When you bring in a young manager, or for that matter a young player, you have to allow them to make their way, even if they make glaring mistakes along the way. Now whether Jones is prepared to let young players make mistakes does unfortunately not appear to be the case, but even so we have to let Jones find his feet over a sizeable period of time. I've stated that we should keep faith with him even if we get relegated next season, as long as the board can see that the club as a whole is moving forwards, bit by bit, from the doldrums that have been consistent over the last few seasons. That said I agree that Jones has to make good on some of the exceptionally many lofty promises he made on arrival. Let's just start by playing pretty and winning games, as foreign as that may sound...
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2019 9:24:14 GMT
With exactly the same squad as Rowett plus £15 million of his own signings NJ managed to amass 19pts, while Rowett picked up 36pts - almost double NJ. Yet Rowett was clueless and NJ according to you and almost every other fan and unfortunately the Coates family is our saviour I know a lot of people blame Rowett for everything because he was, apparently, disrespectful to the club and fans, but we are in danger of missing what is right in front of our nose: And that is a manager who is miles out of his depth. We have gone back to the team pre-Rowett that was utterly incapable of winning a football match, heck we are having trouble scoring a goal. Every stat points to a man who is drowning at this level and our club: We went nearly 300 minutes without creating an attempt on goal, 5 matches without scoring. He watched his only left-back go in the last window and forgot to replace him leaving us with no left-back at all, that sort of thing resembling another Welsh wizard who used to manage us. We were told he likes youth and will only pick a breed of players that is willing to die for the cause, his signings so far are a 30 year old striker from a relegated club, a tier 3 goalkeeper, a 28 year old centre-half that was not deemed good enough at this level by Wolves and Middlesbrough, a 30 year old striker from Burnley who has been far from a regular and toward the end of the season he preferred his predecessors choice as center-forward and he apparently is trying to entice Ndiaye to come back(a player who clearly does not want to play for us and is bad for the dressing room) Why are these the right type of signing? And please don’t tell me he is massively underperforming because of the mess Rowett left. Rowett picked up a squad that needed replacing in its entirety either because the players were old, crocked, had appalling attitudes or all 3 and was never going to turn the club around in 1 window. Let us not forget that players like Williams and Cuco came to the club because the transfer team failed on every one of Rowlett’s defensive targets. On the whole, Rowett did a good job and got the club up and running again with a bit of a team ethos and got us actually competing/winning football matches again and for me would have been a decent man to rebuild the club over time. I certainly would not describe Rowett as clueless – NJ on the other hand Stop. Peddling. This. Shite. He said Stoke were bigger than Liverpool many years ago when they were struggling....it’s what you’re up against mate
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 9:26:23 GMT
Stop. Peddling. This. Shite. He said Stoke were bigger than Liverpool many years ago when they were struggling....it’s what you’re up against mate I wouldn’t even bother with him and a couple of others.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 25, 2019 9:26:59 GMT
With exactly the same squad as Rowett plus £15 million of his own signings NJ managed to amass 19pts, while Rowett picked up 36pts - almost double NJ. Yet Rowett was clueless and NJ according to you and almost every other fan and unfortunately the Coates family is our saviour I know a lot of people blame Rowett for everything because he was, apparently, disrespectful to the club and fans, but we are in danger of missing what is right in front of our nose: And that is a manager who is miles out of his depth. We have gone back to the team pre-Rowett that was utterly incapable of winning a football match, heck we are having trouble scoring a goal. Every stat points to a man who is drowning at this level and our club: We went nearly 300 minutes without creating an attempt on goal, 5 matches without scoring. He watched his only left-back go in the last window and forgot to replace him leaving us with no left-back at all, that sort of thing resembling another Welsh wizard who used to manage us. We were told he likes youth and will only pick a breed of players that is willing to die for the cause, his signings so far are a 30 year old striker from a relegated club, a tier 3 goalkeeper, a 28 year old centre-half that was not deemed good enough at this level by Wolves and Middlesbrough, a 30 year old striker from Burnley who has been far from a regular and toward the end of the season he preferred his