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Post by GeneralFaye on May 19, 2019 9:50:50 GMT
I was hoping he would play a big role in turning things around for us this next couple of seasons. If they want him they can pay at least what Bournemouth have just pissed away on that bang average bristol city defender That defender who has been a regular and player for England's under 21's you mean?! Sorry, you can't compare the 2.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2019 9:52:26 GMT
I think generally the stick Jones has got about the young players is unfair, but it really is difficult to see why he played Williams instead of Collins in those last few games. Yeah. Hard to think of any argument there. But, when it comes down to it, if an offer from Man United does come in, it probably won't matter if he's played 2 games or 22 - and he'll want to go. I'd hope for loads of add-ons though. Even if the initial fee is sub-£10m, can't see why we wouldn't push for some mega clauses relating to £Xm every 50 games, title wins, international caps etc. Could easily see it getting into high-teens. And if he ticks all those boxes, Man United would still potentially get a bargain.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 19, 2019 9:55:55 GMT
I think generally the stick Jones has got about the young players is unfair, but it really is difficult to see why he played Williams instead of Collins in those last few games. Yeah. Hard to think of any argument there. But, when it comes down to it, if an offer from Man United does come in, it probably won't matter if he's played 2 games or 22 - and he'll want to go. I'd hope for loads of add-ons though. Even if the initial fee is sub-£10m, can't see why we wouldn't push for some mega clauses relating to £Xm every 50 games, title wins, international caps etc. Could easily see it getting into high-teens. And if he ticks all those boxes, Man United would still potentially get a bargain. I think that’s the crux, yeah. It doesn’t matter either way if this interest is genuine. We just have to make sure we get the best deal we can.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 19, 2019 9:56:42 GMT
I was hoping he would play a big role in turning things around for us this next couple of seasons. If they want him they can pay at least what Bournemouth have just pissed away on that bang average bristol city defender That defender who has been a regular and player for England's under 21's you mean?! Sorry, you can't compare the 2. Kelly looks alright but Collins is a few years younger and I'm sure will have achieved a lot more than Kelly has at his age. Unless we are getting a good lump sum up front we should be using Collins next season
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on May 19, 2019 10:00:30 GMT
Yeah, cheers Darren you complete and utter ****.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 19, 2019 10:02:28 GMT
Fletcher thinks he is good enough for United, but we keep being linked to other central defenders. What about letting him play FFS!
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Post by onionman on May 19, 2019 10:12:03 GMT
Disappointing that this summer our star assets only seem to be attracting attention from the likes of Bournemouth, Palace and Man Utd.
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Post by Cast no shadow on May 19, 2019 10:12:19 GMT
Darren Fletcher, he shits in his pants
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Post by tony1234 on May 19, 2019 10:14:58 GMT
a bid of 1m will come in and we'll snap their hands off and party in the boardroom. ...then spend it on Daryl Murphy.
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Post by tony1234 on May 19, 2019 10:16:45 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on May 19, 2019 10:19:07 GMT
Fletcher you utter cunt muffin.
Just promise the fucking lad plenty of game time. I'd do anything to keep him now, but if they do go in we have to rinse them for everything we can. Especially as it's Man Utd.
Fucking Fletcher steals a living from us for 2 bastard years and then does us the fuck over like this.
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Post by stokief on May 19, 2019 10:19:18 GMT
Nice way of turning a player's head by insinuating we don't value him enough to start yet he'd be a regulat at United!(think not!) THis is football and what we've got coming to us after that dismal failure of a season. Nothing really to make a young player feel we're worth staying with in this fast-track,big ego making money-mad world. Let's see how many others stick 'the ride' out with us once somebody 'blows in their ear'
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Post by macarisredarmy on May 19, 2019 10:22:18 GMT
Really hope not, Collins has looked brilliant when he has had the chance. Young ShawX in the making.
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Post by tony1234 on May 19, 2019 10:23:22 GMT
Fletcher you utter cunt muffin. Just promise the fucking lad plenty of game time. I'd do anything to keep him now, but if they do go in we have to rinse them for everything we can. Especially as it's Man Utd. Fucking Fletcher steals a living from us for 2 bastard years and then does us the fuck over like this. Don't worry. When NJ left Luton for us, they thoughtfully put in a clause to stop this sort of thing happening to them. Im sure under the astute and wise leadership of Scholes, we'd have done the same with anyone leaving for posts with Prem league clubs.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 19, 2019 10:23:53 GMT
This type of headline makes out no one will have heard of him at any top club, I guarantee he’ll be on the radar of many top flight clubs.
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Post by scfc75 on May 19, 2019 10:26:40 GMT
That’ll be Utd’s opening offer but I’m sure we’ll talk them down.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 19, 2019 10:27:25 GMT
I think generally the stick Jones has got about the young players is unfair, but it really is difficult to see why he played Williams instead of Collins in those last few games. Yeah. Hard to think of any argument there. But, when it comes down to it, if an offer from Man United does come in, it probably won't matter if he's played 2 games or 22 - and he'll want to go. I'd hope for loads of add-ons though. Even if the initial fee is sub-£10m, can't see why we wouldn't push for some mega clauses relating to £Xm every 50 games, title wins, international caps etc. Could easily see it getting into high-teens. And if he ticks all those boxes, Man United would still potentially get a bargain. I personally think we could squeeze a very good deal out here. Man United are despearate to show they have intelligent recruitment, they have a wealth if U-23 players we should look at and as you say we can shunt lots of clauses into the contract to make it financially viable for us. All for a player who isn’t reall a first team regular yet. If he is going to go, I’d rather it be now than potentially mid season where it could derail us.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 10:28:08 GMT
Fletcher you utter cunt muffin. Just promise the fucking lad plenty of game time. I'd do anything to keep him now, but if they do go in we have to rinse them for everything we can. Especially as it's Man Utd. Fucking Fletcher steals a living from us for 2 bastard years and then does us the fuck over like this. Don't worry. When NJ left Luton for us, they thoughtfully put in a clause to stop this sort of thing happening to them. Im sure under the astute and wise leadership of Scholes, we'd have done the same with anyone leaving for posts with Prem league clubs. How does that work when he's out of contract and free to go?
