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Post by boskampsflaps on May 11, 2019 15:22:27 GMT
So you would have rather not signed Shaq and let N'Zonzi go on a free? And we already knew Hughes fucked up on the players he signed or do you also think someone above the manager should be meddling with the players that get signed.? Who fucked up signing players when we had no manager in place ? Which players did we sign with no manager, Bauer who was a Hughes signing (already said since by his "team") Ndiaye who actually did well for us or Etebo who looks to be developing into a pretty good player for us?
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Post by crapslinger on May 11, 2019 15:28:59 GMT
Robert Huth, Glen Whelan, Begovic , Arnie, Zonz (still has twelve months of his contract to run), Shaq fucking joke clause allowed to be inserted in his contract by the club. If that clause wasn't in his contract it was very likely he wouldn't have signed, and you're clutching at straws if you think we under sold Whelan, the problem wasn't the fee or that he left it was the lack of replacement, as you say N'Zonzi was in his last year of contract so sell him or get nothing for him when he leaves, we didn't have a leg to stand on. Interesting that you mention Bego, what did you think he was worth at the time and what was his contract situation? £1m for Glen Whelan , so we let Shaq dictate his own transfer fee , selling Zonz for what we did we may as well have kept him, Bego was worth double what we sold him for he was at the time one of the best keepers in the Prem. Our transfer team then compounded the situation by replacing them with shit expect maybe the Grant situation who we then under sold to Man Utd.
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Post by crapslinger on May 11, 2019 15:33:40 GMT
Who fucked up signing players when we had no manager in place ? Which players did we sign with no manager, Bauer who was a Hughes signing (already said since by his "team") Ndiaye who actually did well for us or Etebo who looks to be developing into a pretty good player for us? Bauer who also had his contract extended with no manager in place ?, Badou who refuses to play for us because we got relegated yeh those signings, it also looks likely that Vokes will be falling into that category as well, now how many have been signed over the incumbent managers head ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 11, 2019 15:42:09 GMT
If that clause wasn't in his contract it was very likely he wouldn't have signed, and you're clutching at straws if you think we under sold Whelan, the problem wasn't the fee or that he left it was the lack of replacement, as you say N'Zonzi was in his last year of contract so sell him or get nothing for him when he leaves, we didn't have a leg to stand on. Interesting that you mention Bego, what did you think he was worth at the time and what was his contract situation? £1m for Glen Whelan , so we let Shaq dictate his own transfer fee , selling Zonz for what we did we may as well have kept him, Bego was worth double what we sold him for he was at the time one of the best keepers in the Prem. Our transfer team then compounded the situation by replacing them with shit expect maybe the Grant situation who we then under sold to Man Utd. No we let Shaq decide what it would take for him to sign for us (loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool) Grant was going as first choice do you really think they'd have paid much more if any for a third choice keeper, bloody hell I can just imagine the shit if we'd have let N'Zonzi go for free the crying over Bojan would have been nothing in comparison. Bego was another in his last year of his contract, even if you think he was worth 20mil (snigger) we both know players value when in their last year plummet. The selling of said players was fine and the fees for the most part were fair too if they were replaced adequately they'd never get another mention.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 11, 2019 18:16:21 GMT
Don’t be daft we all know that we failed the renew the shaq and nzonzi contracts at the optimum time trying to be cute , to sell Arnie to a relegation rival who then kept them up was even worse . our commercial execution is utterly indefensible on Any level , from any aspect , net £190m spend to lose £100m annnual revenue deplorable , indefensible and diabolical management by any measure . So N'Zonzi didn't want to leave nearly every season he was here, was that just made up every summer, no he didn't want to sign one, Arnie likewise didn't want to be here, we got fucked over by himself and his agent it was a difficult situation to be in and we got pretty much what he was worth imo, like I say there's an argument there that it wasn't enough but to me it was fine. Shaq, I have no idea on, if he wanted to sign a new contract or not, do you think Arnie leaving would have led him to signing a new one? If you think 43m for those three And £55m for Berahino , Wimmer and Imbula is good business fair enough I think it’s both avoidable and appalling executive management
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 11, 2019 18:22:17 GMT
They both need to go. Simple as in my opinion, we need a fresh approach and new ideas. I agree with tony that we wont progress with either cartwright or scholes at the club. Then you are effectively saying the board should go! Scholes is a board member and the board does not have a habit of sacking each other... Actually scholes is entrusted by the board to implement their strategy as chief executive , chief executives are removed on a regular basis by boards of directors , even if they sit on the board ,private equity houses regularly change the chief executive as a result of less than anticipated or poor performance or to signal a change of direction,chief executives often last 5 years or less given the Need to stay fresh and to provide fresh energy , ideas etc to continue or change momentum etc .