predecessors choice as center-forward and he apparently is trying to entice Ndiaye to come back(a player who clearly does not want to play for us and is bad for the dressing room) Why are these the right type of signing? And please don’t tell me he is massively underperforming because of the mess Rowett left. Rowett picked up a squad that needed replacing in its entirety either because the players were old, crocked, had appalling attitudes or all 3 and was never going to turn the club around in 1 window. Let us not forget that players like Williams and Cuco came to the club because the transfer team failed on every one of Rowlett’s defensive targets. On the whole, Rowett did a good job and got the club up and running again with a bit of a team ethos and got us actually competing/winning football matches again and for me would have been a decent man to rebuild the club over time. I certainly would not describe Rowett as clueless – NJ on the other hand I've stated that we should keep faith with him even if we get relegated next season, . Eh?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 9:59:12 GMT
I've stated that we should keep faith with him even if we get relegated next season, . Eh? History is full of teams that profited in the long run from going down and then gained experience and quality in going up. We're obviously not good enough to go up this season, and as there is no/very little middle ground in this division, our target is going to be to fight against relegation, but, as I say, even if we lose in the short run, we may win in the longer.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 10:00:27 GMT
We’ll never win again, scfc might aswell do a Bolton A few on here would revel in that. Sorensen speaking about himself in the 3rd person plural.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 25, 2019 10:02:29 GMT
Eh? History is full of teams that profited in the long run from going down and then gained experience and quality in going up. We're obviously not good enough to go up this season, and as there is no/very little middle ground in this division, our target is going to be to fight against relegation, but, as I say, even if we lose in the short run, we may win in the longer. If we're in a relegation battle at Christmas he will be hounded out and rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 10:04:08 GMT
A few on here would revel in that. Sorensen speaking about himself in the 3rd person plural. Right on cue.
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Post by tony1234 on May 25, 2019 11:04:45 GMT
Don't agree, at the time Clucas Afobe Williams Martina did not seem like astute business. I give you Ince seneed expensive but shoukd do a job I think your opinion is still being heavily influenced by what ended up happening. Everyone was buzzing about Afobe, bringing up his stats, talking about how great a deal we had got considering he had completed a permanent move not long before moving to Stoke. Getting Williams on loan didn't seem a bad idea at the time, once he had played a few games though we quickly realised he wasn't the standard he used to be. Martina I will give you, that was baffling from day one. But then again, we all expected Bauer to be the #1 after his good spell at the tail end of the previous season, so Martina was competition for all defensive positions. Clucas well, he had pedigree. The problem was we signed an injured player and we didn't get to see him until a third of the season had passed. I will add one that I am sure most will agree with, McClean. Dubious from the beginning and he didn't fail to deliver on our expectations. Pretty useless signing and offers next to nothing. As has been indicated already on this thread, a super rich outfit, who were favourites for the title and to bounce straight back up, were EXPECTED to spend money. If we had taken a load of free transfers on, I imagine the support would have turned nastier towards Rowett a hell of a lot sooner than it actually did. No, i don't see that at all. There is always a group of supporters who damn everything, and a group that welcome everything and urge that we get behind every move. Clucas seemed a strange one and not what we needed. Afobe seemed expensive and was a disappointment after Gayle's links. Ince seemed expensive and perhaps a little a disappointment after Ritchie, but complete agree with WorkingClassHero. Few wanted Maclean or Cuco or Williams. Im not claiming Doris Stokes like powers here, but saw the team Rowett built as capable of 55 goals max - and therefore a mid table finish. It was simple logic based on the scoring and creative prowess of the players we'd bought and their records over 5+ years. The same logic that said no player has ever returned after the spell Berahinho has had to become a useful player again, so he won't. And that Bojan had only played 20+ games in about 2 of the last 10 seasons, so he won't be an answer either. I'd say this season was very foreseeable once last summer's transfer dealings were done. After watching Sunderland til I die on Netflix, the blessing is that it could have been worse.
