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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 5, 2019 10:15:34 GMT
I can see your reasoning, thing is for me if we sell butland to Bournemouth for 15m+ plus begovic (who imo is currently an £8/10m player), that may offset his wage instead of paying a large transfer fee outright. I think the butland money will be reinvested straight back in to a proven top level keeper myself Well, it's possible. Who knows? The Randolph link certainly would indicate that - but we don't know if there's anything at all in that. I just can't imagine for a second that Davies would have settled on this move unless he was pretty much convinced he's be at least starting out as No.1. It'd potentially be career suicide Randolph, for one, wouldn't be coming in as anything but undisputed No.1 either - and Begovic certainly wouldn't. Again, I know where you're coming from but if they think they're good enough and are told form alone keeps their place, me personally. I wont be surprised at all. Not many players can demand a starting spot. If begovic isn't in their plans he needs a move and he will fancy his chances. I get the feeling Davies is looking at the bigger picture as in Top gk coach, bigger club, better wage, to take the next rung well it's there and to try and force his way in. Good players want the competition
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 5, 2019 11:05:32 GMT
Exactly...we may well get another 'keeper in if and when Jack goes, but I'd be surprised if it was to usurp Davies. And then Federici goes to third choice? A strange one really, and I thought Bursik was highly rated. Is he really worse than Haugaard as a number 3. This is what I was disputing...
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 5, 2019 12:51:24 GMT
Exactly...we may well get another 'keeper in if and when Jack goes, but I'd be surprised if it was to usurp Davies. And then Federici goes to third choice? A strange one really, and I thought Bursik was highly rated. Is he really worse than Haugaard as a number 3. This is what I was disputing... Why would you be surprised? sell a recognised England keeper we value at £25m and replace him with Davies who is stepping up a level, Federici as #2 (played hardly any football) or similar and bursik? I'd say that's surprising, I think people are forgetting we're a decent sized club these days
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 5, 2019 13:00:56 GMT
Not even 2 seasons ago stoke and davies were 2 leagues apart, now we're saying davies wouldn't come to stoke as 1 of 2? Really?
Equally, stoke doing the same when we need to get promotion? Are we going to throw all our eggs in the davies #1) basket?
Incredibly naive if we did imo.
Maybe I just value the GK position too highly 🤔
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 5, 2019 13:06:30 GMT
A decent sized club these days? An interesting argument with no context. We need the money from a Butland sale to finance our other forays into the transfer market. We may well buy another 'keeper, as I've said, but why wouldn't Davies step up as our number 1? All of our signings so far have effectively, in one way or another, stepped up a level. A season ago we were a Premiership team, so even a Championship player (Cousins, Gregory and Powell) would see us as a step up, but I think we need to manage our expectations. If Bego (or a similar more high profile, experienced 'keeper) comes in as number 1 and Federici goes to number 3, then yes, I would be surprised. And I think that would be the majority view, but it's not a competition, just a forum for sharing opinions.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 5, 2019 13:23:53 GMT
A decent sized club these days? An interesting argument with no context. We need the money from a Butland sale to finance our other forays into the transfer market. We may well buy another 'keeper, as I've said, but why wouldn't Davies step up as our number 1? All of our signings so far have effectively, in one way or another, stepped up a level. A season ago we were a Premiership team, so even a Championship player (Cousins, Gregory and Powell) would see us as a step up, but I think we need to manage our expectations. If Bego (or a similar more high profile, experienced 'keeper) comes in as number 1 and Federici goes to number 3, then yes, I would be surprised. And I think that would be the majority view, but it's not a competition, just a forum for sharing opinions. Of course it's not a competition it just seems to me the standard thing a club in our position would do. This interests me as I'd be genuinely baffled if we didn't sign a proven top level keeper if butland left. I'm also just surprised that the majority view tends to be yours, I thought it would be common sense to replace a proven top gk with a proven top gk
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 5, 2019 14:26:06 GMT
Our transfer/signings policy so far suggests 'proven top level' to be low down on the list of our criteria. It may change with one or two marquee signings, but I somehow doubt it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2019 8:45:54 GMT
Our transfer/signings policy so far suggests 'proven top level' to be low down on the list of our criteria. It may change with one or two marquee signings, but I somehow doubt it. It suggests “proven Championship relegation battlers apart from the Barnsley lads who failed that test”. Catchy.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 6, 2019 8:55:26 GMT
If you were an outsider looking in you'd think we've given up on being a big premier league club.
Rangers and celtic fans I work with think we are in sunderland territory and are fucked for the foreseeable future. They don't know the truth, that our billionaire owners want to play fair and get ready for ffp years in advance.