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Post by Davef on May 11, 2019 18:24:14 GMT
Who have we under sold? Arnie maybe there's an argument there, N'Zonzi, not really, he was coming to the end of his contract and there wasn't a queue waiting for him we were very much at Sevilla's mercy on that one and with Shaq we had no other choice, either sign him with the clause or don't sign him at all. Robert Huth, Glen Whelan, Begovic , Arnie, Zonz (still has twelve months of his contract to run), Shaq fucking joke clause allowed to be inserted in his contract by the club. And you reckon Shaqiri would've signed for us without it do you?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 11, 2019 18:33:20 GMT
So N'Zonzi didn't want to leave nearly every season he was here, was that just made up every summer, no he didn't want to sign one, Arnie likewise didn't want to be here, we got fucked over by himself and his agent it was a difficult situation to be in and we got pretty much what he was worth imo, like I say there's an argument there that it wasn't enough but to me it was fine. Shaq, I have no idea on, if he wanted to sign a new contract or not, do you think Arnie leaving would have led him to signing a new one? If you think 43m for those three And £55m for Berahino , Wimmer and Imbula is good business fair enough I think it’s both avoidable and appalling executive management I think its unfortunate but I'd have rather signed Shaq with the clause in his contract than not and get some money for N'Zonzi than see him leave on a free. Why you're bringing up Bera etc when this was about players we've undersold I don't know, but no I don't think its good business and guess what Hughes got sacked because of it, he wanted the players so they were bought for him, he would have been consulted re the price and if they fit the budget etc he clearly thought they were worth it and he was so wrong we're going to be paying for it for years to come.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 11, 2019 18:40:22 GMT
If you think 43m for those three And £55m for Berahino , Wimmer and Imbula is good business fair enough I think it’s both avoidable and appalling executive management I think its unfortunate but I'd have rather signed Shaq with the clause in his contract than not and get some money for N'Zonzi than see him leave on a free. Why you're bringing up Bera etc when this was about players we've undersold I don't know, but no I don't think its good business and guess what Hughes got sacked because of it, he wanted the players so they were bought for him, he would have been consulted re the price and if they fit the budget etc he clearly thought they were worth it and he was so wrong we're going to be paying for it for years to come. Please not the it’s all Mark hughes fault , he’s been gone 18 months , we’ve appojnted three managers since two of whom failed , we’ve paid for Derby’s manager in the process whose got them to the play offs and spent £50m getting to 16th in the championship , falling miles behind teams assembled for 1/10th of that absolutely bugger all to do with scapegoat hughes
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 11, 2019 19:11:24 GMT
I think its unfortunate but I'd have rather signed Shaq with the clause in his contract than not and get some money for N'Zonzi than see him leave on a free. Why you're bringing up Bera etc when this was about players we've undersold I don't know, but no I don't think its good business and guess what Hughes got sacked because of it, he wanted the players so they were bought for him, he would have been consulted re the price and if they fit the budget etc he clearly thought they were worth it and he was so wrong we're going to be paying for it for years to come. Please not the it’s all Mark hughes fault , he’s been gone 18 months , we’ve appojnted three managers since two of whom failed , we’ve paid for Derby’s manager in the process whose got them to the play offs and spent £50m getting to 16th in the championship , falling miles behind teams assembled for 1/10th of that absolutely bugger all to do with scapegoat hughes Did we sign the players you mention under Hughes or not?? Do your goal posts ever stop moving, you went from under selling players to Wimmer, Bera and Imbula and now to try and dismiss my reply you've moved them again to other managers, so I'll try again. Yes Rowett was also crap, he was backed, got the players he wanted and managed to build one of the worst squads in the league, no its not all Hughes fault but the players YOU mentioned were and he started the rot, unfortunately Rowett wasn't competent enough to at least stop it and begin to build again he just added to it. I won't bash Lambert, he did his best with what he had, if he had a bit more luck Adam not being Adam and Butland remembering how to catch a ball he may well have scraped keeping us up.