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Post by tony1234 on May 25, 2019 11:21:13 GMT
The one thing I will say. These do feel like the kind of signings we should have been making last summer. The best of the champ on frees on sensible wages. Not spunking money on old premier failures on massive long contracts. Rowett really was clueless With exactly the same squad as Rowett plus £15 million of his own signings NJ managed to amass 19pts, while Rowett picked up 36pts - almost double NJ. Yet Rowett was clueless and NJ according to you and almost every other fan and unfortunately the Coates family is our saviour I know a lot of people blame Rowett for everything because he was, apparently, disrespectful to the club and fans, but we are in danger of missing what is right in front of our nose: And that is a manager who is miles out of his depth. We have gone back to the team pre-Rowett that was utterly incapable of winning a football match, heck we are having trouble scoring a goal. Every stat points to a man who is drowning at this level and our club: We went nearly 300 minutes without creating an attempt on goal, 5 matches without scoring. He watched his only left-back go in the last window and forgot to replace him leaving us with no left-back at all, that sort of thing resembling another Welsh wizard who used to manage us. We were told he likes youth and will only pick a breed of players that is willing to die for the cause, his signings so far are a 30 year old striker from a relegated club, a tier 3 goalkeeper, a 28 year old centre-half that was not deemed good enough at this level by Wolves and Middlesbrough, a 30 year old striker from Burnley who has been far from a regular and toward the end of the season he preferred his predecessors choice as center-forward and he apparently is trying to entice Ndiaye to come back(a player who clearly does not want to play for us and is bad for the dressing room) Why are these the right type of signing? And please don’t tell me he is massively underperforming because of the mess Rowett left. Rowett picked up a squad that needed replacing in its entirety either because the players were old, crocked, had appalling attitudes or all 3 and was never going to turn the club around in 1 window. Let us not forget that players like Williams and Cuco came to the club because the transfer team failed on every one of Rowlett’s defensive targets. On the whole, Rowett did a good job and got the club up and running again with a bit of a team ethos and got us actually competing/winning football matches again and for me would have been a decent man to rebuild the club over time. I certainly would not describe Rowett as clueless – NJ on the other hand Agree. Though am really pulled between wanting to be fair minded and recognise that I could be wrong about NJ (and he is a young guy who will get it right with time) - after all, what do I know? Vs. he just doesn't have the experiences and skills for a club of our size and challenge and since he joined, he has being demonstrating as much (despite not yet having resources to implement his team). I just watched Sunderland til I Die - it was interesting to see the parallels there, though Elis Short stopped spending in their first year down, unlike Coates who invested last year. However, what looked similar was the hope and anticiation that fans placed firstly in Grayson at the start of the season, before people turned angrily on him half way through. And latterly Chris Coleman. From the moment he arrived he was treated as a new dawn. Up until he left, Coleman could do very little wrong with the fans. It was almost as if they couldn't accept that he was failing too - the fans said things like, "we've appointed a top drawer manager, but have poor players and haven't backed him". So, blame was squarely placed elsewhere- lazy players, mercenary loans, and chairmen. That might be right, but there was a collective mass sentiment. It was almost too painful to comtemplate that Coleman, like Grayson, was just another passing character in a longer drama about a club's demise, unable to affect it, despite rousing speeches that appeared to pluck words from a bucket that included "passion, heart, brilliant club, brilliant city, give fans something to be excited about, stick together, game at a time,...." There is a "process" or hype curve in fans acceptance of a manager, and its a pretty similar process in others in like, including both new technology and love! (Does the picture below ring any bells?!)