Anyway, let's wait until the end of the window I suppose
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 6, 2019 12:40:42 GMT
If you were an outsider looking in you'd think we've given up on being a big premier league club. Rangers and celtic fans I work with think we are in sunderland territory and are fucked for the foreseeable future. They don't know the truth, that our billionaire owners want to play fair and get ready for ffp years in advance. Anyway, let's wait until the end of the window I suppose You can tell your work colleagues were miles away from Sunderland territory. They had an owner who wanted out so shut off the finances. We chucked 50 million at the problem last season.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 6, 2019 13:03:13 GMT
If you were an outsider looking in you'd think we've given up on being a big premier league club. Rangers and celtic fans I work with think we are in sunderland territory and are fucked for the foreseeable future. They don't know the truth, that our billionaire owners want to play fair and get ready for ffp years in advance. Anyway, let's wait until the end of the window I suppose I am inside looking out and nothing I see suggests promotion this season is very likely. The board has hit the reset button and we’re at a 3-5 year rebuilding process.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 6, 2019 13:04:51 GMT
If you were an outsider looking in you'd think we've given up on being a big premier league club. Rangers and celtic fans I work with think we are in sunderland territory and are fucked for the foreseeable future. They don't know the truth, that our billionaire owners want to play fair and get ready for ffp years in advance. Anyway, let's wait until the end of the window I suppose You can tell your work colleagues were miles away from Sunderland territory. They had an owner who wanted out so shut off the finances. We chucked 50 million at the problem last season. Chucking away 50 million is the same as spending nothing, except you’re out 50 million.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 6, 2019 13:16:35 GMT
You can tell your work colleagues were miles away from Sunderland territory. They had an owner who wanted out so shut off the finances. We chucked 50 million at the problem last season. Chucking away 50 million is the same as spending nothing, except you’re out 50 million. Yes of course it is. Doesn't show that 1 owner is trying to get back up and the other just wanted out does it.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 6, 2019 13:19:16 GMT
I agree with the distinction but if you didn't know much about stoke and their owners you'd look at those signings and think the club are in trouble.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 6, 2019 13:48:24 GMT
Our transfer/signings policy so far suggests 'proven top level' to be low down on the list of our criteria. It may change with one or two marquee signings, but I somehow doubt it. It suggests “proven Championship relegation battlers apart from the Barnsley lads who failed that test”. Catchy. Apart from the fact we already have some very decent players, it's a team game not a game for individuals. For all you know these lads could massively compliment the players already at the club that Jones wishes to keep. He's brought in hunger to add to the mix and they might surprise you ( not me) yet
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 6, 2019 16:13:22 GMT
It suggests “proven Championship relegation battlers apart from the Barnsley lads who failed that test”. Catchy. Apart from the fact we already have some very decent players, it's a team game not a game for individuals. For all you know these lads could massively compliment the players already at the club that Jones wishes to keep. He's brought in hunger to add to the mix and they might surprise you ( not me) yet The only two that will surprise me are Davies and Cousins.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2019 16:31:25 GMT
I agree with the distinction but if you didn't know much about stoke and their owners you'd look at those signings and think the club are in trouble. Why?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 6, 2019 18:06:04 GMT
I agree with the distinction but if you didn't know much about stoke and their owners you'd look at those signings and think the club are in trouble. Why? Because they've all been playing at lower end championship or league 1 level, and a lot of people would think stoke as a premier league club of ten years until last year would be trying a bit harder
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2019 18:41:29 GMT
Because they've all been playing at lower end championship or league 1 level, and a lot of people would think stoke as a premier league club of ten years until last year would be trying a bit harder Oh, or they'd realise whats really going on and we're making sure we don't mess up our finances after spending stupid money last season, its pretty obvious to everyone supporters or not that we couldn't keep spending big every season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2019 18:46:02 GMT
Any reason for him not being on the bench?
Seemed to be fit as he was warming up with Federici.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2019 18:46:48 GMT
Any reason for him not being on the bench? Seemed to be fit as he was warming up with Federici. They've realised he couldn't catch a cold???
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2019 18:48:22 GMT
Any reason for him not being on the bench? Seemed to be fit as he was warming up with Federici. They've realised he couldn't catch a cold??? Ideally you'd hope they could do that before they decide to pay him £1m-a-year!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 3, 2019 18:53:09 GMT
Any reason for him not being on the bench? Seemed to be fit as he was warming up with Federici. Unless he’s injured he’d have to be on the bench. The only other, possibly odd, reason I can come up with is that Federici has a clause to be in the matchday squad as number 2. I really think Butland staying has surprised us, hence Davies signing. If we have actually decided he’s not as good as Federici then that’s a whole different story of shit.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2019 18:58:13 GMT
They've realised he couldn't catch a cold??? Ideally you'd hope they could do that before they decide to pay him £1m-a-year! It's all about the process mate. 25 times is it?
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 3, 2019 22:33:35 GMT
Needs explaining,what is going on?
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 4, 2019 8:13:00 GMT
I'd play him next game.
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Post by conzdad on Aug 4, 2019 9:00:38 GMT
IMO and I'll probably get slated for this I'd play him v Charlton and if not defo the Wigan cup game. He will have something to prove.He didn't come here to be number 2. Jack has been making some bad mistakes and needs dropping to show him he is not guaranteed his place which hopefully make him up his game.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 4, 2019 12:56:45 GMT
IMO and I'll probably get slated for this I'd play him v Charlton and if not defo the Wigan cup game. He will have something to prove.He didn't come here to be number 2. Jack has been making some bad mistakes and needs dropping to show him he is not guaranteed his place which hopefully make him up his game. Looks like he's number 3 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 13:05:18 GMT
Is this in any way linked to the departure of Mark Cartwright?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
Is this in any way linked to the departure of Mark Cartwright? As in he championed him, and the club think he's wank?
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