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Post by loosestools on May 11, 2019 19:30:03 GMT
I think its unfortunate but I'd have rather signed Shaq with the clause in his contract than not and get some money for N'Zonzi than see him leave on a free. Why you're bringing up Bera etc when this was about players we've undersold I don't know, but no I don't think its good business and guess what Hughes got sacked because of it, he wanted the players so they were bought for him, he would have been consulted re the price and if they fit the budget etc he clearly thought they were worth it and he was so wrong we're going to be paying for it for years to come. Please not the it’s all Mark hughes fault , he’s been gone 18 months , we’ve appojnted three managers since two of whom failed , we’ve paid for Derby’s manager in the process whose got them to the play offs and spent £50m getting to 16th in the championship , falling miles behind teams assembled for 1/10th of that absolutely bugger all to do with scapegoat hughes Yes it is Benji, Hughes was the fly that laid the egg that turned into the maggot that eat the fruit and the whole lot started the rot. If that had not happened then we would not be in this situation.
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Post by werrington on May 11, 2019 19:48:46 GMT
If that clause wasn't in his contract it was very likely he wouldn't have signed, and you're clutching at straws if you think we under sold Whelan, the problem wasn't the fee or that he left it was the lack of replacement, as you say N'Zonzi was in his last year of contract so sell him or get nothing for him when he leaves, we didn't have a leg to stand on. Interesting that you mention Bego, what did you think he was worth at the time and what was his contract situation? £1m for Glen Whelan , so we let Shaq dictate his own transfer fee , selling Zonz for what we did we may as well have kept him, Bego was worth double what we sold him for he was at the time one of the best keepers in the Prem. Our transfer team then compounded the situation by replacing them with shit expect maybe the Grant situation who we then under sold to Man Utd. I’m embarrassed reading that What was it like to post it?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 18:01:16 GMT
Then you are effectively saying the board should go! Scholes is a board member and the board does not have a habit of sacking each other... Actually scholes is entrusted by the board to implement their strategy as chief executive , chief executives are removed on a regular basis by boards of directors , even if they sit on the board ,private equity houses regularly change the chief executive as a result of less than anticipated or poor performance or to signal a change of direction,chief executives often last 5 years or less given the Need to stay fresh and to provide fresh energy , ideas etc to continue or change momentum etc . But we're not talking standard practice. We're talking SCFC...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 12:55:40 GMT
I'm not on Instagram - but some Fenerbahce fans are getting excited(?) because Benik Afobe (or someone they believe to be Afobe) has started following Fenerbahce's account on there?
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Jun 11, 2019 12:57:41 GMT
No worries here - would only be a few packets of crisps a week as a loan fee, based on the current Turkish transfer system
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:04:48 GMT
I'm not on Instagram - but some Fenerbahce fans are getting excited(?) because Benik Afobe (or someone they believe to be Afobe) has started following Fenerbahce's account on there? You’d imagine it’d be another shit loan deal...
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 11, 2019 13:13:21 GMT
Fingers crossed, he's as much use as a chocolate teapot for us.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jun 11, 2019 13:15:07 GMT
I'm not on Instagram - but some Fenerbahce fans are getting excited(?) because Benik Afobe (or someone they believe to be Afobe) has started following Fenerbahce's account on there? Pretty sure this is a fake account. Doesn't even seem to have an Instagram account. Plus, I don't imagine he'd be announcing a move before anything official was released.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 11, 2019 13:15:29 GMT
With Berahino on the verge of the sack, diouf out of the picture & afobe off on loan?
