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Post by StokeTudoGuy on May 21, 2019 21:00:32 GMT
Me too and I think that is dangerous. Federici is massively dodgy. As for who, no idea tbh. But putting your eggs into a League One shaped basked seems risky. You sign a L1 manager you get L1 players it is what he knows, he has proved he struggles with higher quality so resorting to what he knows, I ca see this going tits up very early next season. Based on being directly liked with one imminent league one signing. Ignoring two linked championship incoming's and the players already brought in... Something is fishy with your logic.
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Post by danceswithclams on May 21, 2019 21:03:56 GMT
There isn't a queue for good keepers to sit on the bench anywhere! You're doing quite well if you get someone who's merely "dodgy" as your back-up at this level. We've been well and truly spoilt. We have I guess but to go into next season with a League One goalie as the #1 with someone as bad as Federici behind him is completely negligent imo. You don't half talk some shite owd.
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Post by scfc75 on May 21, 2019 21:04:49 GMT
Me too and I think that is dangerous. Federici is massively dodgy. As for who, no idea tbh. But putting your eggs into a League One shaped basked seems risky. You sign a L1 manager you get L1 players it is what he knows, he has proved he struggles with higher quality so resorting to what he knows, I ca see this going tits up very early next season. Assume that Potter will fill his Brighton squad with Allsvenskan and Championship players then? It’s what he knows...
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Post by scfc75 on May 21, 2019 21:05:31 GMT
You sign a L1 manager you get L1 players it is what he knows, he has proved he struggles with higher quality so resorting to what he knows, I ca see this going tits up very early next season. Based on being directly liked with one imminent league one signing. Ignoring two linked championship incoming's and the players already brought in... Something is fishy with your logic. Not fishy. Just wank.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on May 21, 2019 21:06:18 GMT
You really don't like anything about Stoke City do you? Either that or you live to play devil's advocate. I love the club. But it’s true isn’t it? There isn’t actually much evidence to back it up. Only about 12 years of being arguably the most constant and well respected face in our training staff.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2019 21:09:41 GMT
This is what confuses me with the likes of Vokes and Batth, there’s not a chance they’re his signings he’d never be in for this calibre of player and would have never contemplated them in his future plans. Why? It's clear all the signings last summer were 100% Rowett's - and the most egregious of the Hughes signings were pet signings - Berahino, Wimmer... He played with 2 old-fashioned centre-backs at Luton and a big target man. I think all the evidence points to them being signings he's completely happy with even if they weren't names he conjured up initially. I'm sure later in the summer we'll see names that he' come up with like Justin. Ultimately he has the final say. Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that.
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Post by lordb on May 21, 2019 21:11:04 GMT
Why? It's clear all the signings last summer were 100% Rowett's - and the most egregious of the Hughes signings were pet signings - Berahino, Wimmer... He played with 2 old-fashioned centre-backs at Luton and a big target man. I think all the evidence points to them being signings he's completely happy with even if they weren't names he conjured up initially. I'm sure later in the summer we'll see names that he' come up with like Justin. Ultimately he has the final say. Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. Were they? Genuinely missed that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 21, 2019 21:11:09 GMT
Why? It's clear all the signings last summer were 100% Rowett's - and the most egregious of the Hughes signings were pet signings - Berahino, Wimmer... He played with 2 old-fashioned centre-backs at Luton and a big target man. I think all the evidence points to them being signings he's completely happy with even if they weren't names he conjured up initially. I'm sure later in the summer we'll see names that he' come up with like Justin. Ultimately he has the final say. Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. So are you saying these signings have been forced on him and that he doesn’t really want them? A yes or no will be fine.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 21, 2019 21:12:17 GMT
