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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 3, 2019 17:39:11 GMT
Awful from Mo
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 3, 2019 17:44:37 GMT
When the pressure is on England always find a way of bottling it.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 3, 2019 17:45:38 GMT
The tail is much too long, with Moeen badly out of form we only bat down to No.6.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:46:05 GMT
I didn't expect us to lose today but some of the performances, especially Roy, have been pretty woeful.
Apart from most of the Aussies, if there is one player I really can't stand in this World Cup it's Sarfaraz, so a defeat is doubly annoying and disappointing.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 3, 2019 17:50:23 GMT
Kick up the arse, hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:50:54 GMT
The tail is much too long, with Moeen badly out of form we only bat down to No.6. Stokes and Moeen both batting a place too high for me. No alternative without affecting the balance with the ball though.....
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Post by professorplump on Jun 3, 2019 18:19:09 GMT
Disappointing defeat but I think it was our bowling and fielding which cost us more than the batting. An easy catch dropped plus too many misfields and overthrows. Also think we bowled too much short pitched bowling. This might give them the wake up call that they need. Puts a bit of pressure on to the next game.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 3, 2019 18:27:03 GMT
Trent Bridge is the definition of a road, surprised we didn't bat first and aim for a high 370-400 score. Was it at a different Trent Bridge that the West Indies bowled out Pakistan for 105 on Friday? The problem today was that England were too complacent in all aspects of the game, especially the bowling, which was lack-lustre and the fielding, which was mediocre at best.
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Post by stoke111 on Jun 3, 2019 18:42:39 GMT
Said at the start of the tournament that England’s bowling is a weakness and at least one game their batting won’t be able to bail them out. Hopefully it’s just the one game! I’m still a fan of setting a total and using scoreboard pressure to help our attack.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 3, 2019 19:07:58 GMT
Today showed how important fielding is in this format. We would have won that comfortably if we fielded as well as we did against South Africa.
Morgan needs to grow a pair and bat first when we are met with conditions like today. We have twice recently set the world record batting first at Trent Bridge. It’s no good talking about how fearless our batting is and how we’re targeting 500 if we’re going to bowl first every time we win the toss.
Hopefully today was just a blip and will be the kick up the backside we need.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 3, 2019 19:42:55 GMT
Trent Bridge is the definition of a road, surprised we didn't bat first and aim for a high 370-400 score. Was it at a different Trent Bridge that the West Indies bowled out Pakistan for 105 on Friday? The problem today was that England were too complacent in all aspects of the game, especially the bowling, which was lack-lustre and the fielding, which was mediocre at best. It was on a used pitch on a sub baked morning, domestic sides and England (2 400+ scores) rack up the runs here. I agree the bowling was poor and complacent, and the fielding cost us the game but I feel we could have absolutely ran away with that one batting first.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 3, 2019 19:57:11 GMT
As annoying as it is to lose I actually enjoyed today as just a good day of cricket.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 3, 2019 20:55:40 GMT
Bowling was shown up a bit today. Don’t think it’s that strong really - at least 4 or 5 nations can match or better it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 3, 2019 21:32:20 GMT
Went today and Pakistan were excellent. Their captain's use of his bowlers was far better than ours and their fielding was as unusually good as our was unusually pathetic.
Sorry to say there was a huge dollop of complacency in that side today.
Hopefully a kick in the nads that will be heeded.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 3, 2019 21:36:56 GMT
Went today and Pakistan were excellent. Theit captain's use of his bowlers was far better than ours and their fielding was as unusually good as our was unusually pathetic. Sorry to say there was a huge dollop of complacency in that side today. Hopefully a kick in the nads that will be heeded. We defo beat ourselves today. Too many wides for height because we were convinced they’d crumble to short pitch bowling, too many misses in the field and of course Roy dropping Hafeez. This England team has one bad game in 10 in them, and I’m hoping it was this one. None of this should take any credit away from Pakistan though, they were excellent.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 3, 2019 22:01:08 GMT
The tail is much too long, with Moeen badly out of form we only bat down to No.6. Stokes and Moeen both batting a place too high for me. No alternative without affecting the balance with the ball though..... I think you are right. Butler at 5, Stokes at 6 makes good sense. Unfortunately, Mo simply doesn't these days. His batting is woeful, and we have better spinners. He should be dropped in favour of us playing another quick or our reserve spinner.
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Post by stokieinaus on Jun 3, 2019 22:38:59 GMT
I didn't expect us to lose today but some of the performances, especially Roy, have been pretty woeful. Apart from most of the Aussies, if there is one player I really can't stand in this World Cup it's Sarfaraz, so a defeat is doubly annoying and disappointing. If you cant stand the Aussies now, you dislike them even more at the end of this world cup, they are the team to beat and personally, I think they will win it. They can handle pressure and their fielding is consistently good. England today as on many other occasions when it matters, fail to perform in all areas, the bowling and fielding was awful, you cant keep chasing down big totals.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 4, 2019 0:13:22 GMT
Stokes and Moeen both batting a place too high for me. No alternative without affecting the balance with the ball though..... I think you are right. Butler at 5, Stokes at 6 makes good sense. Unfortunately, Mo simply doesn't these days. His batting is woeful, and we have better spinners. He should be dropped in favour of us playing another quick or our reserve spinner. To be honest, I thought Mo was our best bowler in this match. I agree though that his batting has declined significantly. I would like to get Curran into the side but not sure who I would leave out. It would probably have to be either Woakes or Wood.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 3:51:42 GMT
I didn't expect us to lose today but some of the performances, especially Roy, have been pretty woeful. Apart from most of the Aussies, if there is one player I really can't stand in this World Cup it's Sarfaraz, so a defeat is doubly annoying and disappointing. If you cant stand the Aussies now, you dislike them even more at the end of this world cup, they are the team to beat and personally, I think they will win it. They can handle pressure and their fielding is consistently good. England today as on many other occasions when it matters, fail to perform in all areas, the bowling and fielding was awful, you cant keep chasing down big totals. I agree. With Smith and Warner back I think the Aussies have a good chance of winning it. I agree with your comments about England as well, why didn't they bat first and put the pressure on Pakistan with a (hopefully) big total ? I can't see England winning it. It'll be interesting to see just how good India are when they finally play.