Who is coming in then?
Gregory Vokes Campbell
Gayle? Adams?
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 11, 2019 13:16:42 GMT
It’s really not a transfer window these days unless Turkish clubs are constantly linked with our players in the smallest and most unconvincing way.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 11, 2019 13:16:57 GMT
I'm not on Instagram - but some Fenerbahce fans are getting excited(?) because Benik Afobe (or someone they believe to be Afobe) has started following Fenerbahce's account on there? It’s a fake account
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 11, 2019 13:34:45 GMT
Fingers crossed, he's as much use as a chocolate teapot for us. Exactly, he's one of the first I want out of the door
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Post by kustokie on Jun 11, 2019 13:54:20 GMT
Then you are effectively saying the board should go! Scholes is a board member and the board does not have a habit of sacking each other... Actually scholes is entrusted by the board to implement their strategy as chief executive , chief executives are removed on a regular basis by boards of directors , even if they sit on the board ,private equity houses regularly change the chief executive as a result of less than anticipated or poor performance or to signal a change of direction,chief executives often last 5 years or less given the Need to stay fresh and to provide fresh energy , ideas etc to continue or change momentum etc . While I agree with the your basic concept of “performance no excuses”, your analogy is apples and oranges. CEOs and money managers are rewarded with bonuses based on financial returns and replaced for repeated below average performance because they are accountable to the investors who can withdraw their money take it elsewhere. Scholes and Cartwright are only accountable to the board and the owners. The supporters have no financial skin in the game and therefore no real clout. They can only vote with their feet - empty stands don’t look good on television but if we’re not in the Premier League it doesn't much matter. All that said, it is time for a change of upper management.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jun 11, 2019 14:28:53 GMT
Turkish Football, Instagram & loan signings
Comedy gold!
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 11, 2019 15:11:54 GMT
Actually scholes is entrusted by the board to implement their strategy as chief executive , chief executives are removed on a regular basis by boards of directors , even if they sit on the board ,private equity houses regularly change the chief executive as a result of less than anticipated or poor performance or to signal a change of direction,chief executives often last 5 years or less given the Need to stay fresh and to provide fresh energy , ideas etc to continue or change momentum etc . While I agree with the your basic concept of “performance no excuses”, your analogy is apples and oranges. CEOs and money managers are rewarded with bonuses based on financial returns and replaced for repeated below average performance because they are accountable to the investors who can withdraw their money take it elsewhere. Scholes and Cartwright are only accountable to the board and the owners. The supporters have no financial skin in the game and therefore no real clout. They can only vote with their feet - empty stands don’t look good on television but if we’re not in the Premier League it doesn't much matter. All that said, it is time for a change of upper management. Time for a change of upper management ? With respect ----No shit sherlock ? Is the blindingly obvious finally dawning on a few more people?
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 11, 2019 15:55:46 GMT
Only Benik Afobe could conduct his transfer business in the same way he leads the line: Reluctant to move...
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Post by robstokie on Jun 11, 2019 17:43:06 GMT
Only Benik Afobe could conduct his transfer business in the same way he leads the line: Reluctant to move... Or about as good at finding the exit door at CW as he is finding the goal on a Saturday afternoon
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 11, 2019 17:46:38 GMT
I'm not on Instagram - but some Fenerbahce fans are getting excited(?) because Benik Afobe (or someone they believe to be Afobe) has started following Fenerbahce's account on there? Your life hits a new low point. ???
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 17:50:33 GMT
I'm not on Instagram - but some Fenerbahce fans are getting excited(?) because Benik Afobe (or someone they believe to be Afobe) has started following Fenerbahce's account on there? Your life hits a new low point. ??? Haha! The Turks are absolutely loving the link (although they're not sure who he is)
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 11, 2019 21:29:01 GMT
Turkish Football, Instagram & loan signings Comedy gold! It's the modern day version of "my mate heard down the pub from somebody's brother".
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