Me too and I think that is dangerous. Federici is massively dodgy. As for who, no idea tbh. But putting your eggs into a League One shaped basked seems risky. You sign a L1 manager you get L1 players it is what he knows, he has proved he struggles with higher quality so resorting to what he knows, I ca see this going tits up very early next season. There are so many flaws in that logic it’s unbelievable. Clearly not a footballing person are you.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 21:17:39 GMT
Why? It's clear all the signings last summer were 100% Rowett's - and the most egregious of the Hughes signings were pet signings - Berahino, Wimmer... He played with 2 old-fashioned centre-backs at Luton and a big target man. I think all the evidence points to them being signings he's completely happy with even if they weren't names he conjured up initially. I'm sure later in the summer we'll see names that he' come up with like Justin. Ultimately he has the final say. Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. Irrelevant. He decides if they're the ones he wants. The possibilities come from a number of places - ones that the manager has in his head from previous clubs, ones that he's individually identified and ones that the scouting department has identified based on the criteria the manager outlines for a certain position Rowett went for Clucas and McClean the season previous at Derby, had worked with Ince before and his first-team coach thought Afobe was Thierry Henry. In the end, manager has 100% autonomy to go the way he wants as this demonstrates. Cartwright doesn't sit there with a gun to his head. Obviously Batth and Vokes were ones that were on the club shortlist and were ones we'd decided ticked boxes previously - the local paper even highlighted that and it wasn't exactly made a secret of. But Jones wanted a.) an old-fashioned defender and .) a big target man - both of good character. Jones weighed up the options and plumped for these 2 having been here for a week and needing reinforcements This summer we'll obviously go for targets some of which he identifies completely off his own bat, just like Rowett did, like James Justin or other Luton players Then in the end he'll decide which way to go when weighed against others. Jones couldn't have been more clear about how it works. There's no big conspiracy. Unfortunately in the past, we've made some absolute howlers.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2019 21:22:53 GMT
You sign a L1 manager you get L1 players it is what he knows, he has proved he struggles with higher quality so resorting to what he knows, I ca see this going tits up very early next season. There are so many flaws in that logic it’s unbelievable. Clearly not a footballing person are you.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 21, 2019 21:27:25 GMT
There are so many flaws in that logic it’s unbelievable. Clearly not a footballing person are you. Let’s be honest, you aren’t
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 21, 2019 21:30:06 GMT
Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. Irrelevant. He decides if they're the ones he wants. The possibilities come from a number of places - ones that the manager has in his head from previous clubs, ones that he's individually identified and ones that the scouting department has identified based on the criteria the manager outlines for a certain position Rowett went for Clucas and McClean the season previous at Derby, had worked with Ince before and his first-team coach thought Afobe was Thierry Henry. In the end, manager has 100% autonomy to go the way he wants as this demonstrates. Cartwright doesn't sit there with a gun to his head. Obviously Batth and Vokes were ones that were on the club shortlist and were ones we'd decided ticked boxes previously - the local paper even highlighted that and it wasn't exactly made a secret of. But Jones wanted a.) an old-fashioned defender and .) a big target man - both of good character. Jones weighed up the options and plumped for these 2 having been here for a week and needing reinforcements This summer we'll obviously go for targets some of which he identifies completely off his own bat, just like Rowett did, like James Justin or other Luton players Then in the end he'll decide which way to go when weighed against others. Jones couldn't have been more clear about how it works. There's no big conspiracy. Unfortunately in the past, we've made some absolute howlers. WHAT? You are kidding me right? No conspiracy? That won't go down well on here with some.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 21, 2019 21:32:44 GMT
Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. Were they? Genuinely missed that. They may well have been mentioned somewhere but I don't remember them being 'linked' either mate.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2019 21:33:50 GMT
Let’s be honest, you aren’t
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2019 21:40:21 GMT
Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. Irrelevant. He decides if they're the ones he wants. The possibilities come from a number of places - ones that the manager has in his head from previous clubs, ones that he's individually identified and ones that the scouting department has identified based on the criteria the manager outlines for a certain position Rowett went for Clucas and McClean the season previous at Derby, had worked with Ince before and his first-team coach thought Afobe was Thierry Henry. In the end, manager has 100% autonomy to go the way he wants as this demonstrates. Cartwright doesn't sit there with a gun to his head. Obviously Batth and Vokes were ones that were on the club shortlist and were ones we'd decided ticked boxes previously - the local paper even highlighted that and it wasn't exactly made a secret of. But Jones wanted a.) an old-fashioned defender and .) a big target man - both of good character. Jones weighed up the options and plumped for these 2 having been here for a week and needing reinforcements This summer we'll obviously go for targets some of which he identifies completely off his own bat, just like Rowett did, like James Justin or other Luton players Then in the end he'll decide which way to go when weighed against others. Jones couldn't have been more clear about how it works. There's no big conspiracy. Unfortunately in the past, we've made some absolute howlers. Yes of course he did, all our managers since Scholes and Carthorse were employed including Pulis have had the final say on signings, or at least that is what it say's on their compromise deals.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 21:41:38 GMT
Irrelevant. He decides if they're the ones he wants. The possibilities come from a number of places - ones that the manager has in his head from previous clubs, ones that he's individually identified and ones that the scouting department has identified based on the criteria the manager outlines for a certain position Rowett went for Clucas and McClean the season previous at Derby, had worked with Ince before and his first-team coach thought Afobe was Thierry Henry. In the end, manager has 100% autonomy to go the way he wants as this demonstrates. Cartwright doesn't sit there with a gun to his head. Obviously Batth and Vokes were ones that were on the club shortlist and were ones we'd decided ticked boxes previously - the local paper even highlighted that and it wasn't exactly made a secret of. But Jones wanted a.) an old-fashioned defender and .) a big target man - both of good character. Jones weighed up the options and plumped for these 2 having been here for a week and needing reinforcements This summer we'll obviously go for targets some of which he identifies completely off his own bat, just like Rowett did, like James Justin or other Luton players Then in the end he'll decide which way to go when weighed against others. Jones couldn't have been more clear about how it works. There's no big conspiracy. Unfortunately in the past, we've made some absolute howlers. Yes of course he did, all our managers since Scholes and Carthorse were employed including Pulis have had the final say on signings, or at least that is what it say's on their compromise deals. Which one of last summer's Rowett signings (Etebo excluded) can you make any kind of case for not being 100% obvious Rowett deals?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 21:44:46 GMT
We have I guess but to go into next season with a League One goalie as the #1 with someone as bad as Federici behind him is completely negligent imo. You don't half talk some shite owd. It’s not though is it. This Davies lad has had one really good season and before that it seems he was hit and miss. It seems a massive gamble to be relying on that calibre of player without sufficient back up. Federici isn’t that.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 21, 2019 21:46:31 GMT
Yes of course he did, all our managers since Scholes and Carthorse were employed including Pulis have had the final say on signings, or at least that is what it say's on their compromise deals. Which one of last summer's Rowett signings (Etebo excluded) can you make any kind of case for not being 100% obvious Rowett deals? In fact hadn't the Chuckle brothers got Gayle all tied up on a deal and Rowett demanded Adobe?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 21:47:19 GMT
Must just be a coincidence that both were linked to us last summer, strange that. So are you saying these signings have been forced on him and that he doesn’t really want them? A yes or no will be fine. They do seem to fly in the face of what he says he wants in a player. As do Vokes and Batth.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 21:49:21 GMT
Which one of last summer's Rowett signings (Etebo excluded) can you make any kind of case for not being 100% obvious Rowett deals? In fact hadn't the Chuckle brothers got Gayle all tied up on a deal and Rowett demanded Adobe? Yep - according to a former club director. We can thank Phillips and Rowett for that stroke of genius! Maybe we should keep these decisions out of the hands of the manager and give the Pizzas more discretion