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Post by stokieinaus on Jun 4, 2019 5:43:30 GMT
If you cant stand the Aussies now, you dislike them even more at the end of this world cup, they are the team to beat and personally, I think they will win it. They can handle pressure and their fielding is consistently good. England today as on many other occasions when it matters, fail to perform in all areas, the bowling and fielding was awful, you cant keep chasing down big totals. I agree. With Smith and Warner back I think the Aussies have a good chance of winning it. I agree with your comments about England as well, why didn't they bat first and put the pressure on Pakistan with a (hopefully) big total ? I can't see England winning it. It'll be interesting to see just how good India are when they finally play. India are a one man team, not saying they dont have good players in the team, I just think everything revolves around Kohli. That's their biggest problem, I dont think hes a good captain, just a very good batsman. I thought yesterdays game was great for the game (regardless of result), I think Trent Bridge is a very good one day cricket ground. Looking forward to Thursday when the Aussies take on the West Indies, should be a cracker.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 6:31:39 GMT
Stokes and Moeen both batting a place too high for me. No alternative without affecting the balance with the ball though..... I think you are right. Butler at 5, Stokes at 6 makes good sense. Unfortunately, Mo simply doesn't these days. His batting is woeful, and we have better spinners. He should be dropped in favour of us playing another quick or our reserve spinner. Harsh mate re: his bowling it was excellent yesterday. In the longer format I wouldn’t disagree though....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 6:33:13 GMT
I think you are right. Butler at 5, Stokes at 6 makes good sense. Unfortunately, Mo simply doesn't these days. His batting is woeful, and we have better spinners. He should be dropped in favour of us playing another quick or our reserve spinner. To be honest, I thought Mo was our best bowler in this match. I agree though that his batting has declined significantly. I would like to get Curran into the side but not sure who I would leave out. It would probably have to be either Woakes or Wood.
Archer will be a massive asset going forward but I don’t think he’s a shoo in just yet, his bowling was quick but ordinary yesterday.....
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 4, 2019 8:45:17 GMT
I think you are right. Butler at 5, Stokes at 6 makes good sense. Unfortunately, Mo simply doesn't these days. His batting is woeful, and we have better spinners. He should be dropped in favour of us playing another quick or our reserve spinner. Harsh mate re: his bowling it was excellent yesterday. In the longer format I wouldn’t disagree though.... Harsh based on his bowling yesterday I agree. But not harsh based on his bowling for the past year or so. And not harsh in that Dawson is a far superior bowler and, on current form, a better batsman. Consistency in selection is generally a good thing, but it ain't a sacred rule. Time to make this change imo.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 4, 2019 9:14:17 GMT
Fancy Afghanistan today....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 10:05:54 GMT
Harsh mate re: his bowling it was excellent yesterday. In the longer format I wouldn’t disagree though.... Harsh based on his bowling yesterday I agree. But not harsh based on his bowling for the past year or so. And not harsh in that Dawson is a far superior bowler and, on current form, a better batsman. Consistency in selection is generally a good thing, but it ain't a sacred rule. Time to make this change imo. His economy rate of just over 5 is excellent, in One Day cricket we have far more issues bowling wise than Moeen. I like Dawson, he’ll get his chance over a long group stage up to him to take it.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 4, 2019 10:57:27 GMT
Fancy Afghanistan today.... Or not!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 11:44:59 GMT
Fancy Afghanistan today.... Or not! Hold your horses it’s back on!!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 4, 2019 12:13:06 GMT
Hold your horses it’s back on!! Just love this Afghan side, never look like they're having anything other than a good time and when you consider they played their first ODI just ten years ago, they've surpassed all but the 5-6 very well established nations in terms of ability. In spite of what the country has been through too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 12:24:13 GMT
Hold your horses it’s back on!! Just love this Afghan side, never look like they're having anything other than a good time and when you consider they played their first ODI just ten years ago, they've surpassed all but the 5-6 very well established nations in terms of ability. In spite of what the country has been through too. Pissing it down now. Hope it stops be great for Afghanistan to register a victory....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 4, 2019 12:32:53 GMT
Just love this Afghan side, never look like they're having anything other than a good time and when you consider they played their first ODI just ten years ago, they've surpassed all but the 5-6 very well established nations in terms of ability. In spite of what the country has been through too. Pissing it down now. Hope it stops be great for Afghanistan to register a victory.... Actually think a shortened game favours them more, they're 7th in the World in T20s!
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