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Post by MilanStokie on May 25, 2019 11:46:08 GMT
I think your opinion is still being heavily influenced by what ended up happening. Everyone was buzzing about Afobe, bringing up his stats, talking about how great a deal we had got considering he had completed a permanent move not long before moving to Stoke. Getting Williams on loan didn't seem a bad idea at the time, once he had played a few games though we quickly realised he wasn't the standard he used to be. Martina I will give you, that was baffling from day one. But then again, we all expected Bauer to be the #1 after his good spell at the tail end of the previous season, so Martina was competition for all defensive positions. Clucas well, he had pedigree. The problem was we signed an injured player and we didn't get to see him until a third of the season had passed. I will add one that I am sure most will agree with, McClean. Dubious from the beginning and he didn't fail to deliver on our expectations. Pretty useless signing and offers next to nothing. As has been indicated already on this thread, a super rich outfit, who were favourites for the title and to bounce straight back up, were EXPECTED to spend money. If we had taken a load of free transfers on, I imagine the support would have turned nastier towards Rowett a hell of a lot sooner than it actually did. No, i don't see that at all. There is always a group of supporters who damn everything, and a group that welcome everything and urge that we get behind every move. Clucas seemed a strange one and not what we needed. Afobe seemed expensive and was a disappointment after Gayle's links. Ince seemed expensive and perhaps a little a disappointment after Ritchie, but complete agree with WorkingClassHero. Few wanted Maclean or Cuco or Williams. Im not claiming Doris Stokes like powers here, but saw the team Rowett built as capable of 55 goals max - and therefore a mid table finish. It was simple logic based on the scoring and creative prowess of the players we'd bought and their records over 5+ years. The same logic that said no player has ever returned after the spell Berahinho has had to become a useful player again, so he won't. And that Bojan had only played 20+ games in about 2 of the last 10 seasons, so he won't be an answer either. I'd say this season was very foreseeable once last summer's transfer dealings were done. After watching Sunderland til I die on Netflix, the blessing is that it could have been worse. So what you are saying is, we should have signed the pick of the free transfers, Despite having 50m to spend? Alright. Going off the general mood on here at the time of the transfers: Afobe - Most were excited, citing his record at this level. Williams - Mixed, but always will be when you loan someone in their 30s! Clucas - Arguably didn't need him, especially as he was injured. But the logic was he had done well at this level and could cover numerous positions. Martina - Most didn't get this loan from the start. He turned out to be terrible. Etebo - Genuine excitement across the fanbase after a positive world cup. McClean - Pretty much united the fanbase.... against him. Ince - Like Afobe, the general feeling was that of excitement with many citing his previous seasons at this level and his goal and assists tally over the years. Woods - Signing the player of the season at a genuinely exciting team filled the majority of us with hope. No one saw it coming how flat he turned out. Quite mixed overall, but I don't think many expected to go quite as bad as it did. So I stand by my first reply, this concept of what we should have actually done is purely based on hindsight.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on May 25, 2019 12:10:55 GMT
No, i don't see that at all. There is always a group of supporters who damn everything, and a group that welcome everything and urge that we get behind every move. Clucas seemed a strange one and not what we needed. Afobe seemed expensive and was a disappointment after Gayle's links. Ince seemed expensive and perhaps a little a disappointment after Ritchie, but complete agree with WorkingClassHero. Few wanted Maclean or Cuco or Williams. Im not claiming Doris Stokes like powers here, but saw the team Rowett built as capable of 55 goals max - and therefore a mid table finish. It was simple logic based on the scoring and creative prowess of the players we'd bought and their records over 5+ years. The same logic that said no player has ever returned after the spell Berahinho has had to become a useful player again, so he won't. And that Bojan had only played 20+ games in about 2 of the last 10 seasons, so he won't be an answer either. I'd say this season was very foreseeable once last summer's transfer dealings were done. After watching Sunderland til I die on Netflix, the blessing is that it could have been worse. So what you are saying is, we should have signed the pick of the free transfers, Despite having 50m to spend? Alright. Going off the general mood on here at the time of the transfers: Afobe - Most were excited, citing his record at this level. Williams - Mixed, but always will be when you loan someone in their 30s! Clucas - Arguably didn't need him, especially as he was injured. But the logic was he had done well at this level and could cover numerous positions. Martina - Most didn't get this loan from the start. He turned out to be terrible. Etebo - Genuine excitement across the fanbase after a positive world cup. McClean - Pretty much united the fanbase.... against him. Ince - Like Afobe, the general feeling was that of excitement with many citing his previous seasons at this level and his goal and assists tally over the years. Woods - Signing the player of the season at a genuinely exciting team filled the majority of us with hope. No one saw it coming how flat he turned out. Quite mixed overall, but I don't think many expected to go quite as bad as it did. So I stand by my first reply, this concept of what we should have actually done is purely based on hindsight. We were allegedly after Gayle and Ritchie who would have been top notch signings at champ level and potentially would have been worth spinning the cash on in an attempt to get up first time. Once that boat had sailed we shoukd have changed strategy instead what we were left with was very expensive championship signings. Afobe and Ince would never cut it in the prem and spending 25m plus wages on them was crazy.
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