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 19, 2019 10:30:29 GMT
That defender who has been a regular and player for England's under 21's you mean?! Sorry, you can't compare the 2. Kelly looks alright but Collins is a few years younger and I'm sure will have achieved a lot more than Kelly has at his age. Unless we are getting a good lump sum up front we should be using Collins next season Bang average or alright?! Make your mind up pal
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Post by JoeinOz on May 19, 2019 10:31:39 GMT
How much can we get for him?
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Post by mrcoke on May 19, 2019 10:35:26 GMT
I honestly haven't seen Collins play. Is he really that good? I watched him at Boro, and whilst Boro were not a major attacking threat, he was very assured for a young man. It's to be expected that the big 6 clubs are going to "Hover up" all the young talent in the country. They can afford to hold onto all the young talent even if only 1 in 10 actually makes it into the first team regularly, and in Liverpool's case do it illegally. www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/liverpool-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stokeMan U can put him in one of their young sides where he will be playing with players of equal huge talent and can develop. It's doubtful we could give him a regular first team place in the Championship at his young age, so a loan back probably wouldn't be possible. Best not to bleat about it, but to try and get a good deal him and move on. A good deal might be a CB from United that they have finished with, who could help us to promotion. Let's be grateful that at long last we are seeing some fruit from our academy and have a manager who is prepared to ripen it by giving youngsters a chance in the first XI. If Hughes, Lambert, or Rowett were still the manager, we might never have seen the lad play.
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Post by scfc75 on May 19, 2019 10:42:04 GMT
I honestly haven't seen Collins play. Is he really that good? I watched him at Boro, and whilst Boro were not a major attacking threat, he was very assured for a young man. It's to be expected that the big 6 clubs are going to "Hover up" all the young talent in the country. They can afford to hold onto all the young talent even if only 1 in 10 actually makes it into the first team regularly, and in Liverpool's case do it illegally. www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/liverpool-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stokeMan U can put him in one of their young sides where he will be playing with players of equal huge talent and can develop. It's doubtful we could give him a regular first team place in the Championship at his young age, so a loan back probably wouldn't be possible. Best not to bleat about it, but to try and get a good deal him and move on. A good deal might be a CB from United that they have finished with, who could help us to promotion. Let's be grateful that at long last we are seeing some fruit from our academy and have a manager who is prepared to ripen it by giving youngsters a chance in the first XI. If Hughes, Lambert, or Rowett were still the manager, we might never have seen the lad play. I’m not sure about this, Ryan was a teenager when he started the season in 2007, albeit a bit older than Collins is now. I can’t see why he couldn’t get a bench spot / start when the main pairing are injured or banned. Realistically he could get 20 odd games in? Regardless though I suspect that if a bid comes in, it will more be a case of how much we can get rather than if he leaves.
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Post by retrostoke on May 19, 2019 10:42:07 GMT
Don’t come on here Supacoopa talking common sense and being pragmatic. You’ll spoil the mood
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Post by tony1234 on May 19, 2019 10:42:09 GMT
Don't worry. When NJ left Luton for us, they thoughtfully put in a clause to stop this sort of thing happening to them. Im sure under the astute and wise leadership of Scholes, we'd have done the same with anyone leaving for posts with Prem league clubs. How does that work when he's out of contract and free to go? You've found a chink in my subtle plan!
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Post by sportsman on May 19, 2019 10:46:40 GMT
If he was at ajax they'd know they have to start the bidding at 30m. At stoke, 30 quid because they know we can't and haven't ever sold a player for a price.
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Post by luke2u on May 19, 2019 10:51:15 GMT
If we let Collins go to Man Utd and Akandji go to Chelsea and not dare to use them in our 1st team, then we know where in trouble. Players like this is our future and the way back to the PL.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 19, 2019 10:51:36 GMT
I think generally the stick Jones has got about the young players is unfair, but it really is difficult to see why he played Williams instead of Collins in those last few games. It really isnt that difficult to see why he did that.
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Post by toppercorner on May 19, 2019 10:54:02 GMT
20m up front / one instalment +5m plays 50 champions league games +2m captains ManU at any point +2m 200 1st team appearances +1m scores 20+ goals 25% sell on
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 19, 2019 10:59:55 GMT
I think generally the stick Jones has got about the young players is unfair, but it really is difficult to see why he played Williams instead of Collins in those last few games. It really isnt that difficult to see why he did that. Are you suggesting he wrapped him in cotton wool knowing of Man Utd's interest?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 19, 2019 11:11:03 GMT
20m up front / one instalment +5m plays 50 champions league games +2m captains ManU at any point +2m 200 1st team appearances +1m scores 20+ goals 25% sell on Don't forget international appearances, cuz you can guarantee he'll be called up for the 1st team squad the day he steps one foot through the door at Old Trafford!!!
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