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 21:49:47 GMT
I love the club. But it’s true isn’t it? There isn’t actually much evidence to back it up. Only about 12 years of being arguably the most constant and well respected face in our training staff. And how many coaches stay at one club that long? Seems a recipe for getting stale. The evidence isn’t there though. We haven’t developed a keeper from the academy up. We haven’t made Bego or Butland better. About the only turnaround is Grant.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on May 21, 2019 21:50:46 GMT
You don't half talk some shite owd. It’s not though is it. This Davies lad has had one really good season and before that it seems he was hit and miss. It seems a massive gamble to be relying on that calibre of player without sufficient back up. Federici isn’t that. Amongst all the shit over the past two years the on e constant has been Andy Quey is shit hot. Now we think his judgement is impaired? I hope you are wrong
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 21:51:29 GMT
In fact hadn't the Chuckle brothers got Gayle all tied up on a deal and Rowett demanded Adobe? Yep - according to a former club director. We can thank Phillips and Rowett for that stroke of genius! Maybe we should keep these decisions out of the hands of the manager and give the Pizzas more discretion Gayle wouldn’t have worked under Rowett would he? He’s not a lone striker. Again the issue really is tactics. And who’s the former director?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 21:52:45 GMT
It’s not though is it. This Davies lad has had one really good season and before that it seems he was hit and miss. It seems a massive gamble to be relying on that calibre of player without sufficient back up. Federici isn’t that. Amongst all the shit over the past two years the on e constant has been Andy Quey is shit hot. Now we think his judgement is impaired? I hope you are wrong I just want to know where the evidence is for it. It’s a line we all know but there doesn’t appear to be much to actually back it up?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 21, 2019 21:53:50 GMT
So are you saying these signings have been forced on him and that he doesn’t really want them? A yes or no will be fine. They do seem to fly in the face of what he says he wants in a player. As do Vokes and Batth. I don’t think that’s true though is it? He never said he was exclusively going to sign young players. At Luton he looked to strike a balance between the two. Vokes is the focal point he said he wanted. Gregory has energy and work rate and will lead the press. If we sign a 34 year old left back I’ll raise an eyebrow but I don’t really see the problem. Just because he might not have identified them personally in all cases doesn’t mean he hasn’t signed off on them or doesn’t want them. The evidence that the manager gets the final say is overwhelming, as the amount of Rowett shite clogging up the squad underlines.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 21:54:43 GMT
Yep - according to a former club director. We can thank Phillips and Rowett for that stroke of genius! Maybe we should keep these decisions out of the hands of the manager and give the Pizzas more discretion Gayle wouldn’t have worked under Rowett would he? He’s not a lone striker. Again the issue really is tactics. And who’s the former director? David Edwards - on the board for most of the 90s alongside Coates, so don't need 3 guesses to work out where he'd have got the info from
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 21:56:02 GMT
In fact hadn't the Chuckle brothers got Gayle all tied up on a deal and Rowett demanded Adobe? Yep - according to a former club director. We can thank Phillips and Rowett for that stroke of genius! Maybe we should keep these decisions out of the hands of the manager and give the Pizzas more discretion I thought Gayle was always heading for WBA given Rondom was heading in the opposite direction
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 21, 2019 21:56:45 GMT
Yep - according to a former club director. We can thank Phillips and Rowett for that stroke of genius! Maybe we should keep these decisions out of the hands of the manager and give the Pizzas more discretion I thought Gayle was always heading for WBA given Rondom was heading in the opposite direction Either way, Afobe was clearly a Rowett/Phillips choice wasn’t he?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 21, 2019 21:58:40 GMT
Yep - according to a former club director. We can thank Phillips and Rowett for that stroke of genius! Maybe we should keep these decisions out of the hands of the manager and give the Pizzas more discretion I thought Gayle was always heading for WBA given Rondom was heading in the opposite direction Nope. My understanding is Rowett was offered him all wrapped up with a little bow on top and chose Adobe